Lenny Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 7 hours ago, greendepent said: The main goal, I think, is that all those songs can be played with open chords instead of only power chords. Besides the slight change of sound, is less stressful for the left hand. The key is typically changed for the vocalist in professional settings. No changes would be about the stress of the left hand. A pro can handle any power chord changes that are happening in these songs with ease. Sure if you're a casual practicing a single hour a day a few nights a week they'll seem stressful but when you play 8 hours a day it's nothing. If Rush could play their music for over 2 hours a night in their 60's GD can play these songs in their 40's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sheenius said: The key is typically changed for the vocalist in professional settings. No changes would be about the stress of the left hand. A pro can handle any power chord changes that are happening in these songs with ease. Sure if you're a casual practicing a single hour a day a few nights a week they'll seem stressful but when you play 8 hours a day it's nothing. If Rush could play their music for over 2 hours a night in their 60's GD can play these songs in their 40's. It does seem to be more comfortably in his vocal range now so I wondered if that was the reason for it. As for easing up on the strain of the guitar, maybe not but it could be that having Kevin there playing more guitar parts is another way to take some of the strain off of him too if that was even a concern. He seems to be doing more than Jeff did (didn’t he mostly play acoustic?) Billie seems to like the ability to be free for several more songs and just sing. More expressive and also maybe just a rest break from playing. He’s getting older, who knows if the repetitive motion is getting to be a factor, it’s not just an age thing, everyone is different. Mike had carpal tunnel years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said: It does seem to be more comfortably in his vocal range now so I wondered if that was the reason for it. As for easing up on the strain of the guitar, maybe not but it could be that having Kevin there playing more guitar parts is another way to take some of the strain off of him too if that was even a concern. He seems to be doing more than Jeff did (didn’t he mostly play acoustic?) Billie seems to like the ability to be free for several more songs and just sing. More expressive and also maybe just a rest break from playing. He’s getting older, who knows if the repetitive motion is getting to be a factor. The voice is the most delicate thing there. Your voice can only handle so much strain regardless of your age. They make these arrangements to ensure that he can perform for the full 2.5 hours and of course taking into account there may be back to back nights on tour and taking into account the full length of the tour. As you get older that also gets harder. Roger Daltrey blows my mind though. The fact he can still sound as good as he does in his 70's and do a full tour... Amazing! I think Billie getting off the guitar for more songs is more of a change to their live set. I actually like when he's off the guitars for a bit. He's a great frontman. If there's one thing they should be including on this tour that was on the AI tour is this. I also think it's somewhat of a direct response to Queen being in the spotlight recently. Queen played huge gigs and had a frontman interacting with the crowd. I always felt GD was able to channel that spirit into their show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greendepent Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 17 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: Thanks! I knew it was something, but that’s the kind of thing I would never have picked up on. So assuming this is the case, the vocal is in fact lower to match the down tuned guitars? No, in this case, the chords are changed to sound as the original. There are perfomances of waiting played on Blue but half-step lower (2010), so you can hear the difference. 16 hours ago, Sheenius said: The key is typically changed for the vocalist in professional settings. No changes would be about the stress of the left hand. A pro can handle any power chord changes that are happening in these songs with ease. Sure if you're a casual practicing a single hour a day a few nights a week they'll seem stressful but when you play 8 hours a day it's nothing. If Rush could play their music for over 2 hours a night in their 60's GD can play these songs in their 40's. I know. But this puntual change points more a different way of playing than a different way of singing. So, he is taking care of left hand (he barely plays even a solo now) or he is simply keeping things fresh while playing the same old songs. Anyway, they have lowered the pace quite drastically. I expect that they will cut the show more than last tour too. I wonder how much of the "classic" live stuff will remain in the hella mega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 3 hours ago, greendepent said: No, in this case, the chords are changed to sound as the original. There are perfomances of waiting played on Blue but half-step lower (2010), so you can hear the difference. I know. But this puntual change points more a different way of playing than a different way of singing. So, he is taking care of left hand (he barely plays even a solo now) or he is simply keeping things fresh while playing the same old songs. Anyway, they have lowered the pace quite drastically. I expect that they will cut the show more than last tour