Is Green Day Over?

[Slave To The Network]

To make an assumption like this just from a handful of performances and your own interpretation of Billie's behavior is just ridiculous. You don't know him personally or what factors influence how he acts when he's in public. He has a whole life that he doesn't share with us and it is absolutely impossible to know what might be going on in it because that's his personal business. Just because he seems to you like he's not enjoying himself as much as he could be is no reason to think that he doesn't want to be in Green Day anymore. Everyone has their ups and downs and he's no different. We can't know what else might be playing a part in his supposed lack of passion that you're seeing.

I personally think they've been doing a great job and having a lot of fun. They also work extremely hard and it can be very mentally and physically exhausting, I'm sure. Billie is the kind of person who's always working on some kind of music related thing, whether it's Green Day, a side project, or just something fun for himself. Like he said in his Longshot video that one time, he's a musician who likes writing and playing music. Just because he's not doing Green Day stuff every minute of every day does not mean that Green Day is over. And why on earth would they have chosen to do a performance and get back on the stage after months if they were about to be done. Makes no sense. I bet that felt really great for them to perform live again and it was a good performance.

[MarriedtoMikeDirnt]

19 minutes ago, Squashie said:

move on to something else that brings you fucking joy because no reasoning that any of us who disagree give, is going to satisfy you.

Obviously if we didn’t liken Green Day, we wouldn’t waste our time with them. Soy you think she would’ve seen them in FOAMF era is she didn’t like them?

And @pacejunkie punk was making some very good points, and she was very persuasive. I think she could’ve convinced me. (And @Hungry Hungry Supermodels plays hardball, but she’s easy to persuade).

 

18 minutes ago, Slave To The Network said:

To make an assumption like this just from a handful of performances and your own interpretation of Billie's behavior is just ridiculous. You don't know him personally or what factors influence how he acts when he's in public. He has a whole life that he doesn't share with us and it is absolutely impossible to know what might be going on in it because that's his personal business. Just because he seems to you like he's not enjoying himself as much as he could be is no reason to think that he doesn't want to be in Green Day anymore. Everyone has their ups and downs and he's no different. We can't know what else might be playing a part in his supposed lack of passion that you're seeing.

I personally think they've been doing a great job and having a lot of fun. They also work extremely hard and it can be very mentally and physically exhausting. I'm sure. Billie is the kind of person who's always working on some kind of music related thing, whether it's Green Day, a side project, or just something fun for himself. Like he said in his Longshot video that one time, he's a musician who likes writing and playing music. Just because he's not doing Green Day stuff every minute of every day does not mean that Green Day is over. And why on earth would they have chosen to do a performance and get back on the stage after months if they were about to be done. Makes no sense. I bet that felt really great for them to perform live again and it was a good performance.

Your first paragraph brings up some good points. We don’t know Billie personally, and this assumption is based off opinion.

I’m only gonna dispute what I bolded. He’s not expected to do Green Day things all the time. That would be unrealistic. He’s not a music-making robot.

Green Day’s a dead man walking. Just cause they’re up and running now doesn’t mean they’re gonna be that way in the near future. All good things come to an end.

I also think they enjoyed playing live, but I’ve never seen a worse performance of Basket Case. Lord knows they done enjoy playing that song every time they do a show, but this time it looked Billie was unbelievably done with it. Just as he’s been all this Green Day stuff lately.

[Slave To The Network]

I still don't see what to you indicates that this band is doomed. Billie looked fine to me and I thought Basket Case was great. We can't read his mind and depending upon what else is going on in his life, he may have been distracted by or worried about something. Could have also just been in the zone since there wasn't an audience for him to feed off and interact with. We can't draw any conclusions from this. I'm sorry, but one performance that, to a very small handful of people, is not ideal is no indication that Green Day is done. It's like assuming that a normally happy person who looks down or bored one day suddenly hates their life and their job. We all go through periods in life where we're not feeling our best or can't find the motivation to do things we're normally super passionate about. That's completely normal and human. Doesn't mean that we've totally given up on everything we used to find joy in. And again, we can't even assume anything about how Billie is actually feeling just from seeing him play a few shows.

