Father of All... Charting & Streaming Performance

[That Dude]

2 hours ago, legendary said:

It's the perfect crime 

only the lonely and wasted! 

 

The sing a long begins! 

 

[CherryBombs&Gasoline]

Before I forget, here's another charts update from last week: 

UK #42 (down from #17, peak #1, 3 weeks total)

Scotland #17 (down from #4, peak #1, 3 weeks total)

Australia #36 (down from #14, peak #1, 3 weeks total)

Germany #43 (down from #25, peak #2, 3 weeks total)

Austria #20 (down from #2, peak #2, 2 weeks total)

Switzerland #9 (down from #1, peak #1, 2 weeks total)

Italy #62 (down from #43, peak #9, 3 weeks total)

[JAS0N]

Dropped another 80 spots on Billboard to 191 and on Rolling Stone's top 200 it has already dropped out. The 200th album on the RS charts sold 5.5k so with their first two week sales at around 53k they haven't even hit 60k units yet after three weeks. Starting to wonder if it will even reach 100k in the US, would need a big single to start pushing the streaming numbers up.

[Christian_Inferno95]

38 minutes ago, JasonH said:

Dropped another 80 spots on Billboard to 191 and on Rolling Stone's top 200 it has already dropped out. The 200th album on the RS charts sold 5.5k so with their first two week sales at around 53k they haven't even hit 60k units yet after three weeks. Starting to wonder if it will even reach 100k in the US, would need a big single to start pushing the streaming numbers up.

it's hard to admit friend but that album was born dead

[Flashback]

Strange that the album is doing by far better in other countries than the US 🤔

[GuitarPunk94]

in the end its all about the hella mega tour, if the ticket selling is doing well, they achieved their aim for this album cycle

[Beerjeezus]

15 minutes ago, GuitarPunk94 said:

in the end its all about the hella mega tour, if the ticket selling is doing well, they achieved their aim for this album cycle

First leg is already cancelled so that’s going less than swimmingly

[GuitarPunk94]

3 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

First leg is already cancelled so that’s going less than swimmingly

thats the GD shows, hellamega is starting in june in paris

[Beerjeezus]

16 minutes ago, GuitarPunk94 said:

thats the GD shows, hellamega is starting in june in paris

So, we have announcing an album, then doing nothing for 6 months, then album drops and nothing for 4 months and then maybe a shitty tour if it doesn’t get cancelled too... that’s the worst album promotion they even had, including the trilogy.

[alienlifeform]

 

16 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

So, we have announcing an album, then doing nothing for 6 months, then album drops and nothing for 4 months and then maybe a shitty tour if it doesn’t get cancelled too... that’s the worst album promotion they even had, including the trilogy.

This album cycle is being terrible, I guess crush management wasn't a good choice. It wasn't good already, and to have to cancel the first leg of an upcoming tour that would support the album release doesn't help either

[Beerjeezus]

25 minutes ago, Alf said:

 

This album cycle is being terrible, I guess crush management wasn't a good choice. It wasn't good already, and to have to cancel the first leg of an upcoming tour that would support the album release doesn't help either

Yeah. I don’t follow other Crush bands so I don’t know, is this how they do it? It doesn’t look very efficient to me.

[Duhhan1023]

yeah touring for green day has definitely gone downhill which is shame. When you look at similar bands their age like Foo Fighters, RHCP, Gallagher brothers, Muse, Blink.. they are constantly touring. Before they released NINE (blink182) have toured the states the whole summer. What have green day done months prior to the release of FOAM? Nothing and that effects the sales in America. They have been out of touch with reality and are just enjoying their past achievements. I mean look at Billie Joe uploading old photos on his insta, there's no drive to promote new material nowadays let alone touring the album. 

[Joe.]

27 minutes ago, Duhhan1023 said:

yeah touring for green day has definitely gone downhill which is shame. When you look at similar bands their age like Foo Fighters, RHCP, Gallagher brothers, Muse, Blink.. they are constantly touring. Before they released NINE (blink182) have toured the states the whole summer. What have green day done months prior to the release of FOAM? Nothing and that effects the sales in America. They have been out of touch with reality and are just enjoying their past achievements. I mean look at Billie Joe uploading old photos on his insta, there's no drive to promote new material nowadays let alone touring the album. 

