New Song: "Here Comes the Shock"

[lukastjimmy]

31 minutes ago, Squashie said:

I put radio in quotes for a reason. Im well aware of how music is consumed these days. They didn’t promote it because it was for the NhL - who held exclusive rights to its release. 
A career ebs and flows. They’re not going to be huge all of the time. They’re still going to tour (when able again) and still going to make the music they want to. 

their management has no influence on the songs and we can’t - in my mind - really judge crush because the first release with them was scuttled due to covid. And I would never put a bands success on who their managers are. They are gate keepers, time managers and negotiators. 
 

I will continue to listen to this band regardless of their “Top 40” status. As I’ve said before, I will listen, absorb and judge what they release and whether it goes “viral” or number 1 for weeks makes no difference to me. 
 

at least they are still making new music and still the same 3 members they have been since 1990. Many bands aren’t.

You're clearly not getting my point., as I said, I rather them have an album like revrad (commercial flop) but i'ts a damn good album and not an intent of being a top 40 artist (foam) and i'm not just talking about here comes the shark.. i'm talking about everything that came since foam. It's not a bad album but it's bland and yeah, the production isn't helping and i'm a huge Butch Walker fan so i don't know if it's his fault. Of course i'll continue to listen to them and be at least a bit excited for their new releases but come on, we don't want them to turn into a nostalgia act since they have so much pottential. They are young and capable of something more, they have proven time and time again they're one of the bests. These days they seem to be like Aerosmith was in the 90s but even they had commercial success so idk.. 

[jengd]

I feel we go round this quite often and can see the different points of view but I put on the radio the other day to hear the young, female DJ say she was about to play a band who “unusually was evolving and keeping relevant” and played FOA, which sounded really good on the radio and amongst what she was playing.  

[Flashback]

6 hours ago, lukastjimmy said:

You're clearly not getting my point., as I said, I rather them have an album like revrad (commercial flop) but i'ts a damn good album and not an intent of being a top 40 artist (foam) and i'm not just talking about here comes the shark.. i'm talking about everything that came since foam. It's not a bad album but it's bland and yeah, the production isn't helping and i'm a huge Butch Walker fan so i don't know if it's his fault. Of course i'll continue to listen to them and be at least a bit excited for their new releases but come on, we don't want them to turn into a nostalgia act since they have so much pottential. They are young and capable of something more, they have proven time and time again they're one of the bests. These days they seem to be like Aerosmith was in the 90s but even they had commercial success so idk.. 

revrad sold nearly 1 Million copies, I wouldn‘t consider it a flop in these times, when rock musik doesn‘t sell as much as it did 20 years ago..

[Squashie]

8 hours ago, lukastjimmy said:

You're clearly not getting my point., as I said, I rather them have an album like revrad (commercial flop) but i'ts a damn good album and not an intent of being a top 40 artist (foam) and i'm not just talking about here comes the shark.. i'm talking about everything that came since foam. It's not a bad album but it's bland and yeah, the production isn't helping and i'm a huge Butch Walker fan so i don't know if it's his fault. Of course i'll continue to listen to them and be at least a bit excited for their new releases but come on, we don't want them to turn into a nostalgia act since they have so much pottential. They are young and capable of something more, they have proven time and time again they're one of the bests. These days they seem to be like Aerosmith was in the 90s but even they had commercial success so idk.. 

The band is going to make the music they want and pick the producer/mixer/ect. to fit the sound they want at this point. A 30+ year career in this business is rare.

Again, rock is not the chart topper it was in the early 2000’s. Someday rock will prevail over the masses again. 

and I’m out because all this does is make a circle argument. ✌🏻 

[Clockwise]

As far as I'm concerned, RevRad and FOAM both have one song that I feel was crafted for radio, Still Breathing and Oh Yeah, respectively. I think they're still pushed to create hits with crossover appeal, but that's no problem because they're good at it and the songs still have heart. Here Comes The Shock, on the other hand, doesn't feel like it would fit anywhere on modern radio. 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

The best comments under this song on Youtube:
I feel like this’s a Nickelodeon show theme song
The song is so bad that the band didn't even bother showing up for the video.
This sounds like an auto generated Green Day song

So true 😂 omg this song is bad.

