"Billie Joe Armstrong Of Green Day Shaded Ariana Grande And...No, Absolutely Not"- Buzzfeed article

[Hermione]

24 minutes ago, Sarcasm said:

her talent doesn't nullify her douchebaggery 

Ehh, pretty sure every member of Green Day did plenty of things much more cunty than lick a donut at her age

[DookieLukie]

Gotta love people nowadays. Can't voice an opinion without someone trying to twist it into a macro aggression. If he put down a male singer, would it get the same reaction? The self righteousness of society is painfully cringey. They are quick to throw stones but claim they are without sin. Humans being simply struggle to separate logic from emotion. Emotion seems like evidence sometimes. This is why I do not believe anyone is "right" or has the answer. Sadly, much of PC culture claims to be attempting to help people, but it really boils down to people seeking personal revenge for wrongs they feel were done to them. It'a just human nature to personalize things. Then their response is to...personally attack the other person? Fight fire with fire I guess. "Women should be equal" but don't ever criticize them or hold them accountable. No feminists on a sinking ship or on draft day. Most of PC culture is a huge overshoot. And I don't necessarily blame them. It's human nature to take advantage of...well...advantages. if being a man means I could never be criticized for my work, I'd probably hide behind that too. People need to stop being so angry and just love and understand each other. 

[PursuitOfEpicness]

If this were the Dookie era people would be so pissed off at them over everything they say . They were so open about what they didn’t like then 😂

[FeylGD]

BuzzFeed is absolute trash but this is probably what every far left media would write. And I think more articles like this will come. Be prepared for people write something like "washed-up" band Green Day, etc...

[Lenny]

3 hours ago, DookieLukie said:

Gotta love people nowadays. Can't voice an opinion without someone trying to twist it into a macro aggression. If he put down a male singer, would it get the same reaction? The self righteousness of society is painfully cringey. They are quick to throw stones but claim they are without sin. Humans being simply struggle to separate logic from emotion. Emotion seems like evidence sometimes. This is why I do not believe anyone is "right" or has the answer. Sadly, much of PC culture claims to be attempting to help people, but it really boils down to people seeking personal revenge for wrongs they feel were done to them. It'a just human nature to personalize things. Then their response is to...personally attack the other person? Fight fire with fire I guess. "Women should be equal" but don't ever criticize them or hold them accountable. No feminists on a sinking ship or on draft day. Most of PC culture is a huge overshoot. And I don't necessarily blame them. It's human nature to take advantage of...well...advantages. if being a man means I could never be criticized for my work, I'd probably hide behind that too. People need to stop being so angry and just love and understand each other. 

yeah but then if I follow this I can't shove my agenda down your throat   

3 hours ago, FeylGD said:

BuzzFeed is absolute trash but this is probably what every far left media would write. And I think more articles like this will come. Be prepared for people write something like "washed-up" band Green Day, etc...

dont you know yet if you're a white male the truth is illegal to state 

you will face the consequences 

[WhiteTim]

 

While I do believe that he shouldn’t have slagged one artist to big up another 

the writer of this article is making a bigger deal than should be 

[Lenny]

ariana can take a stomp or she can slob my knob 

[localinsomniac]

1 minute ago, Sheenius said:

ariana can take a stomp or she can slob my knob 

Take the money and craw-a-a-a-aaawl

[Hermione]

5 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

ariana can take a stomp or she can slob my knob 

Billie's comments weren't misogynistic but comments like this are. This thread isn't an invitation to make gross comments about Ariana Grande.

[Lenny]

3 hours ago, Hermione said:

Billie's comments weren't misogynistic but comments like this are. This thread isn't an invitation to make gross comments about Ariana Grande.

Did you just assume Ariana Grande's gender? 

 

[Hermione]

2 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

Did you just assume Ariana Grande's gender? 

 

Cut the dumb posts please. You're spamming

[Lenny]

3 hours ago, Hermione said:

Cut the dumb posts please. You're spamming

Sheenius being targeted again but alright cool

[The_real_st_jimmy]

Buzzfeed is trash lol, imo Billie was right but the buzzfeed people took the way he worded it wrong. I don't see it as him hating on Ariana just that she doesn't write her own music and just that she sounds like most other pop "stars".😂

[The Grohl]

I've already expressed my anger over this whole bullshit situation. I think people are right, he didn't have to name drop her, but whatever he did. He was expressing an opinion. Stop spinning it into something else. With that, I'm so done with this whole thing. I'm tried of the negative bullshit.

