Guest Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 56 minutes ago, Hermione said: every single thing they do that you don't pay them for is by their own choice and not owed. The only thing they owe is a refund or a rescheduled show. People are allowed to be sad about shows being cancelled but that doesn't mean the band has something to make up to us. Being disappointed about shows being cancelled is understandable. Hoping for the band to do something cool is understandable. Being disappointed that they don't do something and thinking they have something to make up to us not so much. I explicitly said they don't owe us anything, but I'm disappointed they haven't made it up somehow (other than the obvious refunds). Not that they have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, Nightlife said: I explicitly said they don't owe us anything, but I'm disappointed they haven't made it up somehow (other than the obvious refunds). Not that they have to. I just think it might not even occur to them to do something. They're stuck at home and waiting things out like everyone. Billie's only very rarely played songs on his own on social media before, he probably wouldn't think randomly doing that would make up for anything and the idea of doing it probably hasn't even entered his head. It would be nice if they happened to do something (as it always is) but when they're in a limiting situation like this I wouldn't expect it. I think it's nice that Billie's on Instagram encouraging musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Hermione said: They play shows in exchange for our ticket money. If they can't play we'll be refunded, or will get our money's worth when they reschedule. Just like they wouldn't expect us to send them money or do anything else for them even though they're not playing a show for us, we can't expect things from them when they're unable to play due to circumstances beyond their control and we're not paying them. It's not their job to do anything for you for free, every single thing they do that you don't pay them for is by their own choice and not owed. The only thing they owe is a refund or a rescheduled show. This sucks for them as well, they don't get to play and if shows aren't rescheduled they'll lose out on a boatload of money. Playing a show to livestream involves more people than just them and they might not even want to take that risk. Perhaps they're thinking ahead to how they'll probably still be doing a gruelling tour that takes the same amount of time and energy, just later, and getting in some downtime while they can since they can't do much else. People are allowed to be sad about shows being cancelled but that doesn't mean the band has something to make up to us. Being disappointed about shows being cancelled is understandable. Hoping for the band to do something cool is understandable. Being disappointed that they don't do something and thinking they have something to make up to us not so much. I have to disagree... It is their job to promote their album, their, their management’s and Warner’s too. It has nothing to do with owing us, it’s their business, after all, it’s not us, but their own company that’s making less profit from bad album sales. It’s not even a matter of cancelling the tour - do they really think some 5 tv appearances total and a bunch of interviews is enough followed by a month of silence until the tour starts? For whatever reason, I respect their choice to pretend this album didn’t happen, might be a similar situation like with the trilogy when they cut the budget to zero as soon as it turned out it wouldn’t be much of a success, but more than anything, it just looks like a lazy money grab that didn’t even work out. Saying they don’t have to do any promotion because we don’t directly pay them to is like saying stores don’t need to decorate their windows because no one pays them for looking. 15 minutes ago, Hermione said: I just think it might not even occur to them to do something. They're stuck at home and waiting things out like everyone. Billie's only very rarely played songs on his own on social media before, he probably wouldn't think randomly doing that would make up for anything and the idea of doing it probably hasn't even entered his head. It would be nice if they happened to do something (as it always is) but when they're in a limiting situation like this I wouldn't expect it. I think it's nice that Billie's on Instagram encouraging musicians. That’s true and a good point, but just a moment ago, I got notifications from several bands that are playing online shows tonight... I’m not blaming Billie, he’s an old dude who just wants to get drunk and that’s cool, but it’s frustrating that their marketing people are living under a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Hermione said: They play shows in exchange for our ticket money. If they can't play we'll be refunded, or will get our money's worth when they reschedule. Just like they wouldn't expect us to send them money or do anything else for them even though they're not playing a show for us, we can't expect things from them when they're unable to play due to circumstances beyond their control and we're not paying them. It's not their job to do anything for you for free, every single thing they do that you don't pay them for is by their own choice and not owed. The only thing they owe is a refund or a rescheduled show. This sucks for them as well, they don't get to play and if shows aren't rescheduled they'll lose out on a boatload of money. Playing a show to livestream involves more people than just them and they might not even want to take that risk. Perhaps they're thinking ahead to how they'll probably still be doing a gruelling tour that takes the same amount of time and energy, just later, and getting in some downtime while they can since they can't do much else. People are allowed to be sad about shows being cancelled but that doesn't mean the band has something to make up to us. Being disappointed about shows being cancelled is understandable. Hoping for the band to do something cool is understandable. Being disappointed that they don't do something and thinking they have something to make up to us not so much. The problem is these entitled people who think they're entitled to everything and it should be delivered how they want it and when they want it. Same people who think they should make $150,000 a year to flip a burger cause it's a "stressful job". People can't cancel a fucking trip and get