Green Day on iHeart Fox NYE special 2021

[Beerjeezus]

Kevin is clearly a keeper.

[Clockwise]

Performance was not bad. I have no idea why we're debating it now when it came out last February?

[Beerjeezus]

13 minutes ago, Clockwise said:

Performance was not bad. I have no idea why we're debating it now when it came out last February?

Because it was aired again??? I don't know.

[pacejunkie punk]

13 minutes ago, Clockwise said:

Performance was not bad. I have no idea why we're debating it now when it came out last February?

Only because it was just reaired by Fox on their NYE show. Of all performances to pick for a wider audience, I don’t think it showed them in the best light but opinions differ

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Eric said:

It's clearly what happen. It's very common for GDC to read way too much into this. I am sure they will forget when we get their next live performance whenever that is. Artists can have off days, too much to drink, whatever. He can forget lyrics, he is human! The only thing they did wrong here was choosing Oh Yeah. People are too sensitive for how Fox mentioned Green Day, who the fuck cares, let Green Day get offended, not the fans. They should of just left them off the show tbh 

This is probably the one and only time I will ever agree with you on anything LOL. I love this site but I agree that too often people create too much drama out of nothing. I love what you said about them being human. People forget that celebrities are humans too at the end of the day and occasionally will screw up something like all of us. Green Day has given hundreds if not thousands of performances over 30 years; most were great but sometimes they weren't at their best and they are allowed to have those days. The fans aren't entitled to perfection. I also agree about Fox. They never made clear whether it would be a new or old performance. They could have picked a better song, and trolling fans was stupid, but Fox is stupid LOL. Nothing to see here people.

[Beerjeezus]

I don't understand what's dramatic about simply not liking a performance.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Beerjeezus said:

I don't understand what's dramatic about simply not liking a performance.

It's not about that. No one has to like it. It's about acting like their career is over because they gave one bad show, acting like they deliberately gave a bad performance to insult their fans, etc. (You haven't suggested any of this, but others have). That sense of entitlement and acting grievously wronged if you don't get the quality of show you wanted gets annoying fast. 

[Beerjeezus]

6 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

It's not about that. No one has to like it. It's about acting like their career is over because they gave one bad show, acting like they deliberately gave a bad performance to insult their fans, etc. (You haven't suggested any of this, but others have). That sense of entitlement and acting grievously wronged if you don't get the quality of show you wanted gets annoying fast. 

I don't think anyone is convinced they give bad performances on purpose or that their career is over, but it's not unreasonable to be disappointed. I don't go to Green Day shows to watch them mess up every song they play. At a show, I would be caught in the moment enough to not notice a lot, but this show reaches the level when it would most likely be noticeable.

[Guest]

Just now, Beerjeezus said:

I don't think anyone is convinced they give bad performances on purpose or that their career is over, but it's not unreasonable to be disappointed. I don't go to Green Day shows to watch them mess up every song they play. At a show, I would be caught in the moment enough to not notice a lot, but this show reaches the level when it would most likely be noticeable.

I mean, I have watched it a bunch of times and somehow it's not that noticeable to me--and I'm a pretty detail-picky person. It's fine if people have different opinions about the show. But when people start writing stuff here like "they don't care" and acting really angry about it, that just seems like too much. I get how people would be disappointed when the show isn't what they hoped for, but at the end of the day you have to realize that even if they are rich and famous rock stars, they are still people and people sometimes make mistakes. Forgive me if my first thought when I see someone I admire not acting like himself is "Gee, I hope he is OK" and not "Wow, this show sucks and I am so pissed off about it."

[Eric]

51 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

This is probably the one and only time I will ever agree with you on anything LOL. I love this site but I agree that too often people create too much drama out of nothing. I love what you said about them being human. People forget that celebrities are humans too at the end of the day and occasionally will screw up something like all of us. Green Day has given hundreds if not thousands of performances over 30 years; most were great but sometimes they weren't at their best and they are allowed to have those days. The fans aren't entitled to perfection. I also agree about Fox. They never made clear whether it would be a new or old performance. They could have picked a better song, and trolling fans was stupid, but Fox is stupid LOL. Nothing to see here people.

I legit saw nothing about them saying live or new anything, so I dont know where they misleaded the fans at  

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Eric said:

I legit saw nothing about them saying live or new anything, so I dont know where they misleaded the fans at  

I do agree on this. I mean, in the beginning a lot of people here thought the performance would be old, so our fears were confirmed LOL.

[Yosuke Hanamura]

6 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

Forgive me if my first thought when I see someone I admire not acting like himself is "Gee, I hope he is OK" and not "Wow, this show sucks and I am so pissed off about it."

Been there, done that. Concern for the boys only gets you shit on GDC.

 

[Eric]

Its so weird for fans trying to speak on a band members personal life.