[ANTI]

5 hours ago, madafaka said:

Billie Joe is 100% correct though...

Ariana Grande has an average of 7-8 various songwriters credited on each of her songs, unlike Billie Eilish who has two: her brother and herself.

One is a talented singer, model and icon, but the other is the real deal. 

Ariana wrote her last album with the company of her 6 best friends (some of them were not even songwriters and she still credited them for minor contributions) in a process of cathartic therapy after the death of her ex Mac Miller and her public breakup with Pete Davidson. She and her friends literally locked themselves in her studio and wrote the entire album in like two weeks, and she was very much involved in the whole creative process. So both her and Billie wrote their albums with people they trusted in a private and closed off environment, the only difference is the number of people involved in the process, which really doesn't say much given the fact that writing credits must be given to people even for very small contributions, like the change of a few words in the lyrics or a key change in the melodies. 

I'm not even the biggest fan of Ariana, as a few of her attitudes have bothered me in the last year, but it seems to me like a lot of people just jumped to the conclusion that Ariana doesn't write her music based on superficial factors like her looks (like why is she the model when Billie E. has probably posed for even more magazines than her this year) and not actual research, as I literally just read all of this info in Wikipedia (I even learned she even writes songs for other artists, like Normani's Motivation). This is what people mean when they talk about implicit bias, as the majority takes for granted that popstars like Ariana don't write their music just because of how they dress, when artists like Beyoncé, Rihanna and Taylor have been known to be very controlling of the creative process of their albums.

[Beerjeezus]

3 minutes ago, ANTI said:

Ariana wrote her last album with the company of her 6 best friends (some of them were not even songwriters and she still credited them for minor contributions) in a process of cathartic therapy after the death of her ex Mac Miller and her public breakup with Pete Davidson. She and her friends literally locked themselves in her studio and wrote the entire album in like two weeks, and she was very much involved in the whole creative process. So both her and Billie wrote their albums with people they trusted in a private and closed off environment, the only difference is the number of people involved in the process, which really doesn't say much given the fact that writing credits must be given to people even for very small contributions, like the change of a few words in the lyrics or a key change in the melodies. 

I'm not even the biggest fan of Ariana, as a few of her attitudes have bothered me in the last year, but it seems to me like a lot of people just jumped to the conclusion that Ariana doesn't write her music based on superficial factors like her looks (like why is she the model when Billie E. has probably posed for even more magazines than her this year) and not actual research, as I literally just read all of this info in Wikipedia (I even learned she even writes songs for other artists, like Normani's Motivation). This is what people mean when they talk about implicit bias, as the majority takes for granted that popstars like Ariana don't write their music just because of how they dress, when artists like Beyoncé, Rihanna and Taylor have been known to be very controlling of the creative process of their albums.

I must admit I assumed Ariana Grande doesn't write her music. It's just that kind of pop sounds so similar to tons of other artists so I tend to lump them all together as "probably written by some Swedish producer".

[Hermione]

13 minutes ago, ANTI said:

Ariana wrote her last album with the company of her 6 best friends (some of them were not even songwriters and she still credited them for minor contributions) in a process of cathartic therapy after the death of her ex Mac Miller and her public breakup with Pete Davidson. She and her friends literally locked themselves in her studio and wrote the entire album in like two weeks, and she was very much involved in the whole creative process. So both her and Billie wrote their albums with people they trusted in a private and closed off environment, the only difference is the number of people involved in the process, which really doesn't say much given the fact that writing credits must be given to people even for very small contributions, like the change of a few words in the lyrics or a key change in the melodies. 

I'm not even the biggest fan of Ariana, as a few of her attitudes have bothered me in the last year, but it seems to me like a lot of people just jumped to the conclusion that Ariana doesn't write her music based on superficial factors like her looks (like why is she the model when Billie E. has probably posed for even more magazines than her this year) and not actual research, as I literally just read all of this info in Wikipedia (I even learned she even writes songs for other artists, like Normani's Motivation). This is what people mean when they talk about implicit bias, as the majority takes for granted that popstars like Ariana don't write their music just because of how they dress, when artists like Beyoncé, Rihanna and Taylor have been known to be very controlling of the creative process of their albums.

