Albums that had the wrong single choices

[Hyperion]

For Warning I feel like Fashion Victim might have been good.

[Killjoy From Detroit]

I think Armatage Shanks would have been a great single for Insomniac

[That Dude]

The Trilogy could have turned out so differently..

The right combo of singles could have made Dos and Tre successful. 

I enjoyed all the singles from Rev Rad but was very disappointed they only did three aftet we had gotten 5 from most of their albums.  

 

[Lenny]

7 hours ago, That Dude said:

The Trilogy could have turned out so differently..

The right combo of singles could have made Dos and Tre successful. 

 

The mixing and mastering on the tracks were absolute garbage though and the trilogy wasn't recorded well. It's even more noticeable as it's placed next to 21st century breakdown. 

While single choices or lack of singles in general could have affected it the major issues behind the project itself would still remain unchanged. 

The trilogy like Warning served as a transition period for the band. True fans will see past the flaws and will find something in it for them. It's 37 songs for the fans. 

 

 

[That Dude]

The Trilogy singles were:   Oh Love / Kill the DJ  / Let Yourself Go

and then a mangled disaster of promotion followed, with these other songs basically being thrown out into the cold:    

Stray Heart / X-Kid  / Forgotten   

 

If things had went well, this is what the band could have done with planned singles from Dos and Tre:

DOS:  

Stray Heart (a catchy song with a really cool video - I'd love to hear more about the making of that one!)

Amy (After the 1-2-3-4 punch of all those fast singles, we get the ballad.  A video cutting between Billie and Amy would have been super powerful)  

Stop When the Red Lights Flash (Not a great radio single, but who knows.   Could have done well).

Lazy Bones (not planned, but due to an overwhelming response this is an additional single.   Just a perfect Green Day song!)

 

TRE:  

X-Kid (With a real music video, and radio play.  One of the best trilogy songs, this could have pushed sells of Tre!)

8th Avenue Serenade (Fans seem to like this one, probably would have at least charted)

99 Revolutions (the band loves this one, so they would have pushed it hard. Not sure what that video would look like, but it would have been a standard Green Day single, doing pretty darn good on the charts and radio) 

The Forgotten (while we got that Twilight video that was worse than watching a cassette tape spin for 3 minutes and 41 seconds, this would be the Green Day version.   

 

So there you have it.   The Trilogy should have had AT LEAST 9 singles.   I would have preferred 12 or 15 but hey.   They had 9 planned.   And they were promoted the everliving crap out of the Trilogy before the trouble begin.   

I think really think they would have sold in the ballpark of Breakdown if it went according to plan.  

Trilogy fans unite!  Especially as we go into this dark age of Father of All...., which we will no doubt have to defend just as much or even harder than the Trilogy.   

On that note, how is the Trilogy Tribe feeling about Father of All....?   We on board with this?   I hope so.  

 

Haha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

14 minutes ago, That Dude said:

TRE:  

X-Kid (With a real music video, and radio play.  One of the best trilogy songs, this could have pushed sells of Tre!)

8th Avenue Serenade (Fans seem to like this one, probably would have at least charted)

99 Revolutions (the band loves this one, so they would have pushed it hard. Not sure what that video would look like, but it would have been a standard Green Day single, doing pretty darn good on the charts and radio) 

The Forgotten (while we got that Twilight video that was worse than watching a cassette tape spin for 3 minutes and 41 seconds, this would be the Green Day version.   

Everytime someone talks about iTré! and they don't mention Little Boy Named Train:

[Beerjeezus]

28 minutes ago, That Dude said:

Amy (After the 1-2-3-4 punch of all those fast singles, we get the ballad.  A video cutting between Billie and Amy would have been super powerful)  

Does he...stay alive by the time this comes out on this alternate timeline?

31 minutes ago, That Dude said:

On that note, how is the Trilogy Tribe feeling about Father of All....?   We on board with this?   I hope so. 

