Upcoming 2 Billie’s Rolling Stone Interview

[Lenny]

On 10/30/2019 at 8:24 AM, solongfromthestars said:

I prefer a bit of awkwardness over "yeah, I'm filthy rich, it's amazing!" In some ways, his answer showed quite how hard he worked to escape poverty, because it showed he hadn't forgotten it.

but then if a person with no fame says it the same way the forum goes on to call them an asshole. I also wouldn't use the word poverty. He wasn't in poverty. He wasn't well off but definitely not poverty. 

Remember the hardest times they ever endured were a known sacrifice to continue playing music. Poverty is a situation where there's no choice. 

 

[Beerjeezus]

1 hour ago, Long Lost King of Fools said:

Died laughing at this! Wait, why aren't you worried about guillotining Tré?  I'm just curious comrade  

Oh good point comrade  I wasn't considering Tre because we were discussing businesses they own and I don't know if Tre has any, so I'm not worried about having to overthrow him as a capitalist haha

[DookieLukie]

So Dave Grohl got a Beatle but Billie Joe gets some angsty rich girl? Shows what the media thinks of Green Day.

[Beerjeezus]

11 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

So Dave Grohl got a Beatle but Billie Joe gets some angsty rich girl? Shows what the media thinks of Green Day.

Are they wrong? I thought it's been long established that Billie Joe is a joke.

[WhiteTim]

9 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

So Dave Grohl got a Beatle but Billie Joe gets some angsty rich girl? Shows what the media thinks of Green Day.

Well Dave and Paul are friends have made several songs together so that was a natural match up 

[Alan86]

33 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

Well Dave and Paul are friends have made several songs together so that was a natural match up 

It wasn't Paul, it was Ringo. Both are drummers though so still a natural match up.

[WhiteTim]

21 minutes ago, Alan86 said:

It wasn't Paul, it was Ringo. Both are drummers though so still a natural match up.

Ahhh didn’t see it was Ringo 

[DookieLukie]

22 minutes ago, Alan86 said:

It wasn't Paul, it was Ringo. Both are drummers though so still a natural match up.

And Billie and Billie are both...emo artists?

[Alan86]

Just now, DookieLukie said:

And Billie and Billie are both...emo artists?

I think you are brushing over the fact that they are both called Billie 😂

[WhiteTim]

20 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

And Billie and Billie are both...emo artists?

They both have Billie as a first name is most likely why they were teamed up 

[Squashie]

26 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

And Billie and Billie are both...emo artists?

Or ya know, their both fans of each other... 

both are songwriters... 

they met at one of her shows earlier in the year. 

[WhiteTim]

Or they paired up because that’s how Rolling Stones did it and they agreed to it 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

I think they paired them up because they’re admirers of each other, they have the same name, and it was cross generational. And it worked. Good call. 

Also, like her not, Billie E is currently one of the biggest musical artists out there. So I think this interview was a really good for Billie Joe.

[DookieLukie]

If Billie admires here, it makes sense that their musical quality is dropping so much.

[Lenny]

2 hours ago, Billie Joe's Eyelids said:

I think they paired them up because they’re admirers of each other, they have the same name, and it was cross generational. And it worked. Good call. 

Also, like her not, Billie E is currently one of the biggest musical artists out there. So I think this interview was a really good for Billie Joe.

Currently 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

6 hours ago, SnaggletoothRecords said:

Currently 

It really doesn’t matter. This interview currently introduced Billie Joe to millions of young people who most likely looked up Green Day songs. 

[solongfromthestars]

13 hours ago, SnaggletoothRecords said:

but then if a person with no fame says it the same way the forum goes on to call them an asshole. I also wouldn't use the word poverty. He wasn't in poverty. He wasn't well off but definitely not poverty. 

Remember the hardest times they ever endured were a known sacrifice to continue playing music. Poverty is a situation where there's no choice. 

 

I said I prefer awkwardness to bragging about wealth, not that bragging is acceptable if it's a famous person.

Living in a rat infested warehouse because he couldn't afford the rent his mum demanded is poverty. It wasn't just about playing music. From what he's described, I'm sure even his parents were below the poverty line having to feed six kids, especially after his dad died. I mean, Billie himself doesn't call himself middle-class, he calls himself working-class.

[pacejunkie punk]

1 hour ago, Billie Joe's Eyelids said:

It really doesn’t matter. This interview currently introduced Billie Joe to millions of young people who most likely looked up Green Day songs. 

That’s basically how I discovered Operation Ivy. It works.

[Beerjeezus]

You know what? I got it it should have been Morrissey

[Lenny]

3 hours ago, solongfromthestars said:

I said I prefer awkwardness to bragging about wealth, not that bragging is acceptable if it's a famous person.

Living in a rat infested warehouse because he couldn't afford the rent his mum demanded is poverty. It wasn't just about playing music. From what he's described, I'm sure even his parents were below the poverty line having to feed six kids, especially after his dad died. I mean, Billie himself doesn't call himself middle-class, he calls himself working-class.

