1039Revolutions Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Now, I understand there are people reading this that are like.. āwhat are you talking about? Of course Green Day is a left-wing band! Billie Joe himself supports the swing left cause!ā So, please hear me out on this and why Iām asking this question... Iām sure like most of you, Iāve been following Green Day for many years.. and as many of you know, Billie can get pretty political on the š during their set, specifically when they get to songs like holiday. However, saying things like āThis song is a big fuck you to all the politiciansā and āDonāt let these bastards dictate your livesā is supporting a Right-Wing message, not Left-Wing. Also, when it comes to freedom of speech, and censorship, Green Day have always been very vocal in their support for saying what you want and standing up for what you believe in! That is NOT traditionally left-wing. Left-wing countries like China and Russia are opposed to most free-speech and human rights! There is no doubt Billie and the band have supported progressive taxation and universal health care (government sponsored healthcare), but aside from that, their positions have seemingly been more right-wing and libertarian (supporters of certain drugs being legalized, and gay rights) in my view. Iām not too sure where they stand on abortion rights, thatās one area I donāt remember hearing any opinions from them, but all in all, Iād say they are a āmoderately rightā band. I know they are adamant about helping get rid of Donald Trump, but I donāt think thatās a big testament to their true beliefs.. just trying to get a degenerate out of the White House! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 9:23 PM, 1039Revolutions said: Iām sure like most of you, Iāve been following Green Day for many years.. and as many of you know, Billie can get pretty political on the š during their set, specifically when they get to songs like holiday. However, saying things like āThis song is a big fuck you to all the politiciansā and āDonāt let these bastards dictate your livesā is supporting a Right-Wing message, not Left-Wing. Expand Actually it sounds like more of an anarchist message than it does left or right wing. Left and right wing to their extremes both include social control. The only philosophy in politics that doesn't include social control would be anarchy (assuming that we're talking about the true form of anarchy and not anarcho-communism). I wouldn't spend too much time thinking about left or right. The smartest people in the world don't see politics as a battle between left, right and center. To view the world's dynamics in this way is to be politically and philosophically color blind. On 10/18/2020 at 9:23 PM, 1039Revolutions said: Also, when it comes to freedom of speech, and censorship, Green Day have always been very vocal in their support for saying what you want and standing up for what you believe in! That is NOT traditionally left-wing. Left-wing countries like China and Russia are opposed to most free-speech and human rights! Expand Yet NDP supporters in Canada won't shut the fuck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilshootdawg Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 9:23 PM, 1039Revolutions said: Left-wing countries like China and Russia Expand snort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1039Revolutions Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 9:29 PM, Sheenius said: Actually it sounds like more of an anarchist message than it does left or right wing. Left and right wing to their extremes both include social control. The only philosophy in politics that doesn't include social control would be anarchy (assuming that we're talking about the true form of anarchy and not anarcho-communism). I wouldn't spend too much time thinking about left or right. The smartest people in the world don't see politics as a battle between left, right and center. To view the world's dynamics in this way is to be politically and philosophically color blind. Yet NDP supporters in Canada won't shut the fuck up. Expand Lol, very true comment about NDP supporters. I donāt necessarily believe in the battle of the left VS right, and I think itās perfectly logical to have views from both sides, and be a moderate. There is definitely a clear difference between the two though! I just think that so many people identify Green Day as this left-wing band these days, but it just seems like theyāve always been advocates of real freedom and traditionally right-wing Americana, which I think is great! I just donāt understand this āswing-leftā thing, unless itās solely to remove dip-shit from office, which I think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 9:23 PM, 1039Revolutions said: Now, I understand there are people reading this that are like.. āwhat are you talking about? Of course Green Day is a left-wing band! Expand This thread should have stopped here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilshootdawg Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 9:54 PM, green day is said: This thread should have stopped here. Expand They clearly haven't listened to American Idiot. Honestly reading this I just was like "mmhmm" then I read them calling Russia and China left wing and just laughed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1039Revolutions Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 9:54 PM, lilshootdawg said: They clearly haven't listened to American Idiot. Honestly reading this I just was like "mmhmm" then I read them calling Russia and China left wing and just laughed. Expand China is a communist country, and