a refund cause they think they're more important than everyone else. It's outrageous, especially seeing it from the eyes of someone like me with a pre-existing condition. I've had to cancel trips and events my whole life. It must be nice for those people who's biggest inconvenience is for 14 days, try a fucking lifetime of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 We have precious little to talk about when it comes to Green Day these days and I just think it’s a little frustrating and self defeating that when anyone even suggests that they find a way to reach out to fans in the safest and easiest way possible like so many artists do they are quickly shut down and dismissed as acting entitled or like they owe us anything. This misses the point entirely. No one is suggesting we are owed anything okay? Billie once picked up an acoustic from his beach house one night during the RevRad tour because he was home alone and bored and played for us and took requests. Did he owe it to us? Of course not. He did it because he felt like it and he enjoyed it too. That’s all we’re talking about here, let’s not make the suggestion a bigger deal than that. I’d rather see discussion because as soon as the entitlement argument happens, it clears the room and that sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: We have precious little to talk about when it comes to Green Day these days and I just think it’s a little frustrating and self defeating that when anyone even suggests that they find a way to reach out to fans in the safest and easiest way possible like so many artists do they are quickly shut down and dismissed as acting entitled or like they owe us anything. This misses the point entirely. No one is suggesting we are owed anything okay? Billie once picked up an acoustic from his beach house one night during the RevRad tour because he was home alone and bored and played for us and took requests. Did he owe it to us? Of course not. He did it because he felt like it and he enjoyed it too. That’s all we’re talking about here, let’s not make the suggestion a bigger deal than that. I’d rather see discussion because as soon as the entitlement argument happens, it clears the room and that sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 There is a lot of entitlement that comes from this form, but I don't sense that's the case now. GD should be promoting more because A) It improves their sales and business and B) because it shows they believe in the product they are selling. If they want to be a legacy band, sure that's lame but fine. But little things like Billie saying he won't play and new songs just seems to be like they don't believe in what they are releasing. He seemed to love playing the Longshot songs. He loves playing random covers. But he won't play new GD music? Odd, especially for a band that constantly talks about not resting on their laurels and how legacy bands are lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 11 hours ago, Beerjeezus said: I have to disagree... It is their job to promote their album, their, their management’s and Warner’s too. It has nothing to do with owing us, it’s their business, after all, it’s not us, but their own company that’s making less profit from bad album sales. It’s not even a matter of cancelling the tour - do they really think some 5 tv appearances total and a bunch of interviews is enough followed by a month of silence until the tour starts? For whatever reason, I respect their choice to pretend this album didn’t happen, might be a similar situation like with the trilogy when they cut the budget to zero as soon as it turned out it wouldn’t be much of a success, but more than anything, it just looks like a lazy money grab that didn’t even work out. Saying they don’t have to do any promotion because we don’t directly pay them to is like saying stores don’t need to decorate their windows because no one pays them for looking. That’s true and a good point, but just a moment ago, I got notifications from several bands that are playing online shows tonight... I’m not blaming Billie, he’s an old dude who just wants to get drunk and that’s cool, but it’s frustrating that their marketing people are living under a rock. They don't "need to" as any kind of obligation to us though. If they prefer to take some downtime under these circumstances and lose out on some promotion it's their prerogative. They're not obligated to promote relentlessly just because they could. If they want to be as cautious as not playing shows and not even meeting up at a studio there's only a limited amount they can do anyway. They're waiting it out like we are. It doesn't look like a "lazy money grab" or make them look bad at all, just looks like them dealing with the coronavirus situation. 9 hours ago, DookieLukie said: There is a lot of entitlement that comes from this form, but I don't sense that's the case now. GD should be promoting more because A) It improves their sales and business and B) because it shows they believe in the product they are selling. If they want to be a legacy band, sure that's lame but fine. But little things like Billie saying he won't play and new songs just seems to be like they don't believe in what they are releasing. He seemed to love playing the Longshot songs. He loves playing random covers. But he won't play new GD music? Odd, especially for a band that constantly talks about not resting on their laurels and how legacy bands are lame. It's because they're playing huge stadiums with two other bands. That isn't the time for deep cuts or songs not everyone knows, it's time for the hits. If they literally weren't going to play any new songs it would be one thing, but if they're just going to add a few to a setlist of hits that's very normal for them. Expecting this to change during this "Hella Mega Tour" of all places isn't realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 12 hours ago, DookieLukie said: But little things like Billie saying he won't play and new songs just seems to be like they don't believe in what they are releasing. He seemed to love playing the Longshot songs. He loves playing random covers. But he won't play new GD music? Odd, especially for a band that constantly talks about not resting on their laurels and how legacy bands are lame. I agree with Hermione that it's logical they won't on Hella Mega, but otherwise, it may not even be Billie. Mike didn't want to play anything different in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Hermione said: They don't "need to" as any kind of obligation to us though. If they prefer to take some downtime under these circumstances and lose out on some promotion it's their prerogative. They're not obligated to promote relentlessly just because they could. If they want to be as cautious as not playing shows and not even meeting up at a studio there's only a limited amount they can do anyway. They're waiting it out like we are. It doesn't look like a "lazy money grab" or make them look bad at all, just looks like them dealing with the coronavirus situation. I never said they need to do it as any kind of obligation to us, so I don’t understand why you use this argument against me. And again, as I’ve said before, this doesn’t have anything to do with the virus. They did fuck all even before the outbreak started and when they did do something, it was crammed into three busy days. I’m not denying their right to do so, for that matter, I’d be fine if they said they just want to retire, but this album got exceptionally lousy marketing and I’m not going to pretend otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpsalty Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I thought the marketing/promo for the album was fine. They were everywhere. They would have been on tour now so obviously nothing further promo wise was planned, and it’s not like they can just pluck a new round of promo out of thin air. It’s not as if they’re sat at home refusing to promote the thing - promotion is planned and executed accordingly. Aside from going on Instagram and saying ‘hey buy our record’ I don’t know what else they’re personally supposed to do?! It’s up to their PR team to come up with something. That’s their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, jumpsalty said: I thought the marketing/promo for the album was fine. They were everywhere. They would have been on tour now so obviously nothing further promo wise was planned, and it’s not like they can just pluck a new round of promo out of thin air. It’s not as if they’re sat at home refusing to promote the thing - promotion is planned and executed accordingly. Aside from going on Instagram and saying ‘hey buy our record’ I don’t know what else they’re personally supposed to do?! It’s up to their PR team to come up with something. That’s their job. And no one is blaming the band personally, but whoever planned the promo, I assume it was Crush, did a weird job to say the least - I can’t complain about the amount of media coverage they got, but they did nothing so sustain their presence during the month between the album release and the supposed beginning of the tour, while it would have been easy to space it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 I don't have any issue with the marketing. They did tv shows, interviews etc and released singles and music videos. Then they would've been busy with the tour, which is now on hold due to coronavirus which everyone understands, and when they can get to touring they will. And they're around on social media. Just don't see any reason to be criticising them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Green Day are perfect and have never done anything wrong. How's that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsrule128 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 ignoring the New York talk shows while promoting the album was not a smart movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montclare Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, jetsrule128 said: ignoring the New York talk shows while promoting the album was not a smart movie. This. The only thing I find truly weird is that they weren't on Colbert and Fallon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, DookieLukie said: Green Day are perfect and have never done anything wrong. How's that? What have they done wrong recently though? Why do people think it's bad if they choose not to do the absolute most promotion possible at all times? I don't get it. We got a new album, singles, videos, tv performances, interviews and a tour is to come. Just don't get what is inspiring criticism lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpsalty Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, DookieLukie said: Green Day are perfect and have never done anything wrong. How's that? The thing is, they actually haven’t this time?! I just don’t get how concerts being postponed due to global situation still manages to come back on the band! 🤷🏻♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritz Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 The Foo Fighters just postponed all of their recent tour dates. The silver lining? They announced place holder dates in December already by taking a good buffer. That's what I call proactive management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, jumpsalty said: The thing is, they actually haven’t this time?! I just don’t get how concerts being postponed due to global situation still manages to come back on the band! The thing is, no one here is complaining about the cancellation. Guys, please, read... we’re all quarantined so you have enough time, I beg you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Not complaining about cancelling shows. I'm complaining that they don't seem to care about their new music or doing anything besides going through the motions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, DookieLukie said: Not complaining about cancelling shows. I'm complaining that they don't seem to care about their new music or doing anything besides going through the motions. I guess judging this is subjective. But I'm not seeing what they should be doing differently? They put out an album and singles, did performances and interviews and are going on tour. And right now they're very limited in what they can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Even if Green Day was playing a concert 5 minutes from my home I would not even go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said: Even if Green Day was playing a concert 5 minutes from my home I would not even go. Huh yeah they aren’t what they used to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke Hanamura Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said: Even if Green Day was playing a concert 5 minutes from my home I would not even go. Because of the Coronavirus, or just because it’s them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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