 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Clockwise said:

As far as I'm concerned, RevRad and FOAM both have one song that I feel was crafted for radio, Still Breathing and Oh Yeah, respectively. I think they're still pushed to create hits with crossover appeal, but that's no problem because they're good at it and the songs still have heart. Here Comes The Shock, on the other hand, doesn't feel like it would fit anywhere on modern radio. 

I kinda feel like that is the merit of HCTS though. I think maybe they were tired of being pushed to create certain types of music and wanted to make something more authentic, whether it fits the radio or not. And if they have more freedom now in their contract, then they can do that, and that's just what they did.

[Little Boy Named Booze]

10 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

I kinda feel like that is the merit of HCTS though. I think maybe they were tired of being pushed to create certain types of music and wanted to make something more authentic, whether it fits the radio or not. And if they have more freedom now in their contract, then they can do that, and that's just what they did.

They can release anything they want from now on and that's great!
It would just be more great if the song were good.

[Christian's Inferno!]

RevRad was actually okay in terms of commercial success. Better than the trilogy and better than FOAMF. Any metrics in which the trilogy performed better than RevRad can be explained by the time period it was released; a period in which album sales were higher & streaming accounted for less. RevRad's streaming numbers are far better than the 3 trilogy albums, partially due to it being released in a time where streaming was more significant and partially due to the fact that the album was received better by fans. The streaming gap is only growing more over time between the two projects

Green Day are not going to get to the success of American Idiot or Dookie again. They probably won't even have another 21st Century Breakdown level commercial success again. But that doesn't mean that the albums are going to be poorly received by critics and fans. I'm optimistic that the band still has a lot of great songs and albums to release.

I don't think the performance of this one song is an indicator of where they're heading. It wasn't really promoted, it's not an album single. It's basically like the Xmas Time of the Year track of this era and we all know that track wasn't anything special either. Just something small between albums to keep some people happy.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

They can release anything they want from now on and that's great!
It would just be more great if the song were good.

I mean, you know where I stand on this. It isn't the best song they ever wrote, but it isn't trash either, and to me it is an improvement over the FOAM sound. As @Christian's Inferno! said above, I think better things are on the way from them. 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

1 minute ago, BillieMyLove said:

I mean, you know where I stand on this. It isn't the best song they ever wrote, but it isn't trash either, and to me it is an improvement over the FOAM sound. As @Christian's Inferno! said above, I think better things are on the way from them. 

Oh I think it's trash 😂 I'm talking for me tho. FOAM was way better.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

Oh I think it's trash 😂 I'm talking for me tho. FOAM was way better.

FOAM said a lot of really deep and important things but it got buried under an annoying poppy sound. I think HCTS says some important things too, not their best-written song but still with meaning, but that gets lost under the fun punk sound too LOL. 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

3 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

FOAM said a lot of really deep and important things but it got buried under an annoying poppy sound. I think HCTS says some important things too, not their best-written song but still with meaning, but that gets lost under the fun punk sound too LOL. 

The only meaning I get from HCTS is that there is a shark nearby and sniffing cocaine is the way to escape him.

[Virginia Lot Lizard]

The evolution of Green Day is fantastic and I am grateful for it. They are young and awesome and capable of so much and so much more. I applaud them for taking risks and leaving their peers in the dust. People the same age as them feel like geezers. Green Day def drank from the fountain of youth and I love the risks they take even if it pisses off their “old” fans. I feel like anyone who doesn’t want them to live life and change and evolve would basically like them to live in tombs or museums for amusement. 
 

I am glad they take risks and evolve and try new things. It shows they aren’t dinosaurs. I want them to live life and ultimately even fail sometimes. So what? It’s great.

[Gwen Stacy]

1 hour ago, BillieMyLove said:

HCTS says some important things too, not their best-written song but still with meaning, but that gets lost under the fun punk sound too LOL. 