I'm not sure. I enjoy FOAM sounding like Dos but with more punch and liveness to the sound, but it's still a lot worse than the original Foxboro record and even Longshot, production wise. FRA is an good ad jingle but that's where it should have stayed. Trilogy is a Green Day record I still enjoy despite its flaws, FOAM feels more like a side project released as GD. Both is much better live.

[Lenny]

13 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said:

Everytime someone talks about iTré! and they don't mention Little Boy Named Train:

lmao not single material though. Tre is my least favourite GD album of all time. 

Uno did really well actually with the singles chosen. All 3 singles got airplay here. Oh Love got massive airplay. Kill The DJ was played as well in heavy rotation until Clear Channel lynch mobbed the band. Let Yourself Go had the least amount of airplay but was played for about a month on Alternative radio. I think with Uno we're on the same page the only thing really missing was Stay The Night but the recorded version they gave us is awful. 

With Dos, I think Lazy Bones would have been an incredible choice. I actually think there's more options for a single on Dos than any other albums of the trilogy. Amy could have been something, Stray Heart was catchy, Lady Cobra had potential for rock radio. I think Stop When The Red Lights Flash had potential as well. There's more options despite singles from Uno being more qualified as a home run swing. 

Then we come to Tre... for single choices it blows its load on the first two songs. This album is plagued by that terrible recording, mixing and mastering to the point where I can't get over it. That disqualifies 99 Revolutions and The Forgotten from even being considered choices for me. Both could have sat on different charts during the same period. Like Dos the choices for singles here are not as clear cut and dry as Uno but this one is just too plagued. X-Kid was the safe play and it makes sense why it was chosen. As a fan it doesn't do much for me though. 

 

 

 

[That Dude]

2 hours ago, Beerjeezus said:

Does he...stay alive by the time this comes out on this alternate timeline?

I'm not sure. I enjoy FOAM sounding like Dos but with more punch and liveness to the sound, but it's still a lot worse than the original Foxboro record and even Longshot, production wise. FRA is an good ad jingle but that's where it should have stayed. Trilogy is a Green Day record I still enjoy despite its flaws, FOAM feels more like a side project released as GD. Both is much better live.

oh oh oh.  He's still alive, but bleeding from the storm.   Amy stays alive too.   

Guess we'll have to wait and see what the rest of the album holds because at this point, we are not even certain that FIRE READY AIM IS part of Father of All.   It probably is, but maybe not.   

It's up to each and every one of us how we feel about a record.   My faith in Green Day is unwavering at this moment in time.   

 

2 hours ago, Sheenius said:

lmao not single material though. Tre is my least favourite GD album of all time. 

Uno did really well actually with the singles chosen. All 3 singles got airplay here. Oh Love got massive airplay. Kill The DJ was played as well in heavy rotation until Clear Channel lynch mobbed the band. Let Yourself Go had the least amount of airplay but was played for about a month on Alternative radio. I think with Uno we're on the same page the only thing really missing was Stay The Night but the recorded version they gave us is awful. 

With Dos, I think Lazy Bones would have been an incredible choice. I actually think there's more options for a single on Dos than any other albums of the trilogy. Amy could have been something, Stray Heart was catchy, Lady Cobra had potential for rock radio. I think Stop When The Red Lights Flash had potential as well. There's more options despite singles from Uno being more qualified as a home run swing. 

Then we come to Tre... for single choices it blows its load on the first two songs. This album is plagued by that terrible recording, mixing and mastering to the point where I can't get over it. That disqualifies 99 Revolutions and The Forgotten from even being considered choices for me. Both could have sat on different charts during the same period. Like Dos the choices for singles here are not as clear cut and dry as Uno but this one is just too plagued. X-Kid was the safe play and it makes sense why it was chosen. As a fan it doesn't do much for me though. 

 

 

 

Little Boy Named Train in one my least favorites from the Trilogy, along with Amanda.   

