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[Red]

He was probably just covering the song for a request, but it's interesting none the less...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zc5fFRPnGtvqrwAR9JpoxNosX3hvvLHz/view?usp=sharing

Not saying it's definitely him, this guy is crazy talented and has a crazy deep understanding of music and can pretty much play any song you ask him to without him even knowing it, but I gotta admit his BJA impression is getting really good... so who knows.

Thanks @Liam for bringing this to my attention.

[Alan86]

16 minutes ago, Mato said:

All jokes aside, but who actually bothers recording fake songs as some bands, not that well known, side project? It's just dumb. 

That’s the internet you, dumb shit everywhere and over 7 billion people have the potential to post anything they want.

[green day is]

3 minutes ago, Red said:

He was probably just covering the song for a request, but it's interesting none the less...

https://www.facebook.com/messenger_media/?thread_id=1377394822&attachment_id=687770272122390&message_id=mid.%24cAABa82f9eZd7uW82a11iCc9cX_-e

Not saying it's definitely him, this guy is crazy talented and has a crazy deep understanding of music and can pretty much play any song you ask him to without him even knowing it, but I gotta admit his BJA impression is getting really good... so who knows.

Thanks @Liam for sharing this link with me.
 

I think you just linked to something from your own messenger convo? Download it and host it on Mega or something, can't be viewed.

[Red]

2 minutes ago, green day is said:

I think you just linked to something from your own messenger convo? Download it and host it on Mega or something, can't be viewed.

Ah fuck! Cheers I will update this post when I fix it.

Edit: fixed!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zc5fFRPnGtvqrwAR9JpoxNosX3hvvLHz/view?usp=sharing

[Boobooo]

So, I'm gonna just run with my theory of it being released election night, and on top of that I reckon the record will have a political undertone. 

Feels like the songs so far, if you include them all, are about division or feeling disconnected from people around you, a lot like the atmosphere in America at the moment. 

Look at TUT, lyrics could be about a friend lost to a different political affiliation : "now you dance to a different drum" "like one of them and you're sure not one of us" 

The lyrics are also saying that Trump supporters are also hurting inside and some don't really buy the rhetoric spewed by their leader: "I know you burn inside, I know the truth behind the lie" 

Looking at the other songs, The Prophecy with it's "we're right,  you're wrong" chant is very much in line with this idea of a wedge shoved down America right now. Division again. 

The latest clip that we are all debating it's legitimacy, "cut the temperature and freeze me here, will the generator rouse?" is basically a metaphor for the country going stagnant and asking when will change come and "warm" the political climate back up again... "the countdown's on" (which it literally might be if this is released on election night). 

The rest of the clip is someone feeling disenfranchised and "out looking for trouble/morals/content" or looking for anything to "redress" the balance and unfairness they feel in life right now, as many people do today. 

 

In conclusion, I'm reading way to much into all of this and I think I may now actually be clinically insane. 

[Beerjeezus]

3 minutes ago, Red said:

Ah fuck! Cheers I will update this post when I fix it.

Edit: fixed!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zc5fFRPnGtvqrwAR9JpoxNosX3hvvLHz/view?usp=sharing

If Panicland keep it up, Green Day will go out of business

[navouxodonosoras]

16 minutes ago, green day is said:

It's not blind faith lmao he studied the particular's of Billie's voice, both how it reacts note for note and how it reacts to certain formants, and not only made a write up using that info but makes music expertly replicating his voice himself.

 

Listen to Panicland "Average Working Man" and tell me this isn't the guy most qualified to comment on Billie's voice.

Everybody who has dedicated time on listening the band has the right to comment on Billie 's voice, like you would likely keep to be  qualified to comment on your parents voice, even if someone makes a study on it. I dont say "keep to be the most qualified" because there is not such thing. Experience is collectively determined. You walk with your friend and you are talking about the area you see and you validate each other 's experience. It s unatural not to do so, and this is what bothers me in this thread. It is unaturall to say: "I hear this, I dont care what the others hear, whoever they are, end of story". Because If for example you lose some of your hearing without realising, you will keep say that the others are wrong? You will end up crazy among sane. Breadon too hears through his senses and his sensory machinery is not like a computer, as you think it is. 

