Green Day'll be part of PlayOn Fest

[Joe.]

33 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I don’t understand why are so many of you upset with the idea that someone says they’d like to see the whole band. What’s wrong with that?

Yeah it'd be nice, just saying they could've done a lot less than what they've done. I'm a big fan of Foos and they've done nothing but none of their fans are complaining. Just seems a little ungrateful.

8 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Because that's not all that's being said lol. Saying it would be cool to see the whole band vs saying they're sitting on their asses and complaining that everything they do isn't enough. It's a much different implication. 

We're not a charity case who needs their care lol.  If they feel like performing it's cool, if not also cool. They shouldn't be held under any expectation to perform a certain amount outside of playing on albums we buy or doing shows we buy tickets for. I've enjoyed Billie's performances and respect Mike and Tre's choice of whether they want to join in with stuff or not, particularly as it isn't that easy to do in these circumstances. Before Billie started doing performances there was whining as well and it left a bit of a bitter taste when he did start, instead of being a cool thing to appreciate people are seeing it as the bare minimum so now the whining continues. I'm just not expecting anything and enjoying what we get. 

Exactly, it would be really cool if they did it as a whole band. It would be really cool if they released loads of old material. It would be really cool if Billie came to my house to deliver supplies. But they've already put out some really cool stuff and they could've done a whole lot less.

[Beerjeezus]

7 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Because that's not all that's being said lol. Saying it would be cool to see the whole band vs saying they're sitting on their asses and complaining that everything they do isn't enough. It's a much different implication. 

We're not a charity case who needs their care lol.  If they feel like performing it's cool, if not also cool. They shouldn't be held under any expectation to perform a certain amount outside of playing on albums we buy or doing shows we buy tickets for. I've enjoyed Billie's performances and respect Mike and Tre's choice of whether they want to join in with stuff or not, particularly as it isn't that easy to do in these circumstances. Before Billie started doing performances there was whining as well and it left a bit of a bitter taste when he did start, instead of being a cool thing to appreciate people are seeing it as the bare minimum so now the whining continues. I'm just not expecting anything and enjoying what we get. 

Fair enough, I see it more as a wording difference than intentional malice.
It’s not a charity, but a band isn’t a bakery. It’s not as simple as “one rye bread please” “here you go it’s 2.50”.

[Beyza]

7 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I don’t understand why are so many of you upset with the idea that someone says they’d like to see the whole band. What’s wrong with that?

I think it’s really natural for a fan to have some expectations or just simple wishes from their favorite band and of course they’re allowed to do what they want or just not do anything for a while, and everyone will be cool with it since there is no any other chance for us anyway, that kind of stuff won’t make them lazy or careless imo though. Yeah, still fans can just wish what ever they want, especially in those extreme times, real artists are usually good at giving people some hope and even make their life less painful by their powerful songs. It’s reminded me of his recent quote too lol not really about this situation specifically but that was ‘never give your fans what they want’ or something. I think there is actually a deeper meaning in this statement too if you really try to see from his perspective, it’s not just a random saying, I mean lol 

[Hermione]

22 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Fair enough, I see it more as a wording difference than intentional malice.
It’s not a charity, but a band isn’t a bakery. It’s not as simple as “one rye bread please” “here you go it’s 2.50”.

Yeah nobody's being overly malicious or whatever. I just don't think there's any point in having set expectations of what they'll do during a unique situation like this, there is no set particular amount of stuff that bands "should" do so you only set yourself up for disappointment. 

[pacejunkie punk]

My goodness this thing has gotten blown out of proportion. Okay, let me start over and be real. Maybe this should even be in the blasphemy thread or a new discussion altogether if people want to debate. But because I’ve had time to analyze my own concerns and understand them better I want to give this another shot:

This is not about “entitlement”, what I want or expect or even about the fans at all. It’s not about me it’s about the three of them.  

I think I’m hypersensitive to what I’m seeing right now because I believe that the quarantine has exposed the cracks in the foundation of Green Day, and that is how Billie Joe has done much of the work of the band for a long time now.  Which is why I think excuses for why Mike and Tre don’t appear motivated to work like “they have kids” or “it’s too hard to do” don’t fly with me because it’s about more than just right now.  

I’ve suspected since the start of 2018 that they haven’t been on the same page musically and that since moving physically away from each other they’ve worked together much less.  Billie was writing music for Green Day towards the end of the RevRad tour excited to move on quickly and then in 2018 the brakes were applied. Side projects used to be something they all got involved with as a way to boost their group creativity but Tre wasn’t in The Coverups and neither Mike nor Tre were in Longshot (a project they both entirely ignored) and Billie was off with the Longshot project for over four months.  For years they were known as a tight knit band both professionally and personally and it’s the thing that’s made them special.  They are at their best when they work together.  And they’ve had their biggest problems in the past as a band when Billie has isolated himself and tried to do it all alone.  