I like these two songs, but feel that's the weak link the Daisy Chain of the Trilogy.   

 

Since Green Day are being all weird this time around, maybe they could hold us over with retro single releases instead of spoiling anymore of a short album!   

Some Trilogy singles, some Rev Rad singles, or some non-album tracks!  

Or maybe some Billie Joe solo songs under his own name?   

Longshot songs? 

I dunno, I am just so pumped about the new album (s).   

 

 

 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

12 minutes ago, That Dude said:

Little Boy Named Train in one my least favorites from the Trilogy

[WhiteTim]

The trilogy was far from “terribly recorded” and I’m not exactly a trilogy fan 

Yes the clean tones didn’t match up to the songs but that has nothing to do with the actual recording 

[Hyperion]

1 hour ago, That Dude said:

Little Boy Named Train in one my least favorites from the Trilogy

What about Nightlife?

[Lenny]

1 hour ago, WhiteTim said:

The trilogy was far from “terribly recorded” and I’m not exactly a trilogy fan 

Yes the clean tones didn’t match up to the songs but that has nothing to do with the actual recording 

I don't think it's all terribly recorded to clarify but they did fuck up some possibly huge moments. There are some that were recorded well as there was 37 recordings but I thought many of the recordings didn't capture the energy of the songs. The cleaner tones aren't the culprit for me. They made the songs sound brighter but the compression kills it. Mixing and Mastering is also very subjective atleast at the professional level. What does the artist want? What is the audience searching for? 

I really enjoyed the dirty guitar sounds on Rush - Vapor Trails and I remember that mixing and mastering job was criticized by a lot of their fans on another forum I was on. I actually thought the imperfection in those mixes made it perfect. Then again most of their fans were like 50+ and probably can't stand hearing it cause of their tinnitus from listening to Rush for 30 years prior 😂

The trilogy as a recording project was not all bad it's just not consistent or cohesive as a recording project for me personally. FOAMF is quite interesting as well. For the title track I found Mike's bass to be muddy and is only really complimented by a phone speaker or small speaker. The drums sound great though. 

 

[Miko]

31 minutes ago, A Human Who Loves GD said:

What about Nightlife?

Not even close to the worst when on Tre there is Drama Queen and The Forgotten.

[Hyperion]

11 minutes ago, Miko said:

Not even close to the worst when on Tre there is Drama Queen and The Forgotten.

The Forgotten is not bad if you ignore the fact that it was made by GD.

[Beerjeezus]

7 minutes ago, A Human Who Loves GD said:

The Forgotten is not bad if you ignore the fact that it was made by GD.

It's such a generic Beatles-like song though. Not bad, but BJ probably can write like this very easily.

[The Grohl]

The Forgotten is just so boring and bland to me. It's a song I always forgot, which seems appropriate given the name

 

[Lenny]

2 minutes ago, kaylubd said:

The Forgotten is just so boring and bland to me. It's a song I always forgot, which seems appropriate given the name

 

If it was remastered with a new tracklist and it was removed would you ask "Where in the world is The Forgotten?" 

[greendepent]

2 hours ago, Sheenius said:

I don't think it's all terribly recorded to clarify but they did fuck up some possibly huge moments. There are some that were recorded well as there was 37 recordings but I thought many of the recordings didn't capture the energy of the songs. The cleaner tones aren't the culprit for me. They made the songs sound brighter but the compression kills it. Mixing and Mastering is also very subjective atleast at the professional level. What does the artist want? What is the audience searching for? 

I really enjoyed the dirty guitar sounds on Rush - Vapor Trails and I remember that mixing and mastering job was criticized by a lot of their fans on another forum I was on. I actually thought the imperfection in those mixes made it perfect. Then again most of their fans were like 50+ and probably can't stand hearing it cause of their tinnitus from listening to Rush for 30 years prior 😂

The trilogy as a recording project was not all bad it's just not consistent or cohesive as a recording project for me personally. FOAMF is quite interesting as well. For the title track I found Mike's bass to be muddy and is only really complimented by a phone speaker or small speaker. The drums sound great though. 