[Yosuke Hanamura]

2 minutes ago, Eric said:

Its so weird for fans trying to speak on a band members personal life.

We don’t attempt to guess what’s going on, we just hope everything is okay.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Yosuke Hanamura said:

Been there, done that. Concern for the boys only gets you shit on GDC.

 

I feel ya. It's a shame really. This is why I bristle when people bitch about the fangirls thread. They act like we are treating the guys like sex objects, while they just treat them like robots who exist solely to crank out music and entertain us flawlessly. Yes, they are rich and famous rock stars, but they are also human beings who have value outside their work. Who knows, maybe Billie was still mourning the loss of his dog during that show. Maybe he was worrying about his elderly mother getting covid (which was already in California at that time). He has a right to think about something other than music. 

[Eric]

3 minutes ago, Yosuke Hanamura said:

We don’t attempt to guess what’s going on, we just hope everything is okay.

looks like you are just assuming

there was a reason it got locked

its just weird

 

[Yosuke Hanamura]

10 minutes ago, Eric said:

looks like you are just assuming

there was a reason it got locked

its just weird

Nowhere in that thread did I speculate what was happening. You and a few others just blew it out of proportion.

[pacejunkie punk]

12 minutes ago, Eric said:

Its so weird for fans trying to speak on a band members personal life.

GDC: They’re allowed to make mistakes, remember they’re human

Also GDC: Forget that they’re human and don’t act concerned for them on a personal level

 

[Beerjeezus]

The thing is, it's kind of awkward to discuss the possibly quite private stuff publicly, because I don't want to spread gossip. I don't want to log on tumblr to see people talking about how some kid on twitter posted about how some person on a forum came out with Perfectly Reliable Insider Info about how Billie is on HEROIN or something and it will end up being me.  But that doesn't mean I don't care.

[Yosuke Hanamura]

2 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

The thing is, it's kind of awkward to discuss the possibly quite private stuff publicly, because I don't want to spread gossip. I don't want to log on tumblr to see people talking about how some kid on twitter posted about how some person on a forum came out with Perfectly Reliable Insider Info about how Billie is on HEROIN or something and it will end up being me.  But that doesn't mean I don't care.

I completely agree. Nobody should spread rumors about the very real and personal issues of others, since It could make an already stressful situation all the worse. What I meant to say was that there should be no problem to say something along the lines of “I hope everything is okay”.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

The thing is, it's kind of awkward to discuss the possibly quite private stuff publicly, because I don't want to spread gossip. I don't want to log on tumblr to see people talking about how some kid on twitter posted about how some person on a forum came out with Perfectly Reliable Insider Info about how Billie is on HEROIN or something and it will end up being me.  But that doesn't mean I don't care.

I think @Yosuke Hanamura just took the words out of my mouth.   I think folks are starting to miss the point. No one should be spreading rumors or speculating on personal things. But we should be able to talk about the band members with some empathy. Treat them like full people instead of music-producing machines. It's not complicated.

[Clockwise]

I was just happy to watch them on TV.

[Beerjeezus]

14 minutes ago, Yosuke Hanamura said:

I completely agree. Nobody should spread rumors about the very real and personal issues of others, since It could make an already stressful situation all the worse. What I meant to say was that there should be no problem to say something along the lines of “I hope everything is okay”.

Of course!!! I agree the reaction you got in your thread was very blown up, especially because you only mentioned something that was obvious. I assume we all can agree that we wish them well so there shouldn't be outrage about someone saying so.

[The Grohl]

18 minutes ago, Clockwise said:

I was just happy to watch them on TV.

[Slave To The Network]

On 1/2/2021 at 11:32 AM, BillieMyLove said:

It's about acting like their career is over because they gave one bad show, acting like they deliberately gave a bad performance to insult their fans 

I don't remember reading anyone saying these things or that the band doesn't care. 

Personally, it just makes me a little sad because I really care about them and it seemed like Billie was fumbling things a lot more than just making one mistake here or there. Usually I'm one of those people who thinks a performance is great when a lot of others are complaining about tiny details like how Billie didn't hit a note just right or something. This was a little different, though. At least to me. I was not disappointed with the performance, just concerned. I really do hope he was just having an off day and that everything's okay with him. That would be the best scenario. I just get scared that he's slowing down and doesn't have the memory he used to or that something else is going on when there's a performance like this. He's only going to be 49 so he's honestly still pretty young, but the years do catch up to you at some point I suppose and he does have a super physically and mentally taxing job.

Now that I think about it, it's actually incredibly impressive how much energy and athleticism all of them DO still have after over 30 years of doing this. I certainly couldn't even come close to that kind of stamina. At the same time, seeing how amazingly well they perform on a consistent basis makes times when they're not doing so hot really stand out. Especially when it's an uncharacteristically large number of mistakes in a relatively short set.

Okay, I'm done now. I realize I did go into some super over-analysis here, but I just needed to get that out.