Maybe it explains some of the disconnect people have felt over the FOAM era, that they seem bored or less into doing promotion, the music may reflect some sort of odd musical compromise that they’re not fully on board with themselves I don’t know.  Maybe I’m a conspiracy theorist or this all ties in somehow.

Nobody needs to beat me up for my comments. We can agree to disagree on whatever the reality may be because we really never know what is going on behind the scenes. I just think a lot of people were missing my point and maybe I could have explained it more clearly but I’m only just trying to make sense of it myself.

[Joe.]

24 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

My goodness this thing has gotten blown out of proportion. Okay, let me start over and be real. Maybe this should even be in the blasphemy thread or a new discussion altogether if people want to debate. But because I’ve had time to analyze my own concerns and understand them better I want to give this another shot:

This is not about “entitlement”, what I want or expect or even about the fans at all. It’s not about me it’s about the three of them.  

I think I’m hypersensitive to what I’m seeing right now because I believe that the quarantine has exposed the cracks in the foundation of Green Day, and that is how Billie Joe has done much of the work of the band for a long time now.  Which is why I think excuses for why Mike and Tre don’t appear motivated to work like “they have kids” or “it’s too hard to do” don’t fly with me because it’s about more than just right now.  

I’ve suspected since the start of 2018 that they haven’t been on the same page musically and that since moving physically away from each other they’ve worked together much less.  Billie was writing music for Green Day towards the end of the RevRad tour excited to move on quickly and then in 2018 the brakes were applied. Side projects used to be something they all got involved with as a way to boost their group creativity but Tre wasn’t in The Coverups and neither Mike nor Tre were in Longshot (a project they both entirely ignored) and Billie was off with the Longshot project for over four months.  For years they were known as a tight knit band both professionally and personally and it’s the thing that’s made them special.  They are at their best when they work together.  And they’ve had their biggest problems in the past as a band when Billie has isolated himself and tried to do it all alone.  

Maybe it explains some of the disconnect people have felt over the FOAM era, that they seem bored or less into doing promotion, the music may reflect some sort of odd musical compromise that they’re not fully on board with themselves I don’t know.  Maybe I’m a conspiracy theorist or this all ties in somehow.

Nobody needs to beat me up for my comments. We can agree to disagree on whatever the reality may be because we really never know what is going on behind the scenes. I just think a lot of people were missing my point and maybe I could have explained it more clearly but I’m only just trying to make sense of it myself.

So because Billie's had side projects and he's done solo stuff during quarantine there's cracks in the foundation of Green Day? I'm not trying to beat you up its just really not that deep at all. If they didn't want to do stuff together, they wouldn't do stuff together. Most bands see their members go off and do other stuff when the band's not active. Josh Homme has done the desert sessions and an Iggy Pop record when QOTSA weren't active, Dave Grohl collaborates with every artist under the sun in Foos off time. I don't think there's reason to worry at all  

[Hermione]

Billie's always been the one who very much primarily writes the songs, they could give him more credit than they do in album notes but they just choose not to. I remember articles from when American Idiot came out where they talked about that, how they worked on being more respectful to each other and recognising things like Billie having the additional work of writing all the songs and being the frontman. It's no secret he's always been the primary songwriter and also always been the one who's the biggest workaholic and into doing tons of extra stuff on the side, things like running a record label, producing other band's albums, a clothes line, acting, Pinhead Gunpowder and other side projects. While Mike and Tre have had a couple of side projects but prefer not to do as much extra stuff as Billie. That's ok, there's nothing wrong with them doing different things. They still come together as Green Day as their main thing. 

Also when thinking about recent times you have to remember Mike and Tre have much younger families. Billie with grown up kids and being a workaholic who apparently never stops writing songs was bored/needed a creative outlet between albums. Mike and Tre on the other hand both have young families to take up more of their time and aren't bursting at the seams with songs to get out, so they preferred to take a break. The only reason they're not doing stuff together now is the quarantine, that's literally it. These are unprecedented circumstances and not a good time to judge where the band is at. 

[BillieJoe’sEyelids]

I understand what @pacejunkie punk is saying. I have actually wondered myself if lately Mike and Tre, as they have gotten older, have just lost some of their enthusiasm. It just comes down to the obvious factor that they don’t have the musical drive that Billie does. That’s always been the case, but it just seems more obvious now. For me it’s not a criticism, just an observation. Funny how neither one of them supported or even mentioned/commented on Billie’s recent appearances and covers. I just think they’re not that interested. Hopefully starting on the new music will perk them up again.