 

I agree that mixing and mastering is subjective. Everything is on the ear of the beholder, but also knowing the limitations of humar hearing is important to avoid making decisions that later you will need to correct. That's why American Idiot has been remixed twice. The example of the Trilogy is quite funny, because those aren't that compressed in their CD versions as AI, 21cb or RevRad are. The most of the audience is ignorant how songs are made, so you can put pretty much any half decent song, and they will like it or at least accept it.

For Vapor Trails, I like the sound, but the mastering killed it. That record is just another victim of the Loudness War, that ironically, Green Day helped to stablish as one viable trend. That's why is the only Rush record that was remixed and remastered from the start on 2013.

Back on topic. I never felt such a dissapointment waiting for Oh Love, listening at 4 am with some friends and then wondering what the fuck we had listened. The Trilogy was destined to be a hit. Or at least, ¡Uno! if they started the promo with Stay the Night, or Nuclear Family, then Kill the DJ and then Oh Love or Rusty James. I admit that Oh Love is catchy and it has some good vibe live, but it struggles being a lead single.

[That Dude]

8 hours ago, A Human Who Loves GD said:

What about Nightlife?

It's one of my favorites.   

It actually should have been a single too.  It would have been their biggest hit ever.  

They should have kept that sound going on other songs.   Made entire albums like that.  

Lady Cobra and the Mystic Knights of the Cobra are super awesome and I can't wait to hear more from them!  !!!!!!
 

[The Grohl]

As much as I like Nightlife, I can't stand Lady Cobra's bland rap. I would love to hear the song with an actual good rapper or at least someone with a better voice.

[Lenny]

49 minutes ago, kaylubd said:

As much as I like Nightlife, I can't stand Lady Cobra's bland rap. I would love to hear the song with an actual good rapper or at least someone with a better voice.

Honestly, forget about The Armstrongs, this was a chance to put Tim Armstrong on a GD song. Big big big miss for Green Day and it's disappointing cause if you take away the Lady Cobra vocals and listen to the instrumental it's actually really great. 

If they wanted to push a younger artist that needed a push I'd take Rat Boy it fits the whole Rock-Rap thing or if you wanted to keep that part strictly female Aimee Interrupter would be a perfect fit. 

It went from being Green Day's Guns of Brixton to the most criticized song in the fanbase. 

 

[Beerjeezus]

18 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

Honestly, forget about The Armstrongs, this was a chance to put Tim Armstrong on a GD song. Big big big miss for Green Day and it's disappointing cause if you take away the Lady Cobra vocals and listen to the instrumental it's actually really great. 

If they wanted to push a younger artist that needed a push I'd take Rat Boy it fits the whole Rock-Rap thing or if you wanted to keep that part strictly female Aimee Interrupter would be a perfect fit. 

It went from being Green Day's Guns of Brixton to the most criticized song in the fanbase. 

Wow now that you said it I can't get the sound of Tim saying "if you wanna explore my vocal cords" from my imagination 

[Lenny]

1 minute ago, Beerjeezus said:

Wow now that you said it I can't get the sound of Tim saying "if you wanna explore my vocal cords" from my imagination 

I would explore them if I were you. There's a mystery going on with them. 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

35 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

Honestly, forget about The Armstrongs, this was a chance to put Tim Armstrong on a GD song. Big big big miss for Green Day and it's disappointing cause if you take away the Lady Cobra vocals and listen to the instrumental it's actually really great. 

If they wanted to push a younger artist that needed a push I'd take Rat Boy it fits the whole Rock-Rap thing or if you wanted to keep that part strictly female Aimee Interrupter would be a perfect fit. 

It went from being Green Day's Guns of Brixton to the most criticized song in the fanbase. 

 

Aimee. No doubt.