This coupled with some questionable releases has made Green Day fall off imo, better management could change that.

[Duhhan1023]

5 minutes ago, Joe. said:

This coupled with some questionable releases has made Green Day fall off imo, better management could change that.

Personally i love FOAM, I think it is quite a unique record nowadays. The execution was the problem, given it's style, a club tour around the world would have definitely made much more sense. Imagine a gig like the one they did in Madrid along with the shows Billie did with Longshot, it would have been amazing. I am still finding a problem in connecting FOAM with a stadium tour. They wanted to party in the apocalypse and a stadium gig does not let you do that.  I don't know what's the reason behind this, because Billie seems still interested in touring, given his longshot dates last year. Maybe the issue is with Mike and Tre? Tre just had a baby and Mike went through difficult times these past 5 years and maybe they don't want to commit to long months in the road?

I mean look at Metallica they are still touring an album that was released in the same year of Rev Rad. Now that's how you keep in touch with your fans and grow your audience. Obviously we are blessed with new music from Green Day, but if they don't play new music live for me it's useless lol. 

[legendary]

The new management sucks... Pat Magnarella wasn't so good either but better than this. 

[Lenny]

5 hours ago, Joe. said:

 better management could change that.

Green Day has to change it

[papa]

46 minutes ago, legendary said:

The new management sucks... Pat Magnarella wasn't so good either but better than this. 

management has nothing to do with a band making music that a lot of people just simply dont like. 

[Joe.]

22 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

Green Day has to change it

They've only just changed haven't they?

2 hours ago, Duhhan1023 said:

Personally i love FOAM, I think it is quite a unique record nowadays. The execution was the problem, given it's style, a club tour around the world would have definitely made much more sense. Imagine a gig like the one they did in Madrid along with the shows Billie did with Longshot, it would have been amazing. I am still finding a problem in connecting FOAM with a stadium tour. They wanted to party in the apocalypse and a stadium gig does not let you do that.  I don't know what's the reason behind this, because Billie seems still interested in touring, given his longshot dates last year. Maybe the issue is with Mike and Tre? Tre just had a baby and Mike went through difficult times these past 5 years and maybe they don't want to commit to long months in the road?

I mean look at Metallica they are still touring an album that was released in the same year of Rev Rad. Now that's how you keep in touch with your fans and grow your audience. Obviously we are blessed with new music from Green Day, but if they don't play new music live for me it's useless lol. 

FOAM is a unique record nowadays because that style of music has been left behind on purpose. Jet and the rest of those bands all fell off pretty quickly and even The Hives have stagnated. 

[gaslight13]

3 hours ago, Duhhan1023 said:

Personally i love FOAM, I think it is quite a unique record nowadays. The execution was the problem, given it's style, a club tour around the world would have definitely made much more sense. Imagine a gig like the one they did in Madrid along with the shows Billie did with Longshot, it would have been amazing. I am still finding a problem in connecting FOAM with a stadium tour. They wanted to party in the apocalypse and a stadium gig does not let you do that.  I don't know what's the reason behind this, because Billie seems still interested in touring, given his longshot dates last year. Maybe the issue is with Mike and Tre? Tre just had a baby and Mike went through difficult times these past 5 years and maybe they don't want to commit to long months in the road?

I mean look at Metallica they are still touring an album that was released in the same year of Rev Rad. Now that's how you keep in touch with your fans and grow your audience. Obviously we are blessed with new music from Green Day, but if they don't play new music live for me it's useless lol. 

This is so true. I honestly can't tell you how many bands I've simply forgotten about because they don't tour enough for me to stay invested and remember they exist. Or assumed they were a nostalgia act vs a still active artist for the same reason. And perhaps if they toured more they'd have more freedom to mix it up between hits tours and tours with deeper cuts. Gotta give people reasons to come out more than once every 4 years.

