Father of all Motherfuckers - What are your thoughts on the new album?

[Lenny]

6 minutes ago, Joe. said:

He reviews music as a full time job, in what way is that not a professional music reviewer?

I don't disagree but there's no barrier to entry. 

[Hermione]

Reviews can be interesting if they have insightful observations on the album/songs. As far as them judging good or bad or giving it a number I couldn't care less though.

[Lenny]

1 minute ago, CherryBombs&Gasoline said:

The concept of basically judging art on a scale of 1 to 10 is a weird one, at least for me. People like structure, numbers, lists and all those things though. And that's why we are obsessed with scores and ratings. But just because and album has a certain score on Metacritic or because Anthony Fantano likes or dislikes doesn't mean that we should form our opinion based on that. Anthony Fantano has every right to say whatever he wants about this record. And I'm sure that he knows a lot about music. But in the end, it's just a video on YouTube, and a review in the Rolling Stone is just a little text in a magazine. There's no point in getting worked up about it, in my opinion. No one is 100 percent right or wrong about something as subjective as music, or art in general. Yes, I do read and watch reviews myself. But ultimately, it's all subjective. It's just to get an overview.

 

It's more about having quantifiable information that easily explains how much you like something vs somebody else. 

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

10 minutes ago, Joe. said:

But how many times does he pop up, baring in mind he does daily reviews? Probably not daily, or even close to that.

A few, but I have many music lovers in my feed, and they periodically get excited or troubled by what he says. What they have in common is that both categories give him views, and that’s what he need to survive. That’s also why, as any YouTuber, he has to publish a video almost every day, not by choice but by need of having a constant view flow. 
His video review of FOAM has 240K views in 14 hours, about 4000$ (I am pretty sure the RS reviewer got paid less for his review). How many of those come from people watching that only because they heard on Twitter he gave 0 to it, either because they are happy or mad about it? I am pretty sure a good amount, considering that a video he published a week ago has 70k views. 

[Christian's Inferno!]

9 minutes ago, CherryBombs&Gasoline said:

The concept of basically judging art on a scale of 1 to 10 is a weird one, at least for me. People like structure, numbers, lists and all those things though. And that's why we are obsessed with scores and ratings. But just because and album has a certain score on Metacritic or because Anthony Fantano likes or dislikes doesn't mean that we should form our opinion based on that. Anthony Fantano has every right to say whatever he wants about this record. And I'm sure that he knows a lot about music. But in the end, it's just a video on YouTube, and a review in the Rolling Stone is just a little text in a magazine. There's no point in getting worked up about it, in my opinion. No one is 100 percent right or wrong about something as subjective as music, or art in general. Yes, I do read and watch reviews myself. But ultimately, it's all subjective. It's just to get an overview.

 

It is interesting that it's the 0/10 that some people are concerned with more than the review itself. The review is just bad though. He doesn't really critique most of the songs. He just briefly mentions like 5 songs, he critiques a billboard that has nothing to do with the band and says that the album feels like it's 56 minutes instead of 26 minutes which is ridiculous. But his description and critiques of the album don't justify a 0/10 because he doesn't really say anything about the album. 

[PursuitOfEpicness]

2 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

It is interesting that it's the 0/10 that some people are concerned with more than the review itself. The review is just bad though. He doesn't really critique most of the songs. He just briefly mentions like 5 songs, he critiques a billboard that has nothing to do with the band and says that the album feels like it's 56 minutes instead of 26 minutes which is ridiculous. But his description and critiques of  the album don't justify a 0/10 because he doesn't really say anything about the album. 

Kinda agree - he barely cuts into the album or describes the songs. it's very general.

[Lenny]

Just now, PursuitOfEpicness said:

Kinda agree - he barely cuts into the album or describes the songs. it's very general.

he had the attitude though of a kid on Christmas excited to unwrap a gift but finds out it's socks not a Gamecube. 

His body language tells you he was really hoping it was a rocker. His bias comes through strong though as he's just not clearly into garage rock at all. 

 

[PursuitOfEpicness]

1 minute ago, Sheenius said:

he had the attitude though of a kid on Christmas excited to unwrap a gift but finds out it's socks not a Gamecube. 

His body language tells you he was really hoping it was a rocker. His bias comes through strong though as he's just not clearly into garage rock at all. 

 

Yeah, a lot of it was about the style of the album - which is important in a review but you need more!