This is going to sound bitchy but it’s genuinely not. What meaning/message are you picking up on? Because I’m reading the lyrics while listening to it again and I still can’t pinpoint the subject matter. 

 

1 hour ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

They probably won't even have another 21st Century Breakdown level commercial success again.

I don’t think it’s entirely out of reach but man, that’s sad to think about that you’re probably right. Rock just ain’t as big as it used to be. I’d argue that’s why it’s even more important that the output be good. It being a rando single as filler between albums still isn’t a great excuse for putting out sub-par work (again, just my opinion). And it’s just a shame after that Network record was so good. 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

2 minutes ago, Gwen Stacy said:

This is going to sound bitchy but it’s genuinely not. What meaning/message are you picking up on? Because I’m reading the lyrics while listening to it again and I still can’t pinpoint the subject matter. 

 

There is no message. I think most of GD fans just want to find something so they're reading deep deep deep into each words lol.

[Eric]

lmao you haters still wasting time telling everyone how much you hate the song and how wrong we are for liking the song.   Sounds like a good way to spend a Friday! 

[Gwen Stacy]

2 minutes ago, Eric said:

lmao you haters still wasting time telling everyone how much you hate the song and how wrong we are for liking the song.   Sounds like a good way to spend a Friday! 

I’m just throwing my 2 cents into the mix. If y’all love it, that’s great! 

[Beerjeezus]

You know, it says something when the one person claiming to genuinely like the song is trolling...

[Eric]

Just now, Gwen Stacy said:

I’m just throwing my 2 cents into the mix. If y’all love it, that’s great! 

Wasn't really towards you. Someone in here I noticed has waaaay too much time on their hands since its release day to say the same message worded different hating the song, most of us get it already ....you dislike it lol. 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

4 minutes ago, Eric said:

Wasn't really towards you. Someone in here I noticed has waaaay too much time on their hands since its release day to say the same message worded different hating the song, most of us get it already ....you dislike it lol. 

Yeah because when MM2020 Pt2 came out you only said it one time that you didn't like it.

[Christian's Inferno!]

26 minutes ago, Gwen Stacy said:

I don’t think it’s entirely out of reach but man, that’s sad to think about that you’re probably right. Rock just ain’t as big as it used to be. I’d argue that’s why it’s even more important that the output be good. It being a rando single as filler between albums still isn’t a great excuse for putting out sub-par work (again, just my opinion). And it’s just a shame after that Network record was so good. 

Yeah thats why I said it "probably" wouldn't reach 21CB success. Definitely won't rule it out though. I'd love to be shown wrong though. Also, the fact that RevRad did as well as it did in 2016 though despite the falling status of rock music is another reason why I consider it more successful than the trilogy. Rock music was still quite well known in 2012 which makes the trilogy even more of a disappointment commercially.

I still don't get why the Network album is so beloved here. I listened to it recently and despite a couple decent tracks, I'm not seeing it

 

10 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

Yeah because when MM2020 Pt2 came out you only said it one time that you didn't like it.

It's almost as if he's a hypocrite... But that couldn't be, right? 

Seriously though, all of Eric's posts are the exact same lol

[Gwen Stacy]

8 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

I still don't get why the Network album is so beloved here. I listened to it recently and despite a couple decent tracks, I'm not seeing it

That’s still how I feel about the first Network record to be fair

[The Grohl]

2 minutes ago, Gwen Stacy said:

That’s still how I feel about the first Network record to be fair

Honestly same. I do love the second album but I like it way more than the first one. It has some great songs but it's not an album I really want to listen to front to back.

[Christian's Inferno!]

 

11 minutes ago, Gwen Stacy said:

That’s still how I feel about the first Network record to be fair

I'm not crazy about the first Network album either tbf but the new one just has way too much filler and seems likes there's only about 6 or 7 tracks that I can understand why they exist and why people like them. Most of the tracks I see no justification for their existence. And even a lot of the better tracks aren't tracks that I see myself coming back to much at all

EDIT: Maybe that's slightly unfair since the lyrical content here is actually okay for the most part