Also, I don't know why the marketing message this time around wasn't more focused on "Green Day aren't slowing down to reminisce about their Dookie days, they're charging forward with new music and a massive international tour" rather than "no swedish songwriters or trap beats, this is pure uncut rock and by the way we're playing some greatest hits shows later this year" << in other words, we're not going to wait for the public to decide we're old guys playing nostalgia tours, with new music that isn't worth your time,  we're gonna put that label on ourselves prematurely. 

[Joe.]

1 hour ago, gaslight13 said:

This is so true. I honestly can't tell you how many bands I've simply forgotten about because they don't tour enough for me to stay invested and remember they exist. Or assumed they were a nostalgia act vs a still active artist for the same reason. And perhaps if they toured more they'd have more freedom to mix it up between hits tours and tours with deeper cuts. Gotta give people reasons to come out more than once every 4 years.

Also, I don't know why the marketing message this time around wasn't more focused on "Green Day aren't slowing down to reminisce about their Dookie days, they're charging forward with new music and a massive international tour" rather than "no swedish songwriters or trap beats, this is pure uncut rock and by the way we're playing some greatest hits shows later this year" << in other words, we're not going to wait for the public to decide we're old guys playing nostalgia tours, with new music that isn't worth your time,  we're gonna put that label on ourselves prematurely. 

Gonna say it quietly, but FOAM put that label on them. The marketing didn't help, but the actual album gave them that title.

[Beerjeezus]

56 minutes ago, Joe. said:

Gonna say it quietly, but FOAM put that label on them. The marketing didn't help, but the actual album gave them that title.

I can’t agree. I know I’m biased by liking the album, but the marketing is to blame imo. The tour was announced first and it clearly was the worst thing they’ve done in a long time, then they kept playing Dookie stuff instead of new songs and now they’re doing a greatest hits tour instead of giving the album a proper promotion. It was doomed before the album even came out.

It honestly makes no sense. What’s the point of releasing an album you don’t care to promote? It doesn’t even work as a way to get people to go to shows when they’re promoted as an almost unrelated event.

[The Grohl]

I also think marketing is to blame. Crush's promo strategy seems very similar to how Cartoon Network airs new episodes of shows. They use a burst strategy where they will premiere all new episodes they have within a week. Then the show goes quiet for like 6 months. I see the same thing with Crush. They crammed performances, TV spots, and interviews in to a weekend. And now nothing. It's so dumb. Why not spread it out? Now would be a good time to have some interviews or some late night appearances to get people hyped for the tour.

[Beerjeezus]

This actually bothers me a lot because FOAM is awesome and deserves better.

[gaslight13]

7 hours ago, Joe. said:

Gonna say it quietly, but FOAM put that label on them. The marketing didn't help, but the actual album gave them that title.

I'd agree with that for some songs. MMOTR, SYITH, and IWATT. All of those sound extremely dated. The other songs don't though. I like those three songs but if they swapped them for 3 that were a bit less obviously from another era, it would've helped that image a lot. 

6 hours ago, Beerjeezus said:

I can’t agree. I know I’m biased by liking the album, but the marketing is to blame imo. The tour was announced first and it clearly was the worst thing they’ve done in a long time, then they kept playing Dookie stuff instead of new songs and now they’re doing a greatest hits tour instead of giving the album a proper promotion. It was doomed before the album even came out.

It honestly makes no sense. What’s the point of releasing an album you don’t care to promote? It doesn’t even work as a way to get people to go to shows when they’re promoted as an almost unrelated event.

Best scenario would've been Hella Mega last year in support of the Dookie anniversary so it would make sense for it to be hit-heavy. Would've reminded everyone they exist and reached some new fans, THEN 2 weeks after the last tour date, announce  FOAM. One month after the announce, start hinting at a club tour. Then drop another single. Play a couple secret shows a few weeks apart. Preferably in different major cities so it creates some excitement like where are they gonna show up next? And then announce a club tour a few weeks before the album comes out. Do a few weeks of press, couple weeks off then play a short club tour followed by arenas. Granted all this is easier said than done and it can be hard to work out timelines perfectly but I think it would've been a whole different thing momentum wise. 
 

[greendepent]

Even if the record isn't selling that much and Green Day covering the media, I'm still fine with it. I really like the slow pace that this is getting. They won't bother playing nothing new besides the singles. No need to rush the same show they have been doing for the last 15 years.