Green Day Turned Down Pop Disaster 2

[Hermione]

1 hour ago, green day is said:

To me California/Nine literally just sounds like +44. Which is kind of what it is. It's just boring tbh.

I don't remember Neighborhoods which probably says something in and of itself.

I will always remember 2016 as the year Blink came back, Green Day released their first proper follow-up to 21CBD, and somehow out of all of it Sum 41 put out the best pop punk record that year.

 

lol the subject in question is "why might GD turn down a PDT2" not "would Hermione like to see a PDT2"

Quoting what Tré thought in 2002 is irrelevant. If they still think the same way about their recent releases I'd see that as incredibly egotistical given that they're getting heavily outperformed by what really are mediocre releases themselves.

(not that they necessarily do - Hella Mega was already planned so it's a no either way)

Don't you think Green Day are more acclaimed as a live act than Blink though? It's about touring not albums. 

The main reason is probably just Hella Mega anyway, but Mark Hoppus and the article writer acting like it's a huge bombshell that they'd turn down a tour with them is just silly to me. Green Day outperformed Blink last time, they don't "need" them since they do very well touring by themselves, and they haven't played together again in all the years since. There's nothing out of the ordinary about that continuing to be the case.

Like why would he even mention it? It just makes them sound desperate lol (which they're not, as you pointed out they're doing well).

[The Grohl]

I see clearly that I am in the minority here 😂 I have no idea when Mark asked them but if it was Tom, hell yeah I want to see that. I know Blink aren't strong live but they're fun. And I've always wanted to see them goofing around on stage. But if we're talking current Blink...it's still better than FOB and Weezer. I was actually kind of bummed that they said no. Yet a tour with FOB gets a pass. 🙄

[ANTI]

4 hours ago, green day is said:

Yeah I hate to tell you this but GD isn't doing so hot either.

FOAMF at debut sold/streamed less than half of Blink's last album at 42,000 album equivalent units vs 95,000. and got the same Metacritic score (actually 1% more... grats).

Same story with RevRad and California both released next to each other; 95,000 vs 186,000.

You gotta leave the fansite bubble before you compare another band's quality lol

 

(for what it's worth I think all four albums listed above blow : ^) not a modern blink fan)

I mean, no one is doing so hot sales wise unless you're literally Taylor Swift or BTS. Miley Cyrus is projected to debut this week with 40k-50k on Billboard, and that's even with several viral songs on Tik Tok, same case with Shawn Mendes, who's expected to debut with 80k-90k with a Top 10 hit with Justin Bieber.

Truth is no one is making money off album sales, and the difference between 40k and 95k is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. What matters is streaming and touring and Green Day are safe in both realms. They are a firmly established as an arena/stadium band all over the world, and at this point in their career they're not gonna be an amphiteather band again no matter what they do. Here in Latin America, Green Day filled out stadiums in multiple countries even without promo or TV spots. Compare that to Blink, who are mainly playing amphitheaters in their US leg even when their main focus is the American market, contrary to Green Day who are more focused on Europe and Asia.

Even coming off a flop album like FOAM, Green Day has more than 17 million established monthly listeners on Spotify, which is 1 million more that Fall Out Boy, more than double than Weezer and 6 million more than Blink 182. Even if their streaming is focused on their past hits, fact is they are more established in the public perception and have more cultural impact than any of the other bands, and that's what matters. It's probably why they were able to re-negociate their contract with Warner even coming off of FOAM, their legacy is already secured and they're probably never gonna stop being one of the most known rock acts today.

And even though they probably declined the tour because Hella Mega was already on the motion, the guys have always been known for being outstanding live acts, and Blink are known for the exact opposite, which makes them incompatible for another tour together and they have literally nothing to gain from it now compared to their situation in 2002.

[jengd]

Nope, I'm with @Hermione this isnt about sales, it's about the live performance, GD know how good they are live and Blink have never been great live, though I have only seen filmed but I know plenty folk who have been disappointed in Blink.  I am a big Alkaline Trio fan and hoped Matt Skiba would improve Blink but I recognise AT's live performances aren't consistent or of GD quality.

This got lost somehow, was in response to @green day is

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[greendepent]

Blink can't lift their own weight on live shows. They were bad with Tom, and now they are worse with Matt. Sometimes I feel that they are just milking the cash cow with the name and nothing else. The fact that they had external input on their recent songs and pretty much no substance in their lyrics, is just painful to watch. 

Is not like hella mega is much better, but at least, Weezer can put a good show

 

[green day is]

4 hours ago, ANTI said:

I mean, no one is doing so hot sales wise

Stopped reading here. The figures I quoted are "album equivalent units" which factors in streaming/digital downloads. Plenty of artists are """hot""" by those metrics.

Not that it matters? Because we're not comparing Green Day to Taylor Swift and every other artist, we're comparing them to Blink. So even if sales were suffering in general (and again we're not talking about physical sales or whatever you thought I was talking about), the point would still stand that GD is selling worse than Blink. Which is the focus of the discussion.

7 hours ago, Hermione said:

Like why would he even mention it? It just makes them sound desperate lol (which they're not, as you pointed out they're doing well).

I think he just thought his fans would find it interesting?

[Mato]

If this actually happened, it really would have been a Poop Disaster tour for Blink..

[The Grohl]

28 minutes ago, Mato said:

If this actually happened, it really would have been a Poop Disaster tour for Blink..