I mean, most Ariana Grande songs are written by teams of songwriters while Billie Eilish songs are written by her creative partner and/or herself. There's nothing wrong with that, but there is a difference between acts who write all their own songs and acts that just contribute to a team of songwriters' work. I don't know that it's only based on how they dress, it's also just straight facts that many pop singers don't write the majority of their own material.

Edit: Also I don't have any preference either way between Billie and Ariana. I don't think it's wrong for someone to be more impressed by an artist who writes more of their own stuff though. Any more than it would be wrong to be more impressed by Ariana because she's more talented at singing.

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

2 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I must admit I assumed Ariana Grande doesn't write her music. It's just that kind of pop sounds so similar to tons of other artists so I tend to lump them all together as "probably written by some Swedish producer".

Max Martin is credited as composer of many of her songs, also in this album, so you are not completely wrong  

[Beerjeezus]

1 minute ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said:

Max Martin is credited as composer of many of her songs, also in this album, so you are not completely wrong  

Ha! No one said Ariana can't be friends with Max Martin

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

Just now, Beerjeezus said:

Ha! No one said Ariana can't be friends with Max Martin

Damn, after my very offensive statement I am gonna drink all the poison in the water listening to a trap beat to repent myself. 

[petros]

So Billie can compare two artists or songs or whatever and say something's better than the other and everyone agrees that he should state his opinion but when small little Petros here did it you all jumped on him and told him to fuck off and that music is subjective. 

[Beerjeezus]

2 minutes ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said:

Damn, after my very offensive statement I am gonna drink all the poison in the water listening to a trap beat to repent myself. 

I like trap beats 

Just now, petros said:

So Billie can compare two artists or songs or whatever and say something's better than the other and everyone agrees that he should state his opinion but when small little Petros here did it you all jumped on him and told him to fuck off and that music is subjective. 

Tbf last time I checked small little Petros told me to fuck off because he disagreed with what I said so we're even  

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

3 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I like trap beats 

Me too, I am actually listening to a lot of Italian trap music lately, and this is why this whole thing is 100 times more hilarious 😂

[petros]

1 minute ago, Beerjeezus said:

Tbf last time I checked small little Petros told me to fuck off because he disagreed with what I said so we're even  

Nah I never really did that most of the times I agree with you anyways.

[madafaka]

29 minutes ago, ANTI said:

Ariana wrote her last album with the company of her 6 best friends (some of them were not even songwriters and she still credited them for minor contributions) in a process of cathartic therapy after the death of her ex Mac Miller and her public breakup with Pete Davidson. She and her friends literally locked themselves in her studio and wrote the entire album in like two weeks, and she was very much involved in the whole creative process. So both her and Billie wrote their albums with people they trusted in a private and closed off environment, the only difference is the number of people involved in the process, which really doesn't say much given the fact that writing credits must be given to people even for very small contributions, like the change of a few words in the lyrics or a key change in the melodies. 

I'm not even the biggest fan of Ariana, as a few of her attitudes have bothered me in the last year, but it seems to me like a lot of people just jumped to the conclusion that Ariana doesn't write her music based on superficial factors like her looks (like why is she the model when Billie E. has probably posed for even more magazines than her this year) and not actual research, as I literally just read all of this info in Wikipedia (I even learned she even writes songs for other artists, like Normani's Motivation). This is what people mean when they talk about implicit bias, as the majority takes for granted that popstars like Ariana don't write their music just because of how they dress, when artists like Beyoncé, Rihanna and Taylor have been known to be very controlling of the creative process of their albums.

I get where you are coming from, but in the end what we have to go on, is the fact that Ariana's songs always have multiple writers listed and never just her, which to me proves that she is never the one doing the heavy lifting creatively. If she was able to write a good song on her own, she would've done so by now. She might've had a bigger influence on her latest album, but it's not a consistent effort. She has worked multiple times with industry giants like Max Martin, which just proves that the foundation of her fame is manufactured and not organic at all.

Billie Eilish and her brother Finneas wrote and recorded their music alone in a bedroom. This is a Lennon/McCartney deal, where it's so obvious that their music is the joined effort of a creative duo. This makes the music much more authentic, and real pieces of art.

I would argue that Green Day's music is even more authentic, as there is basically only one main songwriter on all of it.

I might sound like a puritan, and I kind of am, but only to the point that I think true artists deserves to be categorized separately from all the other pop musicians, and in my opinion Ariana Grande doesn't quite make the cut