I get what you're saying but there's really no reason to be awkward. He has said on multiple occasions he's been able to allow his family to live comfortably because of the success. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Any one who has a problem with that is a sore loser end of story. 

Working class essentially is middle class. Backbone of the economy. The 1% can't do it without us. Welfare state can't do it without us. Universal health care systems don't exist without us. Government doesn't collect their generous pensions without us. 

They ended up in the warehouse because they sacrificed to continue playing music. You're acting like they weren't able to get a regular job to pay the rent... This is how these things work. They were willing to accept the opportunity costs associated with pursuing a career in music. I KNOW because I did it. I had one pair of jeans with a giant hole in them. This is also isn't california either. I had to wear those in -40 conditions. Had to wear those for 2-3 years.  I accepted that to pursue music. I was well aware at any time I could some bs job and get myself out of that if needed. 

I respect them for making that sacrifice I know hard it is but I'm not gonna go around saying they were in poverty. Also, what's considered as "poverty" by society in N.A is practically a joke. 

 

 

 

 

[solongfromthestars]

1 hour ago, SnaggletoothRecords said:

I get what you're saying but there's really no reason to be awkward. He has said on multiple occasions he's been able to allow his family to live comfortably because of the success. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Any one who has a problem with that is a sore loser end of story. 

Working class essentially is middle class. Backbone of the economy. The 1% can't do it without us. Welfare state can't do it without us. Universal health care systems don't exist without us. Government doesn't collect their generous pensions without us. 

They ended up in the warehouse because they sacrificed to continue playing music. You're acting like they weren't able to get a regular job to pay the rent... This is how these things work. They were willing to accept the opportunity costs associated with pursuing a career in music. I KNOW because I did it. I had one pair of jeans with a giant hole in them. This is also isn't california either. I had to wear those in -40 conditions. Had to wear those for 2-3 years.  I accepted that to pursue music. I was well aware at any time I could some bs job and get myself out of that if needed. 

I respect them for making that sacrifice I know hard it is but I'm not gonna go around saying they were in poverty. Also, what's considered as "poverty" by society in N.A is practically a joke. 

 

 

I'm still going to respect someone who's awkward more than someone who outright brags. You can choose to brag but that doesn't mean people will react well.

I don't need this explained to me, mate. My partner is an extremely successful musician who grew up in the same scene. Many people living in that squalor were doing so because music was their only option and they struggled to do otherwise. They'd been kicked out of homes and jobs and generally rejected. My partner often says it was music or death. That was the basis of the scene. Sure, some were rich kids who thought they were being edgy, but most weren't. To clarify it was  just Billie in the warehouse, not Mike or Tre, although Tré did live in the middle of nowhere with no running water or windows so that wasn't great either.

Also, I'm not in North America. I'm part Moroccan. But I think us continuing to discuss this is pointless so we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Lenny]

8 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said:

I'm still going to respect someone who's awkward more than someone who outright brags. You can choose to brag but that doesn't mean people will react well.

I don't need this explained to me, mate. My partner is an extremely successful musician who grew up in the same scene. Many people living in that squalor were doing so because music was their only option and they struggled to do otherwise. They'd been kicked out of homes and jobs and generally rejected. My partner often says it was music or death. That was the basis of the scene. Sure, some were rich kids who thought they were being edgy, but most weren't. Also, I'm not in North America. I'm part Moroccan. But I think us continuing to discuss this is pointless so we'll have to agree to disagree.

but I never mentioned bragging so where is that coming from? Why do you insist on quoting things that weren't stated directly? Saying your family has been able to live comfortably is not bragging. When welfare state protests isn't the basis of their whole stance on living comfortably rather than being behind? Or should we just scrap success altogether? Let's just throw the towel in, grab our basic income, give up our rights and interests... 

Also being Moroccan or American or whatever doesn't change a situation in a country or continent. Your nationality is irrelevant to the economic landscape of a region. 

I hardly believe music was "the only option" considering the music industry actually holds less jobs for musicians than most average industries. It was maybe their only personal choice. That's a lot different than what I'm saying. There's definitely choices. As a young person I chose that path to pursue something while ACCEPTING the costs associated. At any given time I could have picked up a shovel and chose something more comfortable. Are you really going to argue against opportunity costs? Like come on, that's silly. I also hardly believe there's a single economy out there where music is the ONLY job. And if it does exist who's paying the musicians? Does that even qualify as a job or an economy? 

The whole agree to disagree thing is really weak when presented this way. Obviously we can have our own opinions and disagree respectfully but to directly quote something that wasn't directly stated and to even ignore something like an opportunity costs of a decision is just plain ignorant. I don't mean any disrespect but come on you have to see this a little more objectively. 

