nopride84 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 About Obama’s election in 2008, Armstrong I am optimistic, as long as these right-wing conservative assholes don’t try to ruin things for people. also supportted john kerry so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 hours ago, nopride84 said: About Obama’s election in 2008, Armstrong I am optimistic, as long as these right-wing conservative assholes don’t try to ruin things for people. also supportted john kerry so.. Those are facts but the environment is also a one dimensional two party system. Most US presidential debates have looked like giant kindergarten students with grey hair whining about each other. I still don't understand why people vote at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nopride84 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Sheenius said: Those are facts but the environment is also a one dimensional two party system. Most US presidential debates have looked like giant kindergarten students with grey hair whining about each other. I still don't understand why people vote at all... um to exercise our right as an american citizen and to take part in the government thats for the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 For evidence of Bush being right just look at how he and his cronies have ran my state when he was governor and how his lackeys have continued to keep it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunt Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Billie did vote third party in 2000. I don’t know if anyone mentioned that. He said something along the lines in 2004 that he was hoping that Ralph Nader could get 5% of the vote so that the Green Party could get federal funding and give the US a 3 party system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Cunt said: Billie did vote third party in 2000. I don’t know if anyone mentioned that. He said something along the lines in 2004 that he was hoping that Ralph Nader could get 5% of the vote so that the Green Party could get federal funding and give the US a 3 party system. I have seen one article or two from around 2000 when Billie talks about Nader specifically. I do think he has mentioned independents in the past as well. Sadly, I am not the super fan I once was and do not archive every single GD article I have ever read anymore. 3 hours ago, WhiteTim said: For evidence of Bush being right just look at how he and his cronies have ran my state when he was governor and how his lackeys have continued to keep it up... There's no doubt that Bush is right. I don't know who he's trying to fool right now trying to play like he's more left than he really is. Ask those affected by hurricane Katrina what they think of Bush. There was no way to pin a natural disaster on terrorizers so he just walked around the entire situation. I remember watching the clips of the devastation and I watched a documentary about how that entire situation was neglected by Bush and the federal government in the US. The next day I bought American Idiot. I had been listening to the album for an entire year prior but that moment motivated me to go out and buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottnz6789 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 My Goodness what a silly question and a silly waste of time. Only MAGA morons and those whom are too ignorant to read openly associate ‘left wing’ politics directly to the communism and repression that is seen in China. Fact a number of Eastern European Countries are left, they still have freedom of speech, market economies and lower levels of poverty. With respect to all Americans a number of you are so busy focussing on the bubble that is America you truly are ‘American Idiots’ For example in NZ we have universal health care in fact according to numbers I’ve heard health care costs 1/3 of what it does in America. For most people a visit to the doctor is under $50 and medicines are generally free or a few dollars per prescription. But yet in the US it seems you guys seem to think that socialised medicine will deliver much lower quality care and that you are on a path to communism. Which not only is factually incorrect but is also Fucking nuts. The fear that Americans have of government means they think paying a corporation money is going to have a better outcome, really? Freedom of Speech and Liberty are not exclusive to one side of politics. The problem in America is if your a Republican the Dems are evil and if your a Dem Republicans are evil. All I can say is be ready to read more question stuff and challenge it. But if your not willing to look at other countries like Canada, like Sweden, Like NZ and accept that they are ‘left’ while not being ravaging communists you’re never going anywhere. As for Green Day they are lefties most Californians are. Difference is America is so right wing that even a moderate lefty seems extreme to all republicans and a number of democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hermione Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Cunt said: It’s pretty evident that people like to act like they know what they’re talking about here but most of them don’t when you go onto this thread. I don't know much but I know Green Day aren't a right wing band lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Sheenius said: Based on a lot of the movements I've seen atleast up here in Canada I would say neither the right or left supporters are advocates for promoting rights and liberties for all. Radical movements are starting to grow (similar to the movements seen in pre World War 2) and the left radical movement is to take away the economic freedoms of investors and workers. The right does the exact same thing as well though but it's hidden behind populist rhetoric. Right wingers will go after immigrants (who happen to be the workers and investors I'm speaking of) and cut social services - especially those that serve needs of the poor. Our right wing mayor in Toronto vowed to clean up the city and give the citizens of Toronto what they deserve. Taxes have been raised by 50% within 4 years and the homeless population has doubled. Where's the money going? As I said before I'm neither right or left nor am I a centrist. We shouldn't leave those in need out on the street to die - social democracies such as Denmark have been great at taking care of their people however, it starts to get extreme when we're catering to the wants of those in need. We should all have access to healthcare, food and shelter but no, what you want doesn't matter. Begging hands and bleeding hearts are now trying to dictate the conditions of the welfare of their environment. Your power is money and when you are being gifted that don't bite the hand that feeds. "Begging hands and bleeding hearts will always cry out for more". I wanted to throw this in as well - I am a big supporter of the Ontario Works program which is a welfare program here for those who work. Essentially when broken down the definition of this program is an income tax exemption. Those on low wages are basically