Beyza Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: Am I assuming that Billie is bipolar, and that he certainly is not an alcoholic?Absolutely not, what I am saying is that we have no fucking clue of what’s going on, we do not know his clinical record or what he has been diagnosed with. We are assuming that his problem is being an alcoholic based on a bunch of interviews from 5-6 years ago which could be as far as possible from the current reality, his current diagnosis, and his therapy. We don’t know and the discussions are actually pointless I agree but I really hope he doesn’t have bipolar. It could be more dangerous than drinking problems imo but he said hasn’t had a tendency to suicide. So, still can’t know yeah but I just hope for better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Beyza said: We don’t know and the discussions are actually pointless I agree but I really hope he doesn’t have bipolar. It could be more dangerous than drinking problems imo but he said hasn’t had a tendency to suicide. So, still can’t know yeah but I just hope for better Bipolar disorder is not something that equals to suicidal tendencies, has many different variants and way to manifest itself, but is overall manageable and with today’s knowledge people can live a happy life learning how to live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I'd point out that bipolar was most likely only used like an example by HRU, there are many other illnesses that might make people more prone to substance abuse, depression, BPD, anxiety disorders etc. and they all suck lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyza Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: Bipolar disorder is not something that equals to suicidal tendencies, has many different variants and way to manifest itself, but is overall manageable and with today’s knowledge people can live a happy life learning how to live with it. Yes, I know that but it still could be dangerous and life-threatening. It may be hard to realize and end up badly also those kind of incidents not so rare especially in the past. So, I’d just be worried if it was the case for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Beerjeezus said: The part where Billie goes I gave up downers not other drugs or something along those lines and then there's that ad tm on the opposite page, jfc. What kind of marketing is this. Especially when in the interview Billie says that death of a musician can be a great marketing tool (echoing the tweet he saw). How can he allow himself to be exploited in that way and not be freaked out by it? The interview seemed more honest on the subject but I still think he’s wrong to downplay what happened in 2012. I get that he’s always gonna be dealing with substances (and he includes drugs in that saying he only avoids certain ones so I’m guessing he’s not clean either) but all the more reason why he should have stuck with the program and not stepped off after five years but I can’t judge him. It’s just sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Beyza said: Yes, I know that but it still could be dangerous and life-threatening. It may be hard to realize and end up badly also those kind of incidents not so rare especially in the past. So, I’d just be worried if it was the case for him Sure, (and this is not “against” you) but I also don’t want to start a “Billie might be bipolar” rumor or whatever. Just preach the “all I know is that I don’t know nothing” philosophy and this: 21 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: I'd point out that bipolar was most likely only used like an example by HRU, there are many other illnesses that might make people more prone to substance abuse, depression, BPD, anxiety disorders etc. and they all suck lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said: Especially when in the interview Billie says that death of a musician can be a great marketing tool (echoing the tweet he saw). How can he allow himself to be exploited in that way and not be freaked out by it? The interview seemed more honest on the subject but I still think he’s wrong to downplay what happened in 2012. I get that he’s always gonna be dealing with substances (and he includes drugs in that saying he only avoids certain ones so I’m guessing he’s not clean either) but all the more reason why he should have stuck with the program and not stepped off after five years but I can’t judge him. It’s just sad. I think getting out of drugs/alcohol is the most difficult thing to do in the world (when you're an addict). It's hard to completely stop all of that for ever. I think it's way more easy to moderate tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: Sure, (and this is not “against” you) but I also don’t want to start a “Billie might be bipolar” rumor or whatever. Just this: There’s never been any evidence of BPD but from his music and interviews he has spoken much about anxiety, depression, panic disorder and PTSD so those are plenty and the ones I believe he suffers from. As far as family traits, both anxiety and alcoholism run heavily through his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: There’s never been any evidence of BPD but from his music and interviews he has spoken much about anxiety, depression, panic disorder and PTSD so those are plenty and the ones I believe he suffers from. As far as family traits, both anxiety and alcoholism run heavily through his family. I am not saying this to support or deny a theory or whatever, but until not a long time ago, and still today (fortunately to a smaller scale), the distinction between symptoms and causes of mood disorders was very difficult. As an example, Bipolar disorder of type II present both depression and anxiety as common symptoms, and often people suffering of this kind of disease have been misdiagnosed as suffering the depressive disorder (which is also a completely different thing from what we usually call “depression” and is just a normal fluctuation of our mood). This was especially true in the recent past, when bipolar disease had a really bad stigma and ignorance surrounding it, also among doctors. The relationship between substance abuse and mental health goes along with this, defining if someone is an alcoholic or if the abuse of alcohol is the symptom of something else is not that easy. And, again, I am not trying to push forward another theory or whatever. I am using the bipolar disorder as an example because unfortunately I have knowledge of it. I am just saying that even doctors struggle to diagnose correctly mood disorders, we certainly can’t do it based on lyrics, interviews and rumors. I would leave that to the doctors, as well as deciding what is and is not a lifestyle compatible with his condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Especially when in the interview Billie says that death of a musician can be a great marketing tool (echoing the tweet he saw). How can he allow himself to be exploited in that way and not be freaked out by it? The interview seemed more honest on the subject but I still think he’s wrong to downplay what happened in 2012. I get that he’s always gonna be dealing with substances (and he includes drugs in that saying he only avoids certain ones so I’m guessing he’s not clean either) but all the more reason why he should have stuck with the program and not stepped off after five years but I can’t judge him. It’s just sad. Well, I guess he doesn't mind it being used in their marketing. It seems he's playing into it himself. It is fucked up though. I don't want