[Aidana]

4 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

It is interesting that it's the 0/10 that some people are concerned with more than the review itself. The review is just bad though. He doesn't really critique most of the songs. He just briefly mentions like 5 songs, he critiques a billboard that has nothing to do with the band and says that the album feels like it's 56 minutes instead of 26 minutes which is ridiculous. But his description and critiques of the album don't justify a 0/10 because he doesn't really say anything about the album. 

I’m not saying foamf is bad, it’s good, I love it but mostly because it’s Green Day. Answering to your post, you’re not gonna discuss why shit is shit and why it stinks and every second standing next to it feels like eternity lol

[Joe.]

17 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Because he does it on YouTube 😂

Its his job, just because its a video instead of an article doesn't make it any less of a review, in the same way people saying they enjoy  "Oh Yeah" is a review.

12 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

I don't disagree but there's no barrier to entry. 

No but there's barriers to making it your livelihood. If his opinions and reviews were shit he wouldn't have an audience.

11 minutes ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said:

A few, but I have many music lovers in my feed, and they periodically get excited or troubled by what he says. What they have in common is that both categories give him views, and that’s what he need to survive. That’s also why, as any YouTuber, he has to publish a video almost every day, not by choice but by need of having a constant view flow. 
His video review of FOAM has 240K views in 14 hours, about 4000$ (I am pretty sure the RS reviewer got paid less for his review). How many of those come from people watching that only because they heard on Twitter he gave 0 to it, either because they are happy or mad about it? I am pretty sure a good amount, considering that a video he published a week ago has 70k views. 

Majority would be from subscribers, or people that have heard Green Day have an album out and want to know if its worth their time to listen to.

[Christian's Inferno!]

5 minutes ago, Aidana Shyngysbayeva said:

I’m not saying foamf is bad, it’s good, I love it but mostly because it’s Green Day. Answering to your post, you’re not gonna discuss why shit is shit and why it stinks and every second standing next to it feels like eternity lol

If you give an album a 0/10, you should give a detailed description of why the songs suck. When I think of other youtube music reviewers, they either haven't given any album a 0, or they've given a couple but go in depth on why they think said album is a complete failure. For example...

ARTV as far as I know has given 2 albums a 0/5. One of those albums is Simple Plan's most recent album from 2016. I don't agree that it's a 0/10 album but it's a poor album and Jon goes more in depth on why he dislikes every track etc.

Spectrum Pulse hasn't given any album a 0/10. At least I don't think he has. His most negative review afaik is AJR - The Click which he gave a 1/10. He got really mad in that review about how bad the album was but still didn't give it a 0.

If you're going to give an album a 0, you better justify the reasons for that 0

[21st_century_gloria]

11 hours ago, RisingRedWolf said:

"Unless this album is a troll"

I'm officially curious as to how Fantano would review Panicland's entire Magnum Opus album once they officially release it. Or even just react to the 4 tracks that they already dropped.

[Aidana]

12 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

If you give an album a 0/10, you should give a detailed description of why the songs suck. When I think of other youtube music reviewers, they either haven't given any album a 0, or they've given a couple but go in depth on why they think said album is a complete failure. For example...

ARTV as far as I know has given 2 albums a 0/5. One of those albums is Simple Plan's most recent album from 2016. I don't agree that it's a 0/10 album but it's a poor album and Jon goes more in depth on why he dislikes every track etc.

Spectrum Pulse hasn't given any album a 0/10. At least I don't think he has. His most negative review afaik is AJR - The Click which he gave a 1/10. He got really mad in that review about how bad the album was but still didn't give it a 0.

If you're going to give an album a 0, you better justify the reasons for that 0

Well as I said he is a reviewer and he helps people understand if the album is worth giving a listen or not and people could careless why it’s bad. He did the review for the people that haven’t listened, not for us. The reason why he doesn’t give clear description of each song and why it was bad because he is “reliable” for people and all they want to hear is yes/no. Like I said I love foamf and I’ve been listening to it non stop since the day it was leaked, and enjoy every second of it. But the real question for me is what if it wasn’t Green Day would I still be obsessed? Would you?

21 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

If you give an album a 0/10, you should give a detailed description of why the songs suck. When I think of other youtube music reviewers, they either haven't given any album a 0, or they've given a couple but go in depth on why they think said album is a complete failure. For example...

ARTV as far as I know has given 2 albums a 0/5. One of those albums is Simple Plan's most recent album from 2016. I don't agree that it's a 0/10 album but it's a poor album and Jon goes more in depth on why he dislikes every track etc.

Spectrum Pulse hasn't given any album a 0/10. At least I don't think he has. His most negative review afaik is AJR - The Click which he gave a 1/10. He got really mad in that review about how bad the album was but still didn't give it a 0.

If you're going to give an album a 0, you better justify the reasons for that 0

I would rate foamf 10 out of 10 well because Green Day its all that I listen to. I’d also give 0 to Taylor Swift and other musicians because I can’t stabd any music besides our boys. Same here with fontano. He thinks it’s shit and without double thinking just gave 0. But still foamf is underwhelming 

[21st_century_gloria]

3 minutes ago, Aidana Shyngysbayeva said:

 if it wasn’t Green Day would I still be obsessed? Would you?

Maybe not obsessed but I think that out of the 4 FOAM songs that stood out the most to me, I would still be insanely into 3 of them. If, for example, NOFX had released Take The Money and Crawl it would be an almost equal banger (almost equal bc to me, nothing gets on the level of GD, you're right in that sense) and I feel like I would be in love with Graffitia no matter where it came from.

That being said, I've defended FRA like it was some sort of magnum opus but yeah if it wasn't GD I probably wouldn't be as much lmao. I love the song. But without the GD touch it probably wouldn't evoke all the praise it has so far from me hahaha

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

34 minutes ago, Joe. said:

Its his job, just because its a video instead of an article doesn't make it any less of a review, in the same way people saying they enjoy  "Oh Yeah" is a review.

No but there's barriers to making it your livelihood. If his opinions and reviews were shit he wouldn't have an audience.

Majority would be from subscribers, or people that have heard Green Day have an album out and want to know if its worth their time to listen to.

If that was the case, how a Coldplay review from 2 months ago has less views than the GD one published 14 hours ago? You think posting that tweet about the billboard a bunch of hours before publishing the video, where apparently he reference the thing, was a coincidence or out of his heart and not a build up strategy? I mean the guy is just doing his job, but this is how his job works. 
His job consists also in giving 5/10 to the Harry Styles new record and 0/10 to Green Day to maximize his views. 
 

[Aidana]

2 minutes ago, 21st_century_gloria said:

Maybe not obsessed but I think that out of the 4 FOAM songs that stood out the most to me, I would still be insanely into 3 of them. If, for example, NOFX had released Take The Money and Crawl it would be an almost equal banger (almost equal bc to me, nothing gets on the level of GD, you're right in that sense) and I feel like I would be in love with Graffitia no matter where it came from.

That being said, I've defended FRA like it was some sort of magnum opus but yeah if it wasn't GD I probably wouldn't be as much lmao. I love the song. But without the GD touch it probably wouldn't evoke all the praise it has so far from me hahaha

I just want boys to get motivated write something that blows everyone’s mind and make  Fontana and other reviewers give the highest points. 

Just now, Aidana Shyngysbayeva said:

I just want boys to get motivated write something that blows everyone’s mind and make  Fontana and other reviewers give the highest points. 

And I wish the boys didn’t have to write cringe descriptions and billboards to prove that music is rock and outstanding. They gotta make the music speak for itself 

[Christian's Inferno!]

11 minutes ago, Aidana Shyngysbayeva said:

Well as I said he is a reviewer and he helps people understand if the album is worth giving a listen or not and people could careless why it’s bad. He did the review for the people that haven’t listened, not for us. The reason why he doesn’t give clear description of each song and why it was bad because he is “reliable” for people and all they want to hear is yes/no. Like I said I love foamf and I’ve been listening to it non stop since the day it was leaked, and enjoy every second of it. But the real question for me is what if it wasn’t Green Day would I still be obsessed? Would you?

I would rate foamf 10 out of 10 well because Green Day its all that I listen to. I’d also give 0 to Taylor Swift and other musicians because I can’t stabd any music besides our boys. Same here with fontano. He thinks it’s shit and without double thinking just gave 0. But still foamf is underwhelming 

If you give a 0/10 you should justify that score. Fantano just doesn't. Fantano isn't a reliable source of whether to listen to an album or not. If you want a somewhat reliable source, go to metacritic which generates an average number based on many critic reviews and user-submitted ratings. Currently, FOA has a 69 on metacritic and a 6.4/10 based on 22 critic reviews and 85 user ratings. That's a better indicator of whether an album is or isn't worth listening to imo. But even still, metacritic isn't even that reliable because music is subjective but it's still more reliable than a singular review by Fantano

I'm not obsessed with the album. In fact I've been critical of several aspects of it including the cover, the singles and I hate the song I Was A Teenage Teenager. I just think Fantano's review of the album is just bad

You would give a 10/10 to FOAM but still consider it to be underwhelming as a GD record? Ok, fine. I can accept your opinion. But I know you're not going to make a review of the album where you're clearly biased and where you give no justification for the score you've given

[Aidana]

5 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

If you give a 0/10 you should justify that score. Fantano just doesn't. Fantano isn't a reliable source of whether to listen to an album or not. If you want a somewhat reliable source, go to metacritic which generates an average number based on many critic reviews and user-submitted ratings. Currently, FOA has a 69 on metacritic and a 6.4/10 based on 22 critic reviews and 85 user ratings. That's a better indicator of whether an album is or isn't worth listening to imo. But even still, metacritic isn't even that reliable because music is subjective but it's still more reliable than a singular review by Fantano

I'm not obsessed with the album. In fact I've been critical of several aspects of it including the cover, the singles and I hate the song I Was A Teenage Teenager. I just think Fantano's review of the album is just bad

You would give a 10/10 to FOAM but still consider it to be underwhelming as a GD record? Ok, fine. I can accept your opinion. But I know you're not going to make a review of the album where you're clearly biased and where you give no justification for the score you've given

Well there are albums of Green Day that are beyond the 10 for me 😀

[Guest]

I can't stop listening to Oh Yeah and MMOTR lately. The whole album, but right now those two songs in particular, fucking s l a p s  

[21st_century_gloria]

6 minutes ago, Aidana Shyngysbayeva said:

I just want boys to get motivated write something that blows everyone’s mind and make  Fontana and other reviewers give the highest points. 

Yeah fair point, I honestly wish GD would get more recognition, but most reviewers are very hard to please and it really doesn't matter whether the boys produce their magnum opus or a collection of 2 minute tracks they recorded in a basement 30 years ago-- didn't Rolling Stone give American Idiot (which I consider to be GD's magnum opus) only 3/5 stars for such a prolific record? (correct me if I'm wrong ofc) 

The problem also comes from the fact that rock reviewers are hard to please for elitist reasons, pop reviewers would probably not give much attention to a band they probably still see as the "edgy alternative emo band that made boulevard of broken dreams" beyond the classic "Oh they're still around" that they're getting right now, and unbiased (using this term loosely because everyone is biased to an extent) reviewers are hard to impress without the mindblowing magnum opus, which, let's be honest. It's impossible to keep putting out groundbreaking works of art that blow everyone's collective minds for every new album. Unfortunately for us fans, haha

Then there's personal preference, like how Sugar Youth blew my mind but would probably be looked over as "the song that sounds like she's a rebel"

[Le_Manni91]

I just can't help myself, but the intro to TTMAC fits perfectly into a Tarantino movie. And the rest of the song kind of too... 

 

When i think about it, Tarantino generates haters and lovers just as easy as Green Day...  Damn i love that album already...

[Montclare]

1 minute ago, Le_Manni91 said:

I just can't help myself, but the intro to TTMAC fits perfectly into a Tarantino movie.

I had this same exact thought.

[Yosuke Hanamura]

Fantano to me, seemed more focused on trashing the album because It’s not more of their chart-topping albums.. even though he’s trashing it for trying to be a chart-topping album.

[Christian's Inferno!]

5 minutes ago, 21st_century_gloria said:

Yeah fair point, I honestly wish GD would get more recognition, but most reviewers are very hard to please and it really doesn't matter whether the boys produce their magnum opus or a collection of 2 minute tracks they recorded in a basement 30 years ago-- didn't Rolling Stone give American Idiot (which I consider to be GD's magnum opus) only 3/5 stars for such a prolific record? (correct me if I'm wrong ofc) 

The problem also comes from the fact that rock reviewers are hard to please for elitist reasons, pop reviewers would probably not give much attention to a band they probably still see as the "edgy alternative emo band that made boulevard of broken dreams" beyond the classic "Oh they're still around" that they're getting right now, and unbiased (using this term loosely because everyone is biased to an extent) reviewers are hard to impress without the mindblowing magnum opus, which, let's be honest. It's impossible to keep putting out groundbreaking works of art that blow everyone's collective minds for every new album. Unfortunately for us fans, haha

Then there's personal preference, like how Sugar Youth blew my mind but would probably be looked over as "the song that sounds like she's a rebel"

Some of my favourite albums are albums that have been dismissed or panned by critics/reviewers/fans and a lot of albums that are considered masterpieces I just couldn't care less about

[PursuitOfEpicness]

When you hear the intro of TTMAC