[MarriedtoMikeDirnt]

7 minutes ago, Slave To The Network said:

I still don't see what to you indicates that this band is doomed. Billie looked fine to me and I thought Basket Case was great. We can't read his mind and depending upon what else is going on in his life, he may have been distracted by or worried about something. Could have also just been in the zone since there wasn't an audience for him to feed off and interact with. We can't draw any conclusions from this. I'm sorry, but one performance that, to a very small handful of people, is not ideal is no indication that Green Day is done. It's like assuming that a normally happy person who looks down or bored one day suddenly hates their life and their job.

All of FOAMF era. All of it. That’s what it is. 

Not just this one performance. 

All of FOAMF era.

If the next Green Day album is any good, maybe I’ll change my tune, but so far it’s been all downhill from FOAMF. I don’t see them turning this around in a way significant enough to restore my faith.

[Slave To The Network]

I thought FOAM was awesome. There was a time during the beginning of it where Billie did seem really distracted and not with it, but that was to be expected seeing as his son's band was just in a bad car accident and he was undoubtedly worried. After that, it was a lot of fun. But suit yourself and continue to believe that Green Day is done for if that's what you want. Clearly you're set on it and won't be swayed otherwise, so I'll leave you to it. Not worth anymore of my time arguing about.

[luketrebilliemike]

I think it’s unlikely, there relative success may never reach the peaks of dookie and American idiot again. But I feel like they won’t stop being a band. 

We also never had the chance for a proper tour this album cycle

[Beerjeezus]

Back in my day I used to troll GDC with my friends too but we at least tried to make it funny for people reading it.

[þjáningu]

Is Green Day over ... Nope not by a long shot (pun intended) 

 

Are green day not as good as they used to be ... yes one can make a reasonable argument for why that is the case 🤔

[Hermione]

OP, there's been a global pandemic going on. That's literally the only reason for Green Day not doing stuff, otherwise they would've done more appearances and a huge world tour. Also Billie has always done side projects, literally since before Green Day was famous he's always been involved with other musical projects at the same time/in between albums. That's just how he rolls, him doing some side projects this year is just his normal way of behaving + the the pandemic limiting Green Day's activity. 

3 hours ago, MarriedtoMikeDirnt said:

All of FOAMF era. All of it. That’s what it is. 

Not just this one performance. 

All of FOAMF era.

If the next Green Day album is any good, maybe I’ll change my tune, but so far it’s been all downhill from FOAMF. I don’t see them turning this around in a way significant enough to restore my faith.

This is always what it comes down to: not liking an album. Every time they release an album people who don't happen to like it much say the band doesn't care any more and is over. I've seen it every time since 21st CB, instead of just saying they don't think the album is good people insist the band didn't try with it and predict doom. And then the band carries on having a great time playing shows and making the next album. I don't see any reason to think it will be any different this time. 

[Doggins]

If Green Day were over they wouldn't be playing together anymore

[michael1989]

1 hour ago, Major Kusanagi said:

Are green day not as good as they used to be ... yes one can make a reasonable argument for why that is the case 🤔

I think this is a good way to sum it up.

The only disappointing album they've released is FOAM. Rev Rad, while far from their best, was still a solid, respectable album. 

In my opinion they peaked with AI/21CB/Trilogy. The records themselves and their respective tours. Given they've released 2 albums since (as GD) which have both been steps down in quality from those albums, I would say at least at present they aren't as good as what they used to be. Will they get it back? Possibly. 

[Gonzalo17]

11 hours ago, Hungry Hungry Supermodels said:

I made a thread for it so we don't get in trouble with the mode for being off topic.

 

I guess I should explain myself. If you've been keeping up with FOAMF era and whatever this current era is (whether it's FOAMF era part 2 or not), then you've seen what I think are some pretty shitty performances. I honestly think this is the end for Green Day. Billie seems like he's not into it anymore. I think he wants to move on with his life, and understandably so. He's been working under the Green Day name for more that thirty years, and maybe the side projects aren't enough any more. 

I've been over this a million times, but since people are too lazy to go to the NFL Honors thread and see what the fuck I'm talking about, I have to explain this again. This is all you're getting, fucking figure it out yourself from here.

I think is time to open the vault for fans

[pacejunkie punk]

One more point I want to make is to caution going forward on what we interpret as Billie’s lack of enthusiasm. Pandemic and other mood killers aside, it’s likely we may see a drop in his on stage leaps and jumps on future tours, but that would be a deliberate choice to preserve his longevity, not a sign of slowing down. I suspect even bringing Kevin on board to take over more guitar duties may be one of these choices.  They’ve all had some serious wear and tear after years of touring and you can’t expect them to go the distance without some modifications after age fifty.