Russia is pretty close. Very few people in China are allowed to own property, and they have very few human rights. Why would you laugh at that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilshootdawg Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 10:05 PM, 1039Revolutions said: China is a communist country, and Russia is pretty close. Very few people in China are allowed to own property, and they have very few human rights. Why would you laugh at that? Expand Laughed at you calling them left wing. They are like the fucking farthest thing from left wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Obviously, Billie is a fascist. He does a nazi salute in this video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1039Revolutions Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 10:05 PM, lilshootdawg said: Laughed at you calling them left wing. Expand Not being able to own private property, and not having basic human rights are left-wing ideologies. Do you not know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Because I really don't care about politics, I'll just wish for all of you a good debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilshootdawg Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 10:07 PM, 1039Revolutions said: Not being able to own private property, and not having basic human rights are left-wing ideologies. Do you not know this? Expand Yes left wing is totally not about human rights. LGTBQ+ people's right being advocated isn't totally advocated by them. Totally not. /s /s means that the sentence was sarcasm I've never heard of not being able to own private property and not having basic human rights as left-wing ideologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1039Revolutions Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 10:09 PM, lilshootdawg said: Yes left wing is totally not about human rights. LGTBQ+ people's right being advocated isn't totally advocated by them. Totally not. /s /s means that the sentence was sarcasm Expand The idea that the left-wing are the supporters of LGBT rights and the right wing is opposed is a huge misconception. Most communist/left-wing countries donāt have any human rights laws. In China, your landlord can evict you if you are gay and their is no law their to protect you, as is the case in most left-wing counties. The free-market west (Western Europe, Canada, US, Australia) are some of the only countries that protect gay couples by law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilshootdawg Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 10:15 PM, 1039Revolutions said: The idea that the left-wing are the supporters of LGBT rights and the right wing is opposed is a huge misconception. Most communist/left-wing countries donāt have any human rights laws. In China, your landlord can evict you if you are gay and their is no law their to protect you, as is the case in most left-wing counties. The free-market west (Western Europe, Canada, US, Australia) are some of the only countries that protect gay couples by law. Expand I think you need to stop watching too much Alex Jones. Just some life advice. Wait no I think you need to stop watching Alex Jones in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 10:15 PM, 1039Revolutions said: The idea that the left-wing are the supporters of LGBT rights and the right wing is opposed is a huge misconception. Most communist/left-wing countries donāt have any human rights laws. In China, your landlord can evict you if you are gay and their is no law their to protect you, as is the case in most left-wing counties. The free-market west (Western Europe, Canada, US, Australia) are some of the only countries that protect gay couples by law. Expand Lmao youāre not being serious are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilshootdawg Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Also https://www.mobilize.us/swingleft/event/345167/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1039Revolutions Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 10:20 PM, WhiteTim said: Lmao youāre not being serious are you? Expand Umm, what did I say that was wrong here? Iām not talking about traditional āliberalsā vs āconservativesā .. yes Iām well aware traditional conservatives are more opposed to LGBT rights than liberals. Iām talking about the right (not necessarily traditional conservativesā vs the left (not necessarily traditional liberals). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilshootdawg Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 10:20 PM, WhiteTim said: Lmao youāre not being serious are you? Expand You can't recover them man, they are too far gone down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Well defining a political spectrum can be very relative. For example I would never consider Putinās and Russian policies as left wing, as I donāt consider the Chinese communist party as something that has anything to share with neither Marxism nor contemporary left wing thinking, policy and philosophy. So my view of world politics already heavily differ from yours. Politics is also a spectrum, so both left wing and right wing can have authoritarian extremes, as well as libertarian ones. There is social anarchism as well as anarcho-capitalism, and everything that sits in the middle. From my Western European understanding of politics, and looking at the American context, Green Day without any doubt fits the left wing area of libertarianism. Even tho we are still talking about a punk rock band and not a political scientist, so everything can be quite fuzzy. Sounds like you are making the assumption