Joe. Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 36 minutes ago, Sheenius said: Uno sold more than Rev Rad lol RevRad wasn't much of a success either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said: I mean, we're not really talking about the quality of the project here. We're talking about its commercial success and by their standards, they did poorly in terms of commercial success - below average album sales/chart positions, all singles after Oh Love got very little attention and charted low. They also received worse critical reception. On Metacritic, Uno Dos and Tré had the lowest Metascore and User score of all their other studio albums. Dos & Tré also did far worse than Uno which already performed below their usual average Uno sold more than RevRad, but in a 2012 context where A) Green Day were more popular - 21CB was only 3 years old and did fairly well commercially, especially with the success of 21 Guns. B) Albums sold more - In 2016 people don't buy albums as much because of streaming. RevRad did better in terms of streaming than the trilogy as a result I think RevRad did about what was expected. People, including the band, expected the trilogy to do better than it did. But a lot of people were mixed about the quality of the albums and the iHeart incident/rehab/cancelling tour dates had a significant effect too. While albums did sell more in 2012 than 2016 as a whole, the first week sales were roughly the same for both albums so I would say it's comparable. The rock music market dropped and then stabilized and hasn't really changed all that much in that time. Rev Rad will hit Gold too in a similar timeline. The trilogy gets it's black mark and lack of commercial success by what followed Uno. The Iheartradio incident definitely affected public appeal. My local stations were pushing Uno like crazy Kill The DJ saw airtime, Let Yourself Go was in rotation for a couple weeks and Oh Love was all over all stations. Once Clear Channel blacklisted them that really hurt them and they'll never really have a Top 100 hit ever again cause of it. Clear Channel is pure evil. 3 hours ago, Joe. said: RevRad wasn't much of a success either Depends what you're considering as a success. As a rock album it did well. It wasn't the highest selling of the decade but it sold top 50 in the decade among other rock albums. It did hit quite an achievement noted in first week of sales that 90% of sales were actually physical. If you're judging it in general across all genres then you're correct but no album since 21cb can be considered successful. Even 21cb itself wasn't overly successful. It did well enough to make an impact. For it to be comparable to American Idiot they would have had to sell another 1.5 million copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Joe. said: RevRad wasn't much of a success either RevRad sold more than FOAM. See a trend? 🙁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 3 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: RevRad sold more than FOAM. See a trend? 🙁 exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 3 hours ago, WhiteTim said: RIAA who certifies albums gold or platinum has nothing listed for Uno what’s your source? RegionCertificationCertified units/sales Austria (IFPI Austria)[82]Gold10,000* Canada (Music Canada)[83]Gold40,000^ Germany (BVMI)[84]Gold100,000^ Italy (FIMI)[85]Gold30,000* Japan (RIAJ)[86]Gold100,000^ Poland (ZPAV)[87]Gold10,000* United Kingdom (BPI)[88]Gold100,000^ Wikipedia. 2 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said: I mean, we're not really talking about the quality of the project here. We're talking about its commercial success and by their standards, they did poorly in terms of commercial success - below average album sales/chart positions, all singles after Oh Love got very little attention and charted low. They also received worse critical reception. On Metacritic, Uno Dos and Tré had the lowest Metascore and User score of all their other studio albums. Dos & Tré also did far worse than Uno which already performed below their usual average Uno sold more than RevRad, but in a 2012 context where A) Green Day were more popular - 21CB was only 3 years old and did fairly well commercially, especially with the success of 21 Guns. B) Albums sold more - In 2016 people don't buy albums as much because of streaming. RevRad did better in terms of streaming than the trilogy as a result I think RevRad did about what was expected. People, including the band, expected the trilogy to do better than it did. But a lot of people were mixed about the quality of the albums and the iHeart incident/rehab/cancelling tour dates had a significant effect too. If Billie would have had one less beer, we could be in a whole different world right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, That Dude said: If Billie would have had one less beer, we could be in a whole different world right now. One less Xanax maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: One less Xanax maybe One less drink and one less pill, everything in moderation. Except Trilogies. We could be on the tail end of a THIRD trilogy by now, it would be amazing! The songs on Rev Rad and FOAM could have been part of those trilogies. 2016: Soul Searching Trilogy: Crunchy Cinco! Sexy Seis! Siete Revolutions Tonight! The second one is a Network record, but crustpunk/disco. Super nasty and twisted. The third is Revolution Radio but with more Trilogy vibe to it. because that's what we want all the time forever now. 2020: The Wild Animals Trilogy: Ocho! Nueve! Diez! In this trilogy, the second album is a combination of Longshot style songs and some country-ish ones as well. Ocho is FOAM. Diez is the future of Green Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 9 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: RevRad sold more than FOAM. See a trend? 🙁 It’s a downward spiral, they’ve been unsuccessful since 21CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe. said: It’s a downward spiral, they’ve been unsuccessful since 21CB. I'm not saying they haven't become less successful, they have, but if you look at any artist's album sales in the last ten years they're pretty much all on a "downward spiral" because no one buys albums anymore and sales continue to drastically decrease by the year. Comparing sales from 2009, 2012, 2016 and 2020 is almost worthless, pick any of even the most successful artists out there (or compare currently big new artist's album sales with big artist's sales ten years ago) and you'll see a decline. I wouldn't describe a band that sells concert tickets like they do as "unsuccessful". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 17 minutes ago, Hermione said: I'm not saying they haven't become less successful, they have, but if you look at any artist's album sales in the last ten years they're pretty much all on a "downward spiral" because no one buys albums anymore and sales continue to drastically decrease by the year. Comparing sales from 2009, 2012, 2016 and 2020 is almost worthless, pick any of even the most successful artists out there (or compare currently big new artist's album sales with big artist's sales ten years ago) and you'll see a decline. I wouldn't describe a band that sells concert tickets like they do as "unsuccessful". Eh its not necessarily a numbers thing, once you get a fanbase as large as Green Day's its kinda irrelevant, the core fanbase will push you to the top of the charts the first week or two. They certainly sell more tickets than most artists, they're a professional band. I would say they're no longer a stadium band, Hyde Park "sold out" on the day and their previous headline tours have been arenas. Did the US RevRad tour struggle to sell tickets or am I imagining that? Seem to remember lots of dates didn't sell out but might be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 11 hours ago, That Dude said: If Billie would have had one less beer, we could be in a whole different world right now. 10 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: One less Xanax maybe I wouldn't say Trilogy would be a huge hit if it wasn't for iHeart, but I do wonder what GD's music would be like if Billie wouldn't get into his "party album" mode. Maybe he'd be playing prog rock now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke Hanamura Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Some of us say that Green Day isn’t doing well nowadays, yet we forget that streaming has made the amount of album sales the boys have kind of a norm. Plus, they get ticket sales up the wazoo. Why do we get so down about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Yosuke Hanamura said: Some of us say that Green Day isn’t doing well nowadays, yet we forget that streaming has made the amount of album sales the boys have kind of a norm. Plus, they get ticket sales up the wazoo. Why do we get so down about them? It could be a lot worse, they're still playing arenas. But they've certainly fallen off a far amount, they've got the cult status to carry them through pretty much anything at this point tho. When a tour comes around for everyone they're at least the band that wrote Dookie and American Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 3:25 AM, Joe. said: Eh its not necessarily a numbers thing, once you get a fanbase as large as Green Day's its kinda irrelevant, the core fanbase will push you to the top of the charts the first week or two. They certainly sell more tickets than most artists, they're a professional band. I would say they're no longer a stadium band, Hyde Park "sold out" on the day and their previous headline tours have been arenas. Did the US RevRad tour struggle to sell tickets or am I imagining that? Seem to remember lots of dates didn't sell out but might be wrong. Can't speak on other cities but it sold out here in Toronto and was one of the biggest shows I've been to at that venue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Sheenius said: Can't speak on other cities but it sold out here in Toronto and was one of the biggest shows I've been to at that venue Seem to remember threads at the time saying US arenas still hadn't sold out, not 100% tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Joe. said: Seem to remember threads at the time saying US arenas still hadn't sold out, not 100% tho I remember that mostly in regards to there being some available lawn seats at amphitheaters, odd places like Alabama that might not have technically sold out and also larger stadiums like Rose Bowl that had to be reconfigured a bit to fill the space. There was definitely a concern on that tour that they could have been selling out more than they were. It led in part to the change of management decision so they could do a stadium tour and sell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 I honestly don't see the point of wanting to fill stadiums so badly that there has to be the co-headlining shit show instead of a normal tour. The stadiums still weren't selling out. Wouldn't it just be less embarrassing to accept that they're not as popular anymore? They still make a decent amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: I honestly don't see the point of wanting to fill stadiums so badly that there has to be the co-headlining shit show instead of a normal tour. The stadiums still weren't selling out. Wouldn't it just be less embarrassing to accept that they're not as popular anymore? They still make a decent amount. Yeah I get it. Not sure why this is such a big deal to them as something they want to accomplish, especially when they have headlined their share of a few stadiums over the course of their career, just not a whole tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Yeah I get it. Not sure why this is such a big deal to them as something they want to accomplish, especially when they have headlined their share of a few stadiums over the course of their career, just not a whole tour. Exactly. They’ve been there at a time when they didn’t have to bend over backwards to fill the stadiums. So I just don’t get why do they have to try so hard now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 There's nothing wrong with playing arenas, they've got the status now to be able to pretty much always get them nearly full regardless of what they release. I think the Hella Mega tour was just a "we can so we will" situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Green Day draws a crowd but they don't have the status of arena filler like the Stones, McCartney, U2, Roger Waters, etc. Maybe they will someday when the major chunk of their fan group is older and can afford those kind of venues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyroger Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 I think if the albums were successful we would've just gotten the longshot but under Green Days name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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