[ANTI]

1 hour ago, green day is said:

Stopped reading here. The figures I quoted are "album equivalent units" which factors in streaming/digital downloads. Plenty of artists are """hot""" by those metrics.

Not that it matters? Because we're not comparing Green Day to Taylor Swift and every other artist, we're comparing them to Blink. So even if sales were suffering in general (and again we're not talking about physical sales or whatever you thought I was talking about), the point would still stand that GD is selling worse than Blink. Which is the focus of the discussion.

Why do you answer me if you clearly didn't bother reading? My point is that literally no one cares about a 50k difference in first week sales and Green Day do better than Blink, FOB and Weezer in more relevant metrics, like Spotify streams and touring.  

Also, the numbers for the predictions of Miley and Shawn are counting streaming and digital downloads, the market is just that bad.

[Hermione]

Saw this and thought of this thread, hehehe

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[The Grohl]

Wow Billie 😂

[Hermione]

Sorry but I'm obsessed with this now  

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You must have written your fair share of terrible songs, what's the worst?

Tre: I just sang a song on the radio called 'Suck My Dick Until Your Lips Fall Off'. Although, saying that, that does sound like a Blink 182 song, doesn't it?
Mike: No, the lyrics are a little bit too clever for them.

You must look at Blink 182 and think, 'We were that good once..."

Mike: That's fucking sweet man! I know Blink 182 say they like us. They fucking better like us!
Tre: I have an answer to that question: No, have you ever seen them live?
Mike: Seriously, at first I was happy for them, but now I find it a little irritating. I think they trivialise what we do, and punk rock in general. It's like throwing shit in the face of something or someone that had substance at one point. Didn't one of the members marry someone from MTV? I mean, what the fuck? But if any band should be pissed off at them then it's NOFX.

 

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Meow! Even in this interview with both bands promoting Pop Disaster, nothing bad is said but look at Billie's face and he won't say a nice thing about them. Green Day are so bitchy lol, no wonder the tour has never been repeated.

[billy1986]

I thought not long ago Tom said aside from Tre maybe they all like each other he mentioned the shoes he made with Mike and that Tom and Billie stay in touch.

[Slave To The Network]

9 hours ago, Hermione said:

Sorry but I'm obsessed with this now  

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Meow! Even in this interview with both bands promoting Pop Disaster, nothing bad is said but look at Billie's face and he won't say a nice thing about them. Green Day are so bitchy lol, no wonder the tour has never been repeated.

Wow, they spelled Billie's name wrong in the Pop Disaster one. 

I LOVE bitchy, sassy Green Day. It's like the most hilarious thing. We haven't seen any really good full on sass from them since Billie's Longshot video.

[Hermione]

2 hours ago, billy1986 said:

I thought not long ago Tom said aside from Tre maybe they all like each other he mentioned the shoes he made with Mike and that Tom and Billie stay in touch.

Yeah I do think some of it was just teasing, you could see they had some fun on the tour in Riding In Vans With Boys. And they're all older and there's no longer the awkward situation of Blink being at their high point in popularity and GD being at their low point but GD being the better live act etc, so there's probably no real issue now. But still Green Day's savageness towards them was amusing

[Yosuke Hanamura]

If this really was about 2 years ago like Mark said, then the boys probably declined because Hella Mega was in it’s planning stages. I for one would take a Pop Disaster 2 any day of the week over Hella Mega, even with Matt Skiba in the band. (What can I say, I like Alkaline Trio as well.)

As for the sales, that doesn’t really mean much. Green Day still dominates the Billboard 200 and rock charts when a new album releases, and just like @ANTI stated, nobody else besides the bigger pop acts get album sales.

[green day is]

1 hour ago, Yosuke Hanamura said:

If this really was about 2 years ago like Mark said, then the boys probably declined because Hella Mega was in it’s planning stages.

this should be obvious

 

i already said so

[Yosuke Hanamura]

21 minutes ago, green day is said:

this should be obvious

i already said so

I apologize, didn’t see.

[The Grohl]

If I had to pick I would totally take Pop Disaster 2 even with the current Blink lineup over Hella Mega. At least I get to see 2/3 of Blink and hear songs I actually like.

[Hermione]

3 hours ago, The Grohl said:

If I had to pick I would totally take Pop Disaster 2 even with the current Blink lineup over Hella Mega. At least I get to see 2/3 of Blink and hear songs I actually like.

I'd take it but only because one extra band is better than two

[Little Boy Named Booze]

I get why people don't like HMT mostly because there is too many band before Green Day.
But I hope there is a small % of the population who like it lol and I'm one of them.
Love all 4 bands and know a lot about their discography.
PLEASE COVID GTFO

[Squashie]

44 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

I get why people don't like HMT mostly because there is too many band before Green Day.
But I hope there is a small % of the population who like it lol and I'm one of them.
Love all 4 bands and know a lot about their discography.
PLEASE COVID GTFO

*raises hand*

I was so looking forward to Hella Mega and seeing all four bands. 

[Beerjeezus]

I wouldn't be too thrilled to see Blink instead of a regular opening band, but at least it would be more fun than Hella Mega. I hope they come out with something good when this is over so I can feel like I didn't catch covid for nothing.

[pacejunkie punk]

As much as I miss Green Day live I’m still surprisingly ambivalent about the HM tour and part of me will be relieved if it’s canceled and I can just get my money back.