[Little Boy Named Booze]

After a good night of sleep I'm still wondering why this thread exist.

[Virginia Lot Lizard]

I don’t know why this thread exists. Green Day is never over and I don’t know why anyone would think it was. 

[Macys]

They will probably not make huge worldwide hits anymore. Just guessing. But did you see their seville performance? One of their best and vocally Billie was on top

[þjáningu]

1 hour ago, michael1989 said:

I think this is a good way to sum it up.

The only disappointing album they've released is FOAM. Rev Rad, while far from their best, was still a solid, respectable album. 

In my opinion they peaked with AI/21CB/Trilogy. The records themselves and their respective tours. Given they've released 2 albums since (as GD) which have both been steps down in quality from those albums, I would say at least at present they aren't as good as what they used to be. Will they get it back? Possibly. 

I will respectfully disagree with Rev Rad being a step down from the trilogy. I personally think it was a step up ... although I believe they played it far too safe on that album 😊

FOAM was a disaster

 

(The 21st century breakdown tour was the greatest tour they have ever done)

[Beerjeezus]

The word “entitled” often gets thrown around when someone is critical about the band and it’s usually unwarranted, but this time it’s spot on for once.

[legendary]

Billie is a very sentimental person, we all know. These times that we live is a very difficult times for everyone. Billie's way out from social medias is clearly a response to all of that... I think he's tired about the free hate, politicals, bad news, corona and more, as many of us. For him maybe is worst, because what he likes most, that's playing live with fans, can't be done for a while.

He always said that dont' gives a shit about what the fans says about new music, but we know that matters. FOAM was a failure, Hella Mega unfortunately too. All about this say much about his recently behaviour, I guess.

Although, GD did incredible performances in FOAM era beginning. The last ones was bad, but not that bad. With BJ returning to drink/smoke and at 48, maybe we are pushing too hard.

[purplebenny]

To clarify, this thread exists because someone thought a promo performance wasn’t great?

A performance to promote the superBowl and show football highlights, no more no less.

we’ve reached peak insanity levels 

[MarriedtoMikeDirnt]

2 hours ago, Hermione said:

OP, there's been a global pandemic going on. That's literally the only reason for Green Day not doing stuff, otherwise they would've done more appearances and a huge world tour. Also Billie has always done side projects, literally since before Green Day was famous he's always been involved with other musical projects at the same time/in between albums. That's just how he rolls, him doing some side projects this year is just his normal way of behaving + the the pandemic limiting Green Day's activity. 

This is always what it comes down to: not liking an album. Every time they release an album people who don't happen to like it much say the band doesn't care any more and is over. I've seen it every time since 21st CB, instead of just saying they don't think the album is good people insist the band didn't try with it and predict doom. And then the band carries on having a great time playing shows and making the next album. I don't see any reason to think it will be any different this time. 

I don’t like the trilogy or AI, but I didn’t say it was over then (although I think anyone who thought it was over during the trilogy era was reasonably justified for hopefully obvious reasons). I bought tickets for Hella Mega tour, and I promise you it wasn’t to hear Graffita (I hear that song in my nightmares). I just wanna see a good show. But if I’m gonna see Billie give a boring performance, I’m not putting my money into that. Mind you, running around a stage doesn’t make it interesting. I couldn’t care less if he never jumps again. I just want to see a good show from a good band.

To me it seems like Billie doesn’t enjoy something about this: whether it’s the music, the band, or something else. I’d like to believe it was the music, but then that nfl honors performance happened. They didn’t play a song off of FOAMF at all and it was still bad. 

So with all these shitty performances, and the fact that it’s been more that thirty years and it’s logical to assume that someone would get tired of being in the same band for that long, I think their is the end and anything from here is just advancing the inevitable death of Green Day. 

 

2 hours ago, michael1989 said:

I think this is a good way to sum it up.

The only disappointing album they've released is FOAM. Rev Rad, while far from their best, was still a solid, respectable album. 

In my opinion they peaked with AI/21CB/Trilogy. The records themselves and their respective tours. Given they've released 2 albums since (as GD) which have both been steps down in quality from those albums, I would say at least at present they aren't as good as what they used to be. Will they get it back? Possibly. 

I totally love RevRad (minus Youngblood because that song is unbearable). I think they did very well on RevRad tour.