that supporting libertarian policies is in conflict with being left wing, but thatās a very limited view of western politics that clashes with contemporary history IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montclare Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 American politics, at its most basic is - Democrat/liberal= left wing Republican/conservative= right wing Left tends to be pro-choice, pro-immigrant, pro-BLM, pro-LGBTQ+. Right, not so much. Pretty easy to put GD in the left side. Again, this is looking at American politics, not Russia, China, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1039Revolutions Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 10:42 PM, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: Well defining a political spectrum can be very relative. For example I would never consider Putinās and Russian policies as left wing, as I donāt consider the Chinese communist party as something that has anything to share with neither Marxism nor contemporary left wing thinking, policy and philosophy. So my view of world politics already heavily differ from yours. Politics is also a spectrum, so both left wing and right wing can have authoritarian extremes, as well as libertarian ones. There is social anarchism as well as anarcho-capitalism, and everything that sits in the middle. From my Western European understanding of politics, and looking at the American context, Green Day without any doubt fits the left wing area of libertarianism. Even tho we are still talking about a punk rock band and not a political scientist, so everything can be quite fuzzy. Sounds like you are making the assumption that supporting libertarian policies is in conflict with being left wing, but thatās a very limited view of western politics that clashes with contemporary history IMHO. Expand I have to disagree with this. Youāre basically saying āthere is no right or left wing, and itās all open to interpretationā, and thatās not true! Youāre right in that there are extremes on both sides, but there are clear cut differences between the right and left. The problem is that the average person has lost sight of what they are! You canāt get on a microphone and say āDonāt let these politician bastards dictate your livesā and āFreeeeedomā and claim to be left wing (a state controlled existence) because itās a complete contradiction. Regardless of what you believe about China, it is a left wing country. Their entire existence and contributions are for the greater good of China, not for their own individual liberties (right-wing ideology). They donāt believe in private property ownership the way we do, and donāt share in the freedoms of things like the internet like we do. You can be arrested for talking badly about the country and their leadership. People have become extremely hung up on the minuscule aspects of the right and left wing, theyāve completely forgot what it means to be either. On 10/18/2020 at 10:39 PM, lilshootdawg said: You can't recover them man, they are too far gone down. Expand If you canāt keep up in a debate, you can just stop talking instead of trying to offend people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilshootdawg Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 11:04 PM, 1039Revolutions said: I have to disagree with this. Youāre basically saying āthere is no right or left wing, and itās all open to interpretationā, and thatās not true! Youāre right in that there are extremes on both sides, but there are clear cut differences between the right and left. The problem is that the average person has lost sight of what they are! You canāt get on a microphone and say āDonāt let these politician bastards dictate your livesā and āFreeeeedomā and claim to be left wing (a state controlled existence) because itās a complete contradiction. Regardless of what you believe about China, it is a left wing country. Their entire existence and contributions are for the greater good of China, not for their own individual liberties (right-wing ideology). They donāt believe in private property ownership the way we do, and donāt share in the freedoms of things like the internet like we do. You can be arrested for talking badly about the country and their leadership. People have become extremely hung up on the minuscule aspects of the right and left wing, theyāve completely forgot what it means to be either. If you canāt keep up in a debate, you can just stop talking instead of trying to offend people. Expand I get 10 dollars they instantly denied it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 10:38 PM, 1039Revolutions said: Umm, what did I say that was wrong here? Iām not talking about traditional āliberalsā vs āconservativesā .. yes Iām well aware traditional conservatives are more opposed to LGBT rights than liberals. Iām talking about the right (not necessarily traditional conservativesā vs the left (not necessarily traditional liberals). Expand China is right wing and has been for at least 40 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1039Revolutions Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 11:15 PM, WhiteTim said: China is right wing and has been for at least 40 years... Expand Wow! The misconception is real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilshootdawg Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 11:16 PM, 1039Revolutions said: Wow! The misconception is real! Expand Now that's 5 more dollars and let's see if we ask them for sources if I get another 5. So where's your sources? Reputable sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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