[Beerjeezus]

22 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

My goodness this thing has gotten blown out of proportion. Okay, let me start over and be real. Maybe this should even be in the blasphemy thread or a new discussion altogether if people want to debate. But because I’ve had time to analyze my own concerns and understand them better I want to give this another shot:

This is not about “entitlement”, what I want or expect or even about the fans at all. It’s not about me it’s about the three of them.  

I think I’m hypersensitive to what I’m seeing right now because I believe that the quarantine has exposed the cracks in the foundation of Green Day, and that is how Billie Joe has done much of the work of the band for a long time now.  Which is why I think excuses for why Mike and Tre don’t appear motivated to work like “they have kids” or “it’s too hard to do” don’t fly with me because it’s about more than just right now.  

I’ve suspected since the start of 2018 that they haven’t been on the same page musically and that since moving physically away from each other they’ve worked together much less.  Billie was writing music for Green Day towards the end of the RevRad tour excited to move on quickly and then in 2018 the brakes were applied. Side projects used to be something they all got involved with as a way to boost their group creativity but Tre wasn’t in The Coverups and neither Mike nor Tre were in Longshot (a project they both entirely ignored) and Billie was off with the Longshot project for over four months.  For years they were known as a tight knit band both professionally and personally and it’s the thing that’s made them special.  They are at their best when they work together.  And they’ve had their biggest problems in the past as a band when Billie has isolated himself and tried to do it all alone.  

Maybe it explains some of the disconnect people have felt over the FOAM era, that they seem bored or less into doing promotion, the music may reflect some sort of odd musical compromise that they’re not fully on board with themselves I don’t know.  Maybe I’m a conspiracy theorist or this all ties in somehow.

Nobody needs to beat me up for my comments. We can agree to disagree on whatever the reality may be because we really never know what is going on behind the scenes. I just think a lot of people were missing my point and maybe I could have explained it more clearly but I’m only just trying to make sense of it myself.

Yes, I get this. I think you’re right and it doesn’t even seem to be a conspiracy theory, since they’ve pretty much confirmed it by saying FOAM was first written and demoed by Billie and the band joined later to do their part in the studio, but it seems they’ve been working this way at least since the trilogy (compare hlahg vs. cuatro there is a difference). He’s always been the songwriter, but now it seems he’s also more in charge creatively.

Is it necessarily a bad thing though? I mean, it’s always been Billie who was most prolific as an author and overall most involved, so this might only be a natural progress. Maybe we’ll see more of him because he wants to do more and it doesn’t mean there are big issues with it. 

[pacejunkie punk]

10 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Yes, I get this. I think you’re right and it doesn’t even seem to be a conspiracy theory, since they’ve pretty much confirmed it by saying FOAM was first written and demoed by Billie and the band joined later to do their part in the studio, but it seems they’ve been working this way at least since the trilogy (compare hlahg vs. cuatro there is a difference). He’s always been the songwriter, but now it seems he’s also more in charge creatively.

Is it necessarily a bad thing though? I mean, it’s always been Billie who was most prolific as an author and overall most involved, so this might only be a natural progress. Maybe we’ll see more of him because he wants to do more and it doesn’t mean there are big issues with it. 

Is it a bad thing I don’t know, but it does make me sad, because I think Green Day as a band functioning as a team (like they did for American Idiot, you’re right there’s a difference) is a different beast than Billie Joe Armstrong the solo artist. I can like both but they’re not the same. 

[Beerjeezus]

6 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Is it a bad thing I don’t know, but it does make me sad, because I think Green Day as a band functioning as a team (like they did for American Idiot, you’re right there’s a difference) is a different beast than Billie Joe Armstrong the solo artist. I can like both but they’re not the same. 

Yeah that’s true, they were at their best when they worked together more closely as seemed to be the case with AI.

The last time Billie was churning out songs at this rate was when they were working on the trilogy and back then it seemed they were on the same page about it, while now it seems it’s Billie + Butch Walker.

[pacejunkie punk]

14 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Yeah that’s true, they were at their best when they worked together more closely as seemed to be the case with AI.

The last time Billie was churning out songs at this rate was when they were working on the trilogy and back then it seemed they were on the same page about it, while now it seems it’s Billie + Butch Walker.

This is the sense I’m getting too, that he’s sending his completed demos to Butch who is excited and full of ideas and the two are looking forward to getting into the studio together. And Mike and Tre show up to lay down bass and drum tracks. 

[Beerjeezus]

22 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

This is the sense I’m getting too, that he’s sending his completed demos to Butch who is excited and full of ideas and the two are looking forward to getting into the studio together. And Mike and Tre show up to lay down bass and drum tracks. 

I agree... actually, I wonder if this will evolve into Billie Joe becoming better known as a solo artist.