too. I wonder how much of the "classic" live stuff will remain in the hella mega i don't really see the point of the left hand argument. Geddy Lee played Rush basslines with a torn tendon lol Unless he currently has some type of hand injury atm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 I don't think a professional guitar player would have a problem with playing chords for a show or a solo now and then. Hell, I play for fun and can do it for a couple hours straight even with a classical guitar with a neck from hell. There's no way a pro would go "oh no my hand hurts" because they play a two hour show....they play for hours not once in a while, but daily or almost daily. Plus I doubt playing the same thing a half-step up on a downturned guitar would make it easier on his left hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grinch Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 4 hours ago, greendepent said: No, in this case, the chords are changed to sound as the original. There are perfomances of waiting played on Blue but half-step lower (2010), so you can hear the difference. I know. But this puntual change points more a different way of playing than a different way of singing. So, he is taking care of left hand (he barely plays even a solo now) or he is simply keeping things fresh while playing the same old songs. Anyway, they have lowered the pace quite drastically. I expect that they will cut the show more than last tour too. I wonder how much of the "classic" live stuff will remain in the hella mega I'm like 95% sure it's just to make their setlist more streamlined to what guitars they're playing so that they switch instruments less often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Now I’m even more confused 😄 So the vocals aren’t different just the guitars? His singing still sounds better to me and I’m not sure in what way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jengd Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 I agree with @pacejunkie punk, it definitely sounds like Billie is singing slightly lower in the video. Sorry, I should say the Seville concert video to be clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgemas Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 50 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Now I’m even more confused 😄 So the vocals aren’t different just the guitars? His singing still sounds better to me and I’m not sure in what way. His singing doesn’t sound better, it sounds different because it’s new era. It maybe sounds better for you. His voice is worse than ever imho, but it’s still good, but not great It okay cause he is old. He doesn’t play guitar anymore because he want to change the act. The set list is short because he voice can’t handle long sets anymore for a big tour. Just gotta admit he is hella mega getting old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jengd Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, Jorgemas said: His singing doesn’t sound better, it sounds different because it’s new era. It maybe sounds better for you. His voice is worse than ever imho, but it’s still good, but not great It okay cause he is old. He doesn’t play guitar anymore because he want to change the act. The set list is short because he voice can’t handle long sets anymore for a big tour. Just gotta admit he is hella mega getting old Yes he’s older but he’s not old, give it time and you will agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Joes Eyelids Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, jengd said: Yes he’s older but he’s not old, give it time and you will agree. Yep. 47/48 is NOT old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumFan Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 10 hours ago, greendepent said: No, in this case, the chords are changed to sound as the original. There are perfomances of waiting played on Blue but half-step lower (2010), so you can hear the difference. I know. But this puntual change points more a different way of playing than a different way of singing. So, he is taking care of left hand (he barely plays even a solo now) or he is simply keeping things fresh while playing the same old songs. Anyway, they have lowered the pace quite drastically. I expect that they will cut the show more than last tour too. I wonder how much of the "classic" live stuff will remain in the hella mega I think for some songs lowering the pace is a really bad decision. I think that songs like KYE, American Idiot and even When I Come Around to a certain extent really thrive when being played faster than on the record. So, him playing them at album speed or occasionally even a tad slower really doesn't appeal to me. He can keep the slower pace for other songs, but those in particular need the speed imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgemas Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, jengd said: Yes he’s older but he’s not old, give it time and you will agree. He isn’t old yes, my parents are 56 and for me they’re still young. By old I meaning that he isn’t young anymore and he lost fountain of youth. Billie is old to be still rocking out and singing perfect like he used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squashie Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Jorgemas said: He isn’t old yes, my parents are 56 and for me they’re still young. By old I meaning that he isn’t young anymore and he lost fountain of youth. Billie is old to be still rocking out and singing perfect like he used to. I highly disagree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 5 hours ago, MillenniumFan