[Hermione]

6 hours ago, solongfromthestars said:

I said I prefer awkwardness to bragging about wealth, not that bragging is acceptable if it's a famous person.

Living in a rat infested warehouse because he couldn't afford the rent his mum demanded is poverty. It wasn't just about playing music. From what he's described, I'm sure even his parents were below the poverty line having to feed six kids, especially after his dad died. I mean, Billie himself doesn't call himself middle-class, he calls himself working-class.

He "couldn't afford it" because he chose not to have a job though. He chose to live squatting with his friends with no rules and play music full time as a lifestyle choice instead of getting a job and paying rent. He does come from a poor background, there was nothing wrong with making that choice and it took balls to do it but it's still not the same as being homeless with no other choice but to live there. Like I know he's talked about shitting in a litter box and stuff but when he talked about it in earlier interviews it sounded more like he wanted to have fun with his friends living freely and cheaply rather than that he was in some kind of desperate situation.

[solongfromthestars]

1 hour ago, SnaggletoothRecords said:

but I never mentioned bragging so where is that coming from? Why do you insist on quoting things that weren't stated directly? Saying your family has been able to live comfortably is not bragging. When welfare state protests isn't the basis of their whole stance on living comfortably rather than being behind? Or should we just scrap success altogether? Let's just throw the towel in, grab our basic income, give up our rights and interests... 

Also being Moroccan or American or whatever doesn't change a situation in a country or continent. Your nationality is irrelevant to the economic landscape of a region. 

I hardly believe music was "the only option" considering the music industry actually holds less jobs for musicians than most average industries. It was maybe their only personal choice. That's a lot different than what I'm saying. There's definitely choices. As a young person I chose that path to pursue something while ACCEPTING the costs associated. At any given time I could have picked up a shovel and chose something more comfortable. Are you really going to argue against opportunity costs? Like come on, that's silly. I also hardly believe there's a single economy out there where music is the ONLY job. And if it does exist who's paying the musicians? Does that even qualify as a job or an economy? 

The whole agree to disagree thing is really weak when presented this way. Obviously we can have our own opinions and disagree respectfully but to directly quote something that wasn't directly stated and to even ignore something like an opportunity costs of a decision is just plain ignorant. I don't mean any disrespect but come on you have to see this a little more objectively. 

No one has actually said being proud of achievements or success is bad, though? They've said they can't respect bragging about wealth. Maybe you've taken it the wrong way, because that's what everyone's been saying since this discussion began. I think I even said that in my first post on this subject - which didn't actually quote you but was a comment on the discussion in general, as many of my comments have been since. If you're not bragging then the comments aren't directed at you.

Music was the only option because it was all many in the scene felt they could do. There were many valid reasons for that - being mentally/physically ill, high school dropouts, LGBTQA+, homeless, having criminal records, etc. Even Billie has said he couldn't hold a job down. They may not be barriers today but they were in that area in the 90s. Some never made it and later found they could work normal jobs as their lives stabilised or the world became more accepting. Others didn't and stayed homeless or died of addiction issues (Billie's friend Lucky and the guy X-Kid was about are prime examples). Hence the "music or death" comment. Obviously, none of us can say for certain whether or not that 100% applied to Green Day, so this is a general comment about the scene, not necessarily them personally. It's this I feel we'll have to agree to disagree on, because why would I agree with a stranger who wasn't there rather than my partner of nine years? You might have had similar experiences but not the same. That's not weak or ignorant, I just value a firsthand opinion more than a secondhand one.

You mentioned North America, which is why I said I'm not from there. Whether you agree with the definition of poverty anywhere in the world or not, I'm sure the band's families - like most in that scene - were below the legal poverty line even before they left home.

Anyway, I'm in Seville for MTV World Stage so I'm not going to reply again until I get home, sorry.

23 minutes ago, Hermione said:

He "couldn't afford it" because he chose not to have a job though. He chose to live squatting with his friends with no rules and play music full time as a lifestyle choice instead of getting a job and paying rent. He does come from a poor background, there was nothing wrong with making that choice and it took balls to do it but it's still not the same as being homeless with no other choice but to live there. Like I know he's talked about shitting in a litter box and stuff but when he talked about it in earlier interviews it sounded more like he wanted to have fun with his friends living freely and cheaply rather than that he was in some kind of desperate situation.

I'm not just talking about the warehouse though. They come from very poor backgrounds in general.

[Beerjeezus]

The thing with squatting is that people are doing it for various reasons. There are people who have no other choice because they've become homeless and can't afford paying rent, there are people who just don't give a fuck anymore  (drug addicts etc) and then people who could easily switch to some more conventional lifestyle if they wanted to (= they have or could easily get a job that would pay them enough to live on normally/have family that would support them). It can be a last resort solution for someone or it can a choice someone made, because why the hell not, they didn't want to live in their parents' suburban house. Many people in squats are travelers - they settle for a limited amount of time and then they move on. It's not just something people do out of desperation, but it also can be.