It is not a matter if TUT is original or not. I still think that there is a chance i maybe be be wrong. The way some people have contributed to this conversasion is the frustrating part.

Edited November 2, 2020 by navouxodonosoras

[green day is]

16 minutes ago, navouxodonosoras said:

Everybody who has dedicated time on listening the band has the right to comment on Billie 's voice, like you would likely keep to be  qualified to comment on your parents voice, even if someone makes a study on it. I dont say "keep to be the most qualified" because there is not such thing. .

Except as we've determined, passively listening to his voice in that sort of way doesn't actually lead to accurate recognition for a large portion of people.

 

Yes, there is a such thing as "most qualified" and active study, with proven results, definitely qualifies someone in that way. Pointing out the specific, factual qualities of the voice (where it slips into falsetto, how certain vowels present, how he realizes melisma, how he realizes vibrato in terms of depth and speed and in what situations, etc) that match is infinitely more valuable than "I just don't think it sounds like him" with no factual information backing that up.

A voice is a real thing whose tendencies can be measured and described in objective terms. It's not an esoteric, mystical thing that we can only hope to get vague, personal impressions of.

[navouxodonosoras]

32 minutes ago, green day is said:

Except as we've determined, passively listening to his voice in that sort of way doesn't actually lead to accurate recognition for a large portion of people.

 

Yes, there is a such thing as "most qualified" and active study, with proven results, definitely qualifies someone in that way.

Of course if for example someone studies music, he gains extra machinery. But he is NOT indepedent and autonomous in two ways. First, of all sometimes he will need an intersubjective critirion, as i mention in the example of the deaf (which is streatched- imagine someone lose a small part of his hearing and cant listen some, very few notes). Second he is creativitly limited. A song is piece made of milion points. The expert focuses on some. But maybe he will lose some, that some other person will realize. As when we watch something and each other notices different details. So numerous opinions in these matters is good to take under considaration. 

*I should have quoted the longer text since you edited it. Anyway i think we should take different opinions under these matters. Everyday experinece proves that. Sometimes an expert sits together with an amatuer and you cant understand who is who. There are no sharp boundaries in these matters.

** you edit your answer by adding parts and you make it little difficult for me. I haven't said that voice is something mystical. How comes that?

Edited November 2, 2020 by navouxodonosoras

[Redundantuserjinxboy]

cant wait for tomorrow's roller coaster ride

[green day is]

3 minutes ago, navouxodonosoras said:

The expert focuses on some. But maybe he will lose some, that some other person will realize. As when we watch something and each other notices different details. So numerous opinions in these matters is good to take under considaration. 

Feel free to post some lol

[navouxodonosoras]

29 minutes ago, green day is said:

Feel free to post some lol

If you no longer wish or are able to keep the conversation on a decent level, I wouldn't bother..

Edited November 2, 2020 by navouxodonosoras

[Hermione]

9 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Now that we know this is a Network thread, can we change the poll in the OP to see who thinks TUT is a legit Network song or not? 

Yes

New poll is up, get to it and vote people!

[green day is]

43 minutes ago, navouxodonosoras said:

If you no longer wish or are able to keep the conversation on a decent level, I wouldn't bother..

Okay don't?

[CannibalRat]

I think all signs point to TUT being fake now. I was really convinced it was Green Day, but the other videos the channel has posted are obviously fake. Also considering the fact that Bill has said it's fake three times already, I think it's safe to say we've been fooled. Similar to the MOOTIK situation we continued speculating even though Bill said numerous times Panicland was behind the "leaks". 

There's only one thing I don't get. Why did Billie Joe share a whole minute of the song when he said he doesn't know who made TUT. He would have got the point across by way less.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, CannibalRat said:

Why did Billie Joe share a whole minute of the song when he said he doesn't know who made TUT. He would have got the point across by way less.