said: I think for some songs lowering the pace is a really bad decision. I think that songs like KYE, American Idiot and even When I Come Around to a certain extent really thrive when being played faster than on the record. So, him playing them at album speed or occasionally even a tad slower really doesn't appeal to me. He can keep the slower pace for other songs, but those in particular need the speed imo. I agree 100% with this. If it's a bit much for Tre atleast play it the same speed as the record. I saw them at one of the shows they were sick at and When I Come Around was just dragging... Worst GD show I've seen but still their worst was pretty great. My fiance isn't a fan and I asked her to rate the show. She rated it higher than me 😂 4 hours ago, Jorgemas said: He isn’t old yes, my parents are 56 and for me they’re still young. By old I meaning that he isn’t young anymore and he lost fountain of youth. Billie is old to be still rocking out and singing perfect like he used to. Give it 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Jorgemas said: He isn’t old yes, my parents are 56 and for me they’re still young. By old I meaning that he isn’t young anymore and he lost fountain of youth. Billie is old to be still rocking out and singing perfect like he used to. I don't understand this if you mean it seriously...he sounds fine, less strained than in a while and he's nailing the falsetto like never before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Jorgemas said: He isn’t old yes, my parents are 56 and for me they’re still young. By old I meaning that he isn’t young anymore and he lost fountain of youth. Billie is old to be still rocking out and singing perfect like he used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 14 hours ago, Grinch said: I'm like 95% sure it's just to make their setlist more streamlined to what guitars they're playing so that they switch instruments less often. This is a good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Minority first, that's pretty awesome! Skipping half the albums in their discography - not so awesome. Sure, the trilogy is bound to get dumped on. And Their first two albums are ancient now, but why does Insomniac get passed over so often as well? Also, I'd love for Nimrod to get more than THAT REALLY WELL KNOWN ACOUSTIC NUMBER. haha. But seriously, still a pretty cool set list with a nice of pace. All you "King for a Day" haters are pretty smug right about now, aren't you? All By Myself is nice replacement for that part. Overall, this seems like a pretty good representation of their entire career. This set list beefed up a bit more could be ultimate Green Day experience. I'll get to work on that right now over on my favorite part of GDA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verycool99 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 hours ago, That Dude said: Minority first, that's pretty awesome! Skipping half the albums in their discography - not so awesome. Sure, the trilogy is bound to get dumped on. And Their first two albums are ancient now, but why does Insomniac get passed over so often as well? Also, I'd love for Nimrod to get more than THAT REALLY WELL KNOWN ACOUSTIC NUMBER. haha. But seriously, still a pretty cool set list with a nice of pace. All you "King for a Day" haters are pretty smug right about now, aren't you? All By Myself is nice replacement for that part. Overall, this seems like a pretty good representation of their entire career. This set list beefed up a bit more could be ultimate Green Day experience. I'll get to work on that right now over on my favorite part of GDA. No way they’ll have this setlist for the actual tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 8 hours ago, That Dude said: Minority first, that's pretty awesome! Skipping half the albums in their discography - not so awesome. Sure, the trilogy is bound to get dumped on. And Their first two albums are ancient now, but why does Insomniac get passed over so often as well? Honestly, if I could ask the band any 2 questions it would be the following: 1) If no man can eat 50 eggs is there a woman who can? 2) Why no love for Insomniac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Verycool99 said: No way they’ll have this setlist for the actual tour Think they will go back to the ole standard set list for the main tour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verycool99 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, That Dude said: Think they will go back to the ole standard set list for the main tour? Honestly I’m expecting a shuffle in the order of songs, but that it’ll be more focused on their hits with a few from the new album. I wouldn’t be surprised at them opening with American idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Sheenius said: Honestly, if I could ask the band any 2 questions it would be the following: 1) If no man can eat 50 eggs is there a woman who can? 2) Why no love for Insomniac? it's sold more than lots of their other albums, so it's not like it wasn't a success or anything. If my numbers are correct (they probably aren't, album sales can be tricky!) then Insomniac sold more copies than all their albums EXCEPT Dookie, Idiot, Kerplunk and Nimrod. Idiot and Dookie are standards, can't bypass those. But if we're going by reception, and we can only represent 8 albums in concert, it should look like this: All albums get played EXCEPT 1039 / Rev Rad / The Trilogy 3 hits from each album and boom-chica- volla an epic Green Day show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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