I think they could get it back if they wanted to. And I’ll be glad to hear it when they do. But they’re old guys now; they’ve been doing this forever. With the release of FOAMF, it’s almost like they want to be a novelty act.

[Macys]

Imagine being a public person and having to entertain others and doing the same thing for 30 years. Release of a failure album, corona, canceled concerts and dealing with mid life crisis. When you go out and give your best for tv and still get judged by your so called loyal fans for looking sad. Cause you are expected to be at your best all the time. Billie is an individual first of all with his own personal issues. Just leave him alone and be glad that he is still around. I think Billie will drop dead if he sees this thread being active cause he is a sensitive drama queen. 

4 minutes ago, MarriedtoMikeDirnt said:

I don’t like the trilogy or AI, but I didn’t say it was over then (although I think anyone who thought it was over during the trilogy era was reasonably justified for hopefully obvious reasons). I bought tickets for Hella Mega tour, and I promise you it wasn’t to hear Graffita (I hear that song in my nightmares). I just wanna see a good show. But if I’m gonna see Billie give a boring performance, I’m not putting my money into that. Mind you, running around a stage doesn’t make it interesting. I couldn’t care less if he never jumps again. I just want to see a good show from a good band.

To me it seems like Billie doesn’t enjoy something about this: whether it’s the music, the band, or something else. I’d like to believe it was the music, but then that nfl honors performance happened. They didn’t play a song off of FOAMF at all and it was still bad. 

So with all these shitty performances, and the fact that it’s been more that thirty years and it’s logical to assume that someone would get tired of being in the same band for that long, I think their is the end and anything from here is just advancing the inevitable death of Green Day. 

 

I totally love RevRad (minus Youngblood because that song is unbearable). I think they did very well on RevRad tour.

I think they could get it back if they wanted to. And I’ll be glad to hear it when they do. But they’re old guys now; they’ve been doing this forever. With the release of FOAMF, it’s almost like they want to be a novelty act.

If you don’t want to attend a concert you don’t have to. There’s no point in proving everyone that your opinion and feelings matter

[Miko]

I'm just commenting about few things since original ''Is Green Day over?'' question has been answered already by many people at this point.

FOAM wasn't disappointment, but I can understand these comments if we're talking about length or meaning of the songs, since lets face it; those songs aren't the most personal ones GD has put out in the past 10 years.

I loved FOAM, but absolutely hated Revolution Radio, both the album and the tour (mainly because they decided to go Sweden but not Finland, motherfuckers!). Five years ago I thought this is it now, they're the most boring nostalgia band on the planet earth and they won't do anything crazy ever again. Forever Now is the boring version of Jesus of Suburbia, Still Breathing was too poppy etc. With FOAM, they proved me wrong so hard I decided to not judge this band based on few shows nor even the whole ''era'' which is getting brought up a lot.

They might not be always at their 100 % (and they weren't perfoming every single show at 100 % during 21CB Tour either and that is considered as their best tour ever) and especially during NFL Honors perfomance Billie didn't look at his happiest, but I'm pretty sure his passion is still Green Day and will always be, even though it would sometimes suck to have all that stress during songwriting.

Lastly, I don't understand this analyzing thing based on one very professional perfomance. Why are we analyzing band members thoughts and moods based on one perfomance? Wasn't NFL Honors the main reason this thread was created? I don't get it.

[MarriedtoMikeDirnt]

3 hours ago, Hermione said:

OP, there's been a global pandemic going on. That's literally the only reason for Green Day not doing stuff, otherwise they would've done more appearances and a huge world tour. Also Billie has always done side projects, literally since before Green Day was famous he's always been involved with other musical projects at the same time/in between albums. That's just how he rolls, him doing some side projects this year is just his normal way of behaving + the the pandemic limiting Green Day's activity. 

This is always what it comes down to: not liking an album. Every time they release an album people who don't happen to like it much say the band doesn't care any more and is over. I've seen it every time since 21st CB, instead of just saying they don't think the album is good people insist the band didn't try with it and predict doom. And then the band carries on having a great time playing shows and making the next album. I don't see any reason to think it will be any different this time. 

How many times do I have to say the same damn thing?

@Hungry Hungry Supermodels, you take over from here, and be nice.

[Little Boy Named Booze]

I really don't know who I'm going to vote for next year for the Drama Queen Award. Too many choices!