He was drunk again, late night watching CNN wasn't he

That'd explain it

[Boobooo]

3 minutes ago, CannibalRat said:

I think all signs point to TUT being fake now. I was really convinced it was Green Day, but the other videos the channel has posted are obviously fake. Also considering the fact that Bill has said it's fake three times already, I think it's safe to say we've been fooled. Similar to the MOOTIK situation we continued speculating even though Bill said numerous times Panicland was behind the "leaks". 

There's only one thing I don't get. Why did Billie Joe share a whole minute of the song when he said he doesn't know who made TUT. He would have got the point across by way less.

This time though it has just seemed like Bill is engaging in the classic "The Network isn't Green Day" banter. That's why his comments have ended with "..." and he made the tongue in cheek comment of them sounding "too Canadian". I feel like he's trying to wind us up. 

I honestly don't see why Billie would post a story about TUT if it wasn't relevant. It just seems pointless. Why try and generate hype for a song that isn't Green Day or The Network? 

[green day is]

34 minutes ago, CannibalRat said:

I think all signs point to TUT being fake now. I was really convinced it was Green Day, but the other videos the channel has posted are obviously fake. Also considering the fact that Bill has said it's fake three times already, I think it's safe to say we've been fooled. Similar to the MOOTIK situation we continued speculating even though Bill said numerous times Panicland was behind the "leaks". 

There's only one thing I don't get. Why did Billie Joe share a whole minute of the song when he said he doesn't know who made TUT. He would have got the point across by way less.

The channel hasn't posted any other videos?

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, Boobooo said:

This time though it has just seemed like Bill is engaging in the classic "The Network isn't Green Day" banter. That's why his comments have ended with "..." and he made the tongue in cheek comment of them sounding "too Canadian". I feel like he's trying to wind us up. 

I honestly don't see why Billie would post a story about TUT if it wasn't relevant. It just seems pointless. Why try and generate hype for a song that isn't Green Day or The Network? 

I wholeheartedly agree, I mean why would Bill say shit about it sounding Canadian if he weren't trying to stir it up?

[Boobooo]

I've listened to The Countdown's On clip a few more times and I'm even more convinced it's Billie and co now. 

There's certain inflections and mannerisms  Billie has in his singing that are so so difficult to replicate. Panicland came the closest I've heard but even then there were way more suspect signs that it wasn't actually Billie in the MOOTIK clips. 

The way he sings "out looking for redress" in this clip and slightly extends the "s" sound - that to me is a signature Billie thing. Not something that everyone would pick up on or think of replicating. 

I want to hear the whole damn song now, it sounds bloody epic. This and TUT could shape up to be two of the best songs the guys have released in some time (if they are in fact the doing of the guys). 

[AnonymWarnerGermany]

Ok, I'll admit it too. I faked the whole 21st century breakdown album. 😕 I'm sorry.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, AnonymWarnerGermany said:

Ok, I'll admit it too. I faked the whole 21st century breakdown album. 😕 I'm sorry.

I faked American Idiot. I'm sorry, thanks for the love!!1!1! LOLCATZ I'm editing a video on it now. ROFLCOPTER

[CannibalRat]

12 minutes ago, green day is said:

The channel hasn't posted any other videos?

The channel deleted them. The first one was some countdown video with a bad Billie impression and the second one was an old clip of John Roecker sitting down.

[Boobooo]

While we're at the fake album confessions...

Guys, I'm so sorry, but I faked Bullet In A Bible. It was me and a few randomers I plucked off the street wearing Green Day costumes. We were pretty damn convincing though right??

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Boobooo said:

While we're at the fake album confessions...

Guys, I'm so sorry, but I faked Bullet In A Bible. It was me and a few randomers I plucked off the street wearing Green Day costumes. We were pretty damn convincing though right??

Damn you got me... Guess the theory is dead now...

EDIT: Listening to BIAB just now I can see that the voice singing is just a really bad impression of Billie lol.