receiving their income tax sent back to them as a means to pay their rent and living expenses. This is a great program, these people are workers and are in need. They are not a burden on the system imo nor are they contributors. They did technically earn what is paid back to them. I mean, right and left are very subjective terms that means different things in different countries. I am just talking about here in the U.S. since that is where Green Day is based. And what people think of as "radical left" here would probably be centrist in most nations LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 11 hours ago, 1039Revolutions said: Agreed! It's funny you're agreeing with @Cunt when his statement directly applies to you 11 hours ago, Sheenius said: As I said before I'm neither right or left nor am I a centrist. We shouldn't leave those in need out on the street to die - social democracies such as Denmark have been great at taking care of their people however, it starts to get extreme when we're catering to the wants of those in need. If you're advocating for social democracy, you're advocating for left wing politics. Doesn't exactly seem like a centrist opinion 11 hours ago, Sheenius said: I still don't understand why people vote at all... Sorry but I can't take the political opinions of someone who doesn't think voting is worth doing seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Christian's Inferno! said: It's funny you're agreeing with @Cunt when his statement directly applies to you That's exactly what I was thinking ahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said: It's funny you're agreeing with @Cunt when his statement directly applies to you I can't believe this person who, even for all the things he has said here that don't make sense to me, at least agrees Trump is a problem, is agreeing with someone who was basically worshipping Trump in another thread. I guess they were right about politics making strange bedfellows LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 This thread is fucking awful to read and perfectly shows why American politics is so broken. The rest of the West isn't far behind but America really is a different level of shit isn't it? People genuinely thinking Biden is an alternative to Trump is so laughable its ridiculous. I beg people actually understand politics before chiming in with shit and outright wrong statements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunt Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Hermione said: I don't know much but I know Green Day aren't a right wing band lol Oh they aren’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarriedtoMikeDirnt Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe. said: This thread is fucking awful to read and perfectly shows why American politics is so broken. The rest of the West isn't far behind but America really is a different level of shit isn't it? People genuinely thinking Biden is an alternative to Trump is so laughable its ridiculous. I beg people actually understand politics before chiming in with shit and outright wrong statements Wait, are you serious? I know you didn't just say that Trump is better than Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, MarriedtoMikeDirnt said: Wait, are you serious? I know you didn't just say that Trump is better than Biden. Biden and Trump are both a bad choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarriedtoMikeDirnt Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, Little Boy Named Booze said: Biden and Trump are both a bad choice. Yeah, but one's a fascist. Not to mention many other horrible things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, MarriedtoMikeDirnt said: Yeah, but one's a fascist. Not to mention many other horrible things. Biden is like Joey and Trump is an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarriedtoMikeDirnt Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said: Biden is like Joey and Trump is an asshole. Oh, but they're both pedos. This 2020 election isn't even based off character (they both suck), it's just a battle of policy. In a brief observation of what the fascist has done, and what he wants to do, you'll see that Biden is clearly the better option. If we weren't focused on getting Trump out of office, third party voting would be the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Yes, neither Biden nor Trump are model citizens LOL, but I agree that Trump is a fascist and poses an existential threat to American democracy, and there's an awful lot of evidence to back that up. Our problems go beyond Trump, but getting rid of him is a necessary first step. I also believe that Biden will implement much better policies. Where is this stuff about Biden being a pedophile coming from? Biden has credible sexual assault allegations against him--namely one from a former staffer that is very concerning and was never investigated thanks to 2020 being a shit storm--but I have never heard anything credible linking him to child sex abuse. This sounds like a QAnon conspiracy, and if that is spreading on here I am very concerned. Also, someone please check out Trump's comments about his own daughters and his behavior with teenagers at the Miss Teen USA pageant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarriedtoMikeDirnt Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said: Yes, neither Biden nor Trump are model citizens LOL, but I agree that Trump is a fascist and poses an existential threat to American democracy, and there's an awful lot of evidence to back that up. Our problems go beyond Trump, but getting rid of him is a necessary first step. I also believe that Biden will implement much better policies. Where is this stuff about Biden being a pedophile coming from? Biden has credible sexual assault allegations against him--namely one from a former staffer that is very concerning and was never investigated thanks to 2020 being a shit storm--but I have never heard anything credible linking him to child sex abuse. This sounds like a QAnon conspiracy, and if that is spreading on here I am very concerned. Also, someone please check out Trump's comments about his own daughters and his behavior with teenagers at the Miss Teen USA pageant. You're correct about the Biden thing. It's a conspiracy theory that the Trump administration uses as propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 If Biden literally does NOTHING in office, he'd still be preferable to Trump who actively makes things worse for everyone who's not a billionaire. And Biden isn't going to do NOTHING. If we take climate change: Yes, Biden sucks but he will do stuff for climate change. He won't do enough but Trump will literally do zero for climate and in fact will make things even worse for climate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Let just say that he really like child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said: Let just say that he really like child. I demand to see proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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