[Guest]

One could say that Green Day has always been about Billie and his ideas, but at least during AI, Mike and Tré were very excited for the material too. With FOAM it just seems like they showed up to record their parts because Green Day is a name that still gets sold. It does really remind one of the trilogy era because it's been like that too, Billie writes shit and tells them what to do and it's done. But during the trilogy the songs at least made more sense than just pure midlife crisis.

"I was a teenage teenager" as Mike shouts his lungs out with "Heee waaas a teenage teenageeeer"... What the fuck yo?

[Beerjeezus]

1 minute ago, Kurthical said:

One could say that Green Day has always been about Billie and his ideas, but at least during AI, Mike and Tré were very excited for the material too. With FOAM it just seems like they showed up to record their parts because Green Day is a name that still gets sold. It does really remind one of the trilogy era because it's been like that too, Billie writes shit and tells them what to do and it's done. But during the trilogy the songs at least made more sense than just pure midlife crisis.

"I was a teenage teenager" as Mike shouts his lungs out with "Heee waaas a teenage teenageeeer"... What the fuck yo?

I bang banged your mom

He bang banged your mom

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I bang banged your mom

He bang banged your mom

Bang bang, give me fame!

[pacejunkie punk]

22 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I agree... actually, I wonder if this will evolve into Billie Joe becoming better known as a solo artist.

All the TV appearances and cover releases do seem almost calculated to gain him more name recognition.  He’s never put himself out there so much under his own name before when it wasn’t a single project.

[Beerjeezus]

37 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

All the TV appearances and cover releases do seem almost calculated to gain him more name recognition.  He’s never put himself out there so much under his own name before when it wasn’t a single project.

That’s true. He did some interviews for ordinary world and revolution radio on his own, but this time around it’s different. He’s never released his solo stuff using the Green Day brand before. 

[jengd]

I agree with some of what @pacejunkie punk is saying but I just want to add a couple of points.

We have always known Billie is the main creator behind Green Day, we had a discussion fairly recently about how he has always insisted all were credited for the music even when it wasn’t really the case if I remember rightly, so I don’t think here is really a big change there.

Bilie has always claimed to have ADHD or something on the spectrum and clearly he is a workaholic, he just can’t stop (you can argue whether that’s a good thing or not) so for him, in this weird time, he is just doing what comes naturally to him, as possibly, are Mike and Tre, it’s just different for them.

We need to remember that they are three different individuals, and, again as they have often said, their band relationship is almost a form of marriage, most relationships go through phases and this may, or not, be a slightly cool phase for them but I have to say, in all the promo we got for the record and tour I got no negative vibes from them, they seemed to be fine to me.

Lastly, we are all living a different life just now so I wouldn’t really want to draw comparisons to anything, just be glad we are getting these covers from Billie and look forward to new music coming at some point. 
 
Sorry, this is getting long, but just wanted to say re “Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day” I think that’s back to him not having that high a profile but also, did anyone else notice, his already long name took up WAY more space on all the ads etc and longer to say on the Global Citizen thing so could be a calculated move, or not.

[Guest]

I wish he had a high enough profile not to be called Billy haha

[pacejunkie punk]

3 minutes ago, Kurthical said:

I wish he had a high enough profile not to be called Billy haha

We’ll know when he’s reached household name status when that stops 😄

And @jengd good points about the different personalities and it being like a marriage with peaks and valleys. That is certainly true.

[Beyza]

1 hour ago, Beerjeezus said:

I agree... actually, I wonder if this will evolve into Billie Joe becoming better known as a solo artist.

I think he is still widely known as Green Day singer but feel like if they won’t come and make an appearance together for a more while, it could start to change eventually. As mentioned before I love Billie is able to create stuff and make an appearance on his own as a singer. Billie has mainly involved in the process of creating the songs on almost all of the albums, like everyone mentioned. You give American Idiot as an example but still seems like he was showing stuff to Mike and Tre mostly in that time either but they supported him for sure by being there together and it’s really great they did cause that time was a real and important turning point in their career. Lastly, Mike mentioned in the recent interview how they have changed their working style so not practicing together all the time anymore like used to since they know each other so well musically, don’t think they need to discuss  and figure out everything together. So, it’s really normal their relationship as a band didn't stay same and evolved with the age. I think they’re doing great now, it’s really bummer we won’t be able to enjoy seeing the whole tour this year. It would be great cause they seemed looking forward to have fun too but when we’ll get them together eventually, it’ll all be wonderful again! 

[desertrose]

schedule for the show

https://www.playonfest.com/

MONDAY, APRIL 27

7:45 PM

Green Day

[Joe.]

Can’t believe the bands splitting up  

If the guys ever see this thread they should make one of these:

 

[desertrose]

That video is from 2016