to go pepe silvia in public, but yeah, it doesn't surprise me he's using drugs (see New Years' Eve/other recent side project shows). I don't know. It's reasonable that he's avoiding downers, but of course that doesn't mean other drugs are completely safe. Whatever floats his boat, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmmaCharlatan&Saints Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 After reading the interview in full I will admit that one or two of the quotes do make me a little worried about how blasé he appears to be about it. He refers to to iHeart to him being like a theatrical performance while also saying it was a really dark time for adrienne and the kids....he also says when asked if hew worried about falling back into old habits he says ''I go through cycles where Im really healthy, then I'll get that feeling where I'm not.......having enough fun'' I mean Im not an expert but if he's simply drinking and possibly taking anything again because of fun then that seems like something that could easily get out of hand again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyza Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: it doesn't surprise me he's using drugs (see New Years' Eve/other recent side project shows). I don't know. It's reasonable that he's avoiding downers, but of course that doesn't mean other drugs are completely safe. Whatever floats his boat, I guess. May I ask what did he mean by drugs that he still taking in that interview? I couldn't get it I guess like I get he meant not taking prescription drugs anymore like anodyne etc. in other interviews too but I've never seen before he talked about other than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Beyza said: May I ask what did he mean by drugs that he still taking in that interview? I couldn't get it I guess like I get he meant not taking prescription drugs anymore like anodyne etc. in other interviews too but I've never seen before he talked about other than that He said he's avoiding any drugs that work as downers which implies he's open to doing other kinds of drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage Disciple Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Beyza said: May I ask what did he mean by drugs that he still taking in that interview? I couldn't get it I guess like I get he meant not taking prescription drugs anymore like anodyne etc. in other interviews too but I've never seen before he talked about other than that 1 minute ago, Beerjeezus said: He said he's avoiding any drugs that work as downers which implies he's open to doing other kinds of drugs. I guess it is safe to say he's referring to coke as one of them since there has been so much reference to it. Also, wasn't there an IG post a while ago where people where asking if there was coke on the table or did I imagine that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 At least coke isn't dangerous. Phew ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Vintage Disciple said: I guess it is safe to say he's referring to coke as one of them since there has been so much reference to it. Also, wasn't there an IG post a while ago where people where asking if there was coke on the table or did I imagine that? That did happen. Someone said it was cigarette ashes, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Vintage Disciple said: I guess it is safe to say he's referring to coke as one of them since there has been so much reference to it. Also, wasn't there an IG post a while ago where people where asking if there was coke on the table or did I imagine that? I didn't want to say that. Yeah the post was there. 4 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said: At least coke isn't dangerous. Phew ! Well, it's safer than meth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyza Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Vintage Disciple said: I guess it is safe to say he's referring to coke as one of them since there has been so much reference to it. Also, wasn't there an IG post a while ago where people where asking if there was coke on the table or did I imagine that? I think it was not coke 14 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: He said he's avoiding any drugs that work as downers which implies he's open to doing other kinds of drugs. So, then he is open to ones make him high. Like highers (?) in downers out lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Beyza said: I think it was not coke So, then he is open to ones make him high. Like highers (?) in downers out lol Stimulants would be my guess, they're the other group to choose from aside from hallucinogenics, which usually aren't addictive so they're probably not really an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PursuitOfEpicness Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I hope he's seeing a professional, whether it's a substance abuse counselor or therapist. Truth is we wouldn't be able to know his diagnoses and why for sure he's self-medicating other than what he openly says (Anxiety, PTSD). It is really difficult to not only get off of drugs for fun but if you're self-medicating it's probably harder. I find it troubling he downplays that moment but i think it's a defense mechanism. If Billie can drink moderately I'm happy for him and I encourage him to do it if he's fine however, that is very hard to do and we don't know what else he's openly using. Sounds like he had a lot of issues with pills. We don't know if he used any pills besides downers. I just hope he's doing okay... I don't want him to go on tour and go through all this promotional stuff if he's not mentally well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Am I the only one who's less alarmed after reading this? I'd be worried if he went full Jaded in Chicago 94, but if he's able to use recreationally then whatever, have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PursuitOfEpicness Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Beerjeezus said: Am I the only one who's less alarmed after reading this? I'd be worried if he went full Jaded in Chicago 94, but if he's able to use recreationally then whatever, have fun. I'm not sure if you mean street drugs but recreationally using pills/street drugs is obviously dangerous, so that would alarm me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: Am I the only one who's less alarmed after reading this? I'd be worried if he went full Jaded in Chicago 94, but if he's able to use recreationally then whatever, have fun. Sure but substance abuse is still dangerous particularly the older you get and overdoses are usually called accidents for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, PursuitOfEpicness said: I'm not sure if you mean street drugs but recreationally using pills/street drugs is obviously dangerous, so that would alarm me. He is a rockstar millionaire. I assume he has access to quality stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PursuitOfEpicness Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, pacejunkie punk said: Sure but substance abuse is still dangerous particularly the older you get and overdoses are usually called accidents for a reason. You don't notice how high your tolerance can get to feel high so that's terrifying Just now, Beerjeezus said: He is a rockstar millionaire. I assume he has access to quality stuff. Sorry if i sound like a mom but...No such thing as quality drugs my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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