Flashback Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said: So the Billboard 200 will update later today? Still showing #4 at the moment I think it comes Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 https://www.greendayfans.com/news/its-official-father-of-all-has-bombed/ Ā š¢ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Down to #187 on Rolling Stone's top 200 albumsĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian_Inferno95 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said: Down to #187 on Rolling Stone's top 200 albumsĀ holy shit!! really? Ā and billboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 That's more than just a decline since RevRad. Holy crap.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duhhan1023 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 the US sales totally suck for them and wonder what they think of it given that Billie was disappointed with the trilogy reception. Having said this, it totally won't change my opinion on this album. I think it was more of an album targeted to a specific niche rather than the casual green day listen.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CherryBombs&Gasoline Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Oh wow. I guess the declining interest in rock music can't be the only reason for this.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 These results are clearly showing a decline in GD sales. That said we should also remember that hard record sales have declined of roughlyĀ 80% in the last 10 years. Saying 21CB has sold 1M copies in 2009 means everything and nothing, because 1M in 2009 is 200K in 2020. Streams couldĀ compensate these numbers (but anyway not that much), and here stands the real problem: GD does not do well enough on streaming with the new material, which is something unfortunately normal for most of the ābigā rock acts of the 00ās.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 The album dropped out of the Finnish album chart (top 50), it was #14 on first week. They also list top 10 of the physical albums sold and it dropped out of the chart from #4. That's sad.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CherryBombs&Gasoline Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: These results are clearly showing a decline in GD sales. That said we should also remember that hard record sales have declined of roughlyĀ 80% in the last 10 years. Saying 21CB has sold 1M copies in 2009 means everything and nothing, because 1M in 2009 is 200K in 2020. Streams couldĀ compensate these numbers (but anyway not that much), and here stands the real problem: GD does not do well enough on streaming with the new material, which is something unfortunately normal for most of the ābigā rock acts of the 00ās.Ā I mostly agree with you here. It's highly unlikely that they'll ever make a record that sells 1M copies in the US again. Those days are over. And yes, streaming is definitely a reason for that. It makes no sense to compare sales numbers from 10 or 20 years ago with what we have today. The music industry has changed drastically, even within the last 3 years or so.Ā But still, for a rock band with the popularity and success of Green Day, those numbers are very bad. Blink sold more than 90.000 copies of their latest record in the first week in the US alone. Rammstein's latest album sold 260.000 copies in the first week in Germany alone. That's more than FOAM did worldwide. So this seems to be a Green Day specific thing, at least to some degree. So it either has something to do with the album itself, or the interest in new Green Day music declined drastically since the release of RevRad.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duhhan1023 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, CherryBombs&Gasoline said: I mostly agree with you here. It's highly unlikely that they'll ever make a record that sells 1M copies in the US again. Those days are over. And yes, streaming is definitely a reason for that. It makes no sense to compare sales numbers from 10 or 20 years ago with what we have today. The music industry has changed drastically, even within the last 3 years or so.Ā But still, for a rock band with the popularity and success of Green Day, those numbers are very bad. Blink sold more than 90.000 copies of their latest record in the first week in the US alone. Rammstein's latest album sold 260.000 copies in the first week in Germany alone. That's more than FOAM did worldwide. So this seems to be a Green Day specific thing, at least to some degree. So it either has something to do with the album itself, or the interest in new Green Day music declined drastically since the release of RevRad.Ā Agree with you, I think Green Day lost touch with the real world.. If you take into consideration other rock bands of their time like Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica, Foo Fighters are constantly touring. On the other hand, GD haven't toured in 2 years! in this day and age it is not something that you need to take for granted. Touring is very important, and going to late night shows a week before the release of an album is not enough. Do you remember the tour we had before the trilogy came out? same with 21stCB. Nowadays they don't seem to be bothered to connect with their audience.Ā Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, CherryBombs&Gasoline said: I mostly agree with you here. It's highly unlikely that they'll ever make a record that sells 1M copies in the US again. Those days are over. And yes, streaming is definitely a reason for that. It makes no sense to compare sales numbers from 10 or 20 years ago with what we have today. The music industry has changed drastically, even within the last 3 years or so.Ā But still, for a rock band with the popularity and success of Green Day, those numbers are very bad. Blink sold more than 90.000 copies of their latest record in the first week in the US alone. Rammstein's latest album sold 260.000 copies in the first week in Germany alone. That's more than FOAM did worldwide. So this seems to be a Green Day specific thing, at least to some degree. So it either has something to do with the album itself, or the interest in new Green Day music declined drastically since the release of RevRad.Ā I do agree on that, there is a decline in the mass interest for the band, itās undeniable. I just wanted to point out how misleading it is to compare this with hard sales from 10 years ago, as the article posted above is doing. That said,Ā I think the marketing and releaseĀ strategy is not paying out as much as Crush expected, and thatās an issue. The anti-hype that surrounded this release clearly contributed to this IMHO, and IMHO itās a shame since this record deserves much better. Having the release 6 months after the announcement has probably been a bad choice in the end, but I think blaming only Crush is not entirely fair as well. We have to be honest here, the Trilogy was a huge misstepĀ for the band mass appeal, since then they struggled to rise up amongĀ mass audiences (also but not only due to the general decline of rock music).Ā RevRad might have been a pleasant release for the fandom, but did nothing to push back the band in the position they were in the 00ās.Ā Was this record made to and suited to do so? I donāt think so, and thatās why I am not too bummed for this. And thatās also why I am extremely surprised when people label FOAM as a ācommercialā record. A rock n rollĀ history lesson from a punk rock band is the most anti-commercial release you can have in 2020 IMHO. What Blink is doing, for example, is quite the opposite.Ā Is this bad in principle? Absolutely not, I love it. Could have this been promoted in a better way obtaining better results? Probably.Ā But, as we say in Italy, if my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a kart. Crush didnāt have an easy ground to work on, and itās way too easy to judge things at this point in time.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendary Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 As I was imagine... Crush and Butch was bad choices, included the direction of the new album. When dieĀ hard fans don't liked It, the chance to this be a big success is minimal because fans is theĀ first part of promotion,Ā unless the album is a misunderstood masterpiece... whats not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 So thats the end for Green Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said: So thats the end for Green Day. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 minute ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: Why? Because it's not a misunderstood masterpiece and die-hard fans don't like it, so Green Day is literally le ded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: Why? I think it's gonna be worst then the trilogy. After the Hella Mega green day will retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS0N Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 3 hours ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: I do agree on that, there is a decline in the mass interest for the band, itās undeniable. I just wanted to point out how misleading it is to compare this with hard sales from 10 years ago, as the article posted above is doing. The pointĀ being made wasĀ that nobody would have expected that the combined US sales totals of the 5 albums released since wouldnāt reach that. They would have had to average a little overĀ 200,000 in sales for each album to hit 21CBāsĀ mark which is not a lofty goal for a band of their stature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaslight13 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I donāt think thereās a complete lack of interest in new Green Day music causing this. I think people are riled up and actually wanted another angry political album. I completely get why they didnāt want to follow expectations, and they had to make the record they wanted to make, but if they were looking to get better results they probably wouldāve benefited from going the āpredictableā route. That said, even with the record being what it is, itās a very good record, mostlyĀ well received by reviewers , but the publicity has been all over the place. They had a huge push with the HM tour announcement and then silence for months apart from quietly announcing the NHL thing and an award show here or there. FOA didnāt seem to get any radio play. There were few TV appearances in the whole time leading up, and the tour is so far off in the future (At least in the US) thereās barely any attention on it. Not to mention theyāre putting out a new record and marketing essentially a greatest hits tour. Actually HM wouldāve been a great idea during the greatest hits release.Ā On top of that, one of their most visible ads had āboomer energyā (gonna ignore the ridiculous racist claims), the album cover was good in theory but a lot of people at the very least donāt seem into it, and the only thing we did get a lot of, press articles, caused more discussion about drugs than the songs. So all in all I donāt think people have totally lost interest in GD, or that the album isnāt good enough to do well, but everything else around it, including the timing of a release like this vs a more political album, seems to be working against them. Ā Also, yeah you canāt compare this to another GDĀ release. Even since rev rad streaming has gone WAY up vs purchasing albums and just doesnāt count as much. But comparing it to releases of their peers from this past year, is noteworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, JasonH said: The pointĀ being made wasĀ that nobody would have expected that the combined US sales totals of the 5 albums released since wouldnāt reach that. They would have had to average a little overĀ 200,000 in sales for each album to hit 21CBāsĀ mark which is not a lofty goal for a band of their stature. I understand that, but album sales have organically decreased of 80% in 10 years, thatās not a GD issue, itās a music market issue, if you have to compare numbers (which we can do, and it still shows a decrease in the GD market presence, just of different proportions), you have to take that into account. 30 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said: I think it's gonna be worst then the trilogy. After the Hella Mega green day will retired. I really donāt see any reason why that would happen. āWorstāĀ case scenario they will have to scale down their commercial ambitions, that I imagine for someone would even be a good news. A band doesnāt retire because of that.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaslight13 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Imagine if every rock band that didnāt do better than reaching #4 on the billboard charts decided to quit š.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatsername Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: I really donāt see any reason why that would happen. āWorstāĀ case scenario they will have to scale down their commercial ambitions, that I imagine for someone would even be a good news. A band doesnāt retire because of that.Ā Yeah, that would probably mean smaller shows in smaller venues with better chances to get to the front instead of stadiums with expensive golden circle tickets. Maybe even full club show tours (also in Europe). I wouldn't be too sad about thatš. (Of course I want my favourite band to be as successful as possible, but a declining popularity is not neccessarily a bad thing, at least for the die-hard fanbase. And the guys have paid their bills for a lifetime, or more, so we don't have to worry about them ending up under a bridge.) I think it could actually be a chance because it would mean less pressure for them and more artistic freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 They announced the HM tour almost a full year before it starts, they really should have done a small club tour before to keep the hype up, I thought for sure they were going to with so many empty months on the calendar.Ā I agree itās not fair toĀ compare with sales of times past but comparing to similar artists current releases is fair and it aināt good.Ā Ā And I even think the sales are artificially inflated because I know I only bought the CD to get the best tour presale code, otherwise I have Spotify and definitely would not have. Ā I love the album but would have streamed it like I do all my music these days. Ā Much of those first week numbers were presales. If you eliminate people like that me who would have streamed instead, the total sales number would have been much lower and the streams wouldnāt have made up for it.Ā Ā I do think the whole marketing message was cringy too. People look to Green Day for a message of hope in dark times but instead all we get is fuck it letās just do coke and party until the world ends. Ā I can relate to the feeling but thatās not what I want to do about it.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: I do think the whole marketing message was cringy too. People look to Green Day for a message of