"Oh Yeah!" Single

[WhiteTim]

42 minutes ago, TimmyChunks said:

Thanks Pacie, I know you’ve been here for a long time and it’s great to see you again. I appreciate the perspective. I’m just struggling since while I was vaguely familiar with the fact that Glitter was a creep, I didn’t realize how bad he was until I looked up his detailed bio tonight. It’s bad. 
 

So, I’ll digest this for a bit. I totally trust and respect Green Day in their judgement, and it’s noble they’re donating proceeds here, but i thought this was worth calling out on the forum. Perhaps this is what they were going for- awareness. Because now I’m very aware of how horrible Glitter was, maybe I buried it in my mind but hadn’t been actively aware of how terrible some people can be. And I get that it’s a Joan cover- she’s an absolute legend- but she did cover this decades before Glitter’s disgusting behavior was discovered. But it was going on well before she made this cover- he’s currently in jail for some of these crimes in the late  ‘70s. 
 

Sorry to be a downer on this thread everyone, but I was seriously grossed out when I read about his background. 

There was the Joker controversy when they used one of his songs in the movie the label who currently owns his music says that Gary doesn’t receive a penny from any use or sale of his music that they own 100% of his music and publishing so no royalties or money at all goes to Gary  

[Lenny]

8 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

There was the Joker controversy when they used one of his songs in the movie the label who currently owns his music says that Gary doesn’t receive a penny from any use or sale of his music that they own 100% of his music and publishing so no royalties or money at all goes to Gary  

Did they mention where any of that money goes? Is it given to charities like how Green Day set it up? 

 

[WhiteTim]

1 minute ago, Sheenius said:

Did they mention where any of that money goes? Is it given to charities like how Green Day set it up? 

 

Goes to the label 

[Lenny]

3 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

Goes to the label 

 

[Red]

19 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

I'm on the other side of the fence when it comes to this song but I didn't feel like you were being what they're saying you are. You just may strongly dislike this song which is your opinion. It is an entirely different track for the band so mixed response from the fan base is completely normal. I perceived it as you strongly disagree with something under the umbrella of something you're passionate about. 

I think earlier on we both discussed our different views of the song and our convo kinda took us to the point where I was ok with a vocal performance being the lead of the song and you were looking for something with larger instrumental presence. I didn't feel like you were crossing any lines or being condescending or being a purist in anyway.

28 minutes ago, TimmyChunks said:

Here’s one fanboy who is totally on board with you or anyone expressing your opinion whether we agree or not.  We’re all presumably here because we enjoy Green Day so much that we go out of our way to take the time to register, read, and post. And that in itself means that are voluntarily part of a small and passionate group brought together for the right reasons. Please keep sharing your thoughts, some people might not agree with them but that doesn’t mean they’re not valuable. 

Thanks for understanding guys, I might not be the best at putting things into words but it's really refreshing to know that a lot of you seem to get where I am coming from even if we don't love the same song.
Being called the worst person is just really just emotionally draining, and it fucking sucks to know that's how people perceive you, but you know what? In reality this person actually doesn't know shit about me.

You guys are absolutely right, we are all here as a community because we all love Green Day, we don't have to agree all the time and that is what makes for meaningful discussion.

I'm gonna have a cold beer and get some air.

[WhiteTim]

Just now, Sheenius said:

 

it’s a business they bought the label that owned his and other artists catalog 

[Lenny]

3 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

it’s a business they bought the label that owned his and other artists catalog 

I was just taking the opportunity cause you mentioned Joker. I tied it in with some Bane. 

I kinda figured they'd take it. I mean in this case that's better than Gary getting it. 

Although not sure what he can really buy in prison. 

[WhiteTim]

8 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

I was just taking the opportunity cause you mentioned Joker. I tied it in with some Bane. 

I kinda figured they'd take it. I mean in this case that's better than Gary getting it. 

Although not sure what he can really buy in prison. 

A prisoner needs money to buy basics toilet paper toothpaste toothbrush food etc 

[Lenny]

Just now, WhiteTim said:

A prisoner needs money to buy basics toilet paper toothpaste toothbrush food etc 

Wow American prisons and Canadian prisons are two different systems altogether. 

If you guys wanna see what our prisons are like watch some Trailer Park Boys 😂

[UNICORN VOMIT]

47 minutes ago, RisingRedWolf said:

Thanks for understanding guys, I might not be the best at putting things into words but it's really refreshing to know that a lot of you seem to get where I am coming from even if we don't love the same song.
Being called the worst person is just really just emotionally draining, and it fucking sucks to know that's how people perceive you, but you know what? In reality this person actually doesn't know shit about me.

You guys are absolutely right, we are all here as a community because we all love Green Day, we don't have to agree all the time and that is what makes for meaningful discussion.

I'm gonna have a cold beer and get some air.

I'm better with my words - I hate this lazy ass song & don't go Matt - you are an awesome contributor - enjoy your beer - its bloody hot here atm.

35 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

A prisoner needs money to buy basics toilet paper toothpaste toothbrush food etc 

Wow Aussie crims have it good then.

[That Dude]

1 hour ago, Sheenius said:

 

I hope Billie does an entire song in Bane-voice.

That would be amazing. 

[Lenny]

6 minutes ago, That Dude said:

I hope Billie does an entire song in Bane-voice.

That would be amazing. 

You should be the next Green Day producer

Take this forum down with no survivors 

[Thatsername]

3 hours ago, RisingRedWolf said:

Thanks for understanding guys, I might not be the best at putting things into words but it's really refreshing to know that a lot of you seem to get where I am coming from even if we don't love the same song.
Being called the worst person is just really just emotionally draining, and it fucking sucks to know that's how people perceive you, but you know what? In reality this person actually doesn't know shit about me.

You guys are absolutely right, we are all here as a community because we all love Green Day, we don't have to agree all the time and that is what makes for meaningful discussion.

I'm gonna have a cold beer and get some air.

Don't worry, I think you have made your point perfectly clear and I totally feel you. OY won me over somehow (still don't know how to be honest, lol) and I love it, but I totally get why people don't like it. And I'm still kind of digesting FOAM and FRA and the general weird attitude of this era, it was a big letdown for me and I haven't really been excited about the new GD era at all up until a few days ago, and I know how much it sucks and how empty it can feel when you're looking forward to your favorite band's new music and then you get it, but you can't relate to it at all, it just doesn't speak to you. OY has changed that for me, thank God, but I know how you feel because I used to feel the same.

I have a feeling the whole record will be a highly controversial one in the fandom - I think every new album is more or less controversial, but this one definitely more than less, I think.

[jengd]

@RisingRedWolf don’t go, I love to read everyone’s opinions, especially when some thought has been given and when long time fans like @TimmyChunks wade in too.  I have no musical knowledge really and love a wide range of stuff but when I hear something like Oh Yeah and read others posts it makes me go and think more about it and try to understand what’s going on.  I am well aware that I can’t help myself with GD, I ‘ve said before, I would listen to Billie Joe sing a laundry list so I enjoy all of this.  I do think it’s a shame if people just write stuff off because it’s different, I am not saying you are doing this or just say “it’s crap” but it’s very healthy to have differing opinions.

Gary Glitter was a really big name in the UK and people were really shocked when news broke of his activities which are completely undefendable.  However, from this distance looking back, it feels to me that him being tried was the beginning of the end of acceptance for lots of atrocious behaviour (not necessarily his crimes) and made it much easier for people to come out and say what had been happening instead of everyone pretending it wasn’t and that now the sexual harassment that used to be routine has just gone, in the main.  So maybe some good came of him being tried - not him - and if GD  using this sample raises loads of money for two really great causes then I’m ok with it.

[Tubbie Head]

I went from eh to I love this song in 3 listens (and the video).

[Guest]

Okay this song is a fucking jam and I can't stop listening, just like with FOA. So excited for this album! 

[Beerjeezus]

Exactly in 5 months from today I'm seeing Green Day and finally I'm excited for it.

[CherryBombs&Gasoline]

I was thinking about the whole Gary Glitter thing, too, and it's kind of complicated. However, for me, there's a difference between an artist and his work. Don't get me wrong, there's absolutely no justification for what this guy did. Not at all. I didn't know him before but I looked up his story and it's absolutely disgusting. 

But where do we draw the line when it comes to these things? Can I still watch movies produced by Harvey Weinstein? Movies featuring Kevin Spacey? Can I listen to Michael Jackson? I think as soon as a piece of art is out there, it doesn't belong to the artist anymore, it belongs to everyone. I hate what this guy did, but that's him as a person, not his music. It would be a different story if he made money with this song, but he doesn't, so he doesn't benefit from the sample at all. That's why I think it's ok. 

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

On 1/18/2020 at 2:38 PM, Platypus2000 said:

If this was released by any other band I guarantee people wouldn’t be reading into the lyrics so much. 

You know, I was thinking about this and I think in the end you are partially right. Not about the any, but I did grew up listening to rock music with lyrics I can relate to, including GD songs. Therefore I always try to pay attention to the lyrics of rock songs, not only GD songs, and when I find a relatable element I love to spend time trying to interpret what the author is singing about.
At the same time I also grew up with the (wrong) stereotype that songs belonging to genres like hip hop and mainstream pop can’t have lyrics I can relate to and therefore I used to (and probably still do) pay less attention to the lyrics of such songs. I realized how much sometimes I miss and missed only when friends loving artists like Lady Gaga, Billie Eilish or Loyle Carner made me pay more attention to their songs, and from that I also learned to like their work. So yes, you are right, if these lyrics were used in a hip hop song I might not even pay attention to them.

I also think that being a GD fan also helped me a lot in this sense tho, since they directly or indirectly exposed me to many music genres, and in the last few years something clicked and I started to appreciate songs that 10 years ago I would have probably ignored. Without GD I would probably not be listening to a bunch of Italian rappers and trappers from time to time, even if this do sounds absurd also to me 😂 Not saying that it is necessarily a good or bad thing, just writing down my perspective over this.  
 

 

[That Dude]

6 hours ago, Sheenius said:

You should be the next Green Day producer

Take this forum down with no survivors 

I'm thinking I'll have Billie do the "Father of all" voice again, but this time wearing a Bane mask.  Then auto-tune the hell out of it.   

Going to strap garbage cans to Tre Cools drumsticks, filled with gasoline.   

Mike Dirnt will play bass.   Oh, and have 10 songs worth of lead vocals.   Out of 14.  

 

 

[Beyza]

8 minutes ago, CherryBombs&Gasoline said:

I was thinking about the whole Gary Glitter thing, too, and it's kind of complicated. However, for me, there's a difference between an artist and his work. Don't get me wrong, there's absolutely no justification for what this guy did. Not at all. I didn't know him before but I looked up his story and it's absolutely disgusting. 

But where do we draw the line when it comes to these things? Can I still watch movies produced by Harvey Weinstein? Movies featuring Kevin Spacey? Can I listen to Michael Jackson? I think as soon as a piece of art is out there, it doesn't belong to the artist anymore, it belongs to everyone. I hate what this guy did, but that's him as a person, not his music. It would be a different story if he made money with this song, but he doesn't, so he doesn't benefit from the sample at all. That's why I think it's ok. 

It's not something necessary about that situation but there are a lot of well-respected artists in the world who are actually really racist, misogynist, homophobic etc. but majority of people usually continue showing their respect to them and appreciate them as a person because of their status and overall contributions to that particular field they work in.  It think so, it's hard and not likely judging an artist or exculiding from society in some way because of their personal beliefs and approach to particular things cause there are too many examples like this happened in the world so far. 

[CherryBombs&Gasoline]

10 minutes ago, Beyza said:

It's not something necessary about that situation but there are a lot of well-respected artists in the world who are actually really racist, misogynist, homophobic etc. but majority of people usually continue showing their respect to them and appreciate them as a person because of their status and overall contributions to that particular field they work in.  It think so, it's hard and not likely judging an artist or exculiding from society in some way because of their personal beliefs and approach to particular things cause there are too many examples like this happened in the world so far. 

I agree with you, a lot of famous people, no matter what field they're working in, are getting away with too many things. On the other hand, we can't just erase their work/art. Sometimes it's hard to accept that horrible people can create something that we love or enjoy. And you're right, it's not correct to act as if their bad actions never happened. But what would be the alternative? Ban everything that they have created? I just don't think that would be the right way. In this particular case, this guy doesn't really profit from it because a.) he doesn't get any money and b.) by donating their earnings, the band actually points out what a shitty person he is. 

[Beyza]

The single is #14 now in the US iTunes Alternative Chart, was #10 two days ago. 

http://www.itunescharts.net/us/charts/songs/alternative/

[CherryBombs&Gasoline]

4 minutes ago, Beyza said:

The single is #14 now in the US iTunes Alternative Chart, was #10 two days ago. 

http://www.itunescharts.net/us/charts/songs/alternative/

It's weird that the songs on this chart are actually considered alternative. I mean Halsey and Lewis Capaldi? Not judging their music, but I'm finding it more and more difficult to draw the line between alternative and other genres. Feels like they label everything that isn't clearly rap or Taylor Swift 'alternative'. They're the only rock band there though, so I guess 14 isn't too bad. 

[Lenny]

2 hours ago, That Dude said:

I'm thinking I'll have Billie do the "Father of all" voice again, but this time wearing a Bane mask.  Then auto-tune the hell out of it.   

Going to strap garbage cans to Tre Cools drumsticks, filled with gasoline.   

Mike Dirnt will play bass.   Oh, and have 10 songs worth of lead vocals.   Out of 14.  

 

 

the next GD masterpiece

26 minutes ago, CherryBombs&Gasoline said:

It's weird that the songs on this chart are actually considered alternative. I mean Halsey and Lewis Capaldi? Not judging their music, but I'm finding it more and more difficult to draw the line between alternative and other genres. Feels like they label everything that isn't clearly rap or Taylor Swift 'alternative'. They're the only rock band there though, so I guess 14 isn't too bad. 

I thought Itunes wasn't a thing anymore

2 hours ago, Beyza said:

It's not something necessary about that situation but there are a lot of well-respected artists in the world who are actually really racist, misogynist, homophobic etc. but majority of people usually continue showing their respect to them and appreciate them as a person because of their status and overall contributions to that particular field they work in.  It think so, it's hard and not likely judging an artist or exculiding from society in some way because of their personal beliefs and approach to particular things cause there are too many examples like this happened in the world so far. 

Kanye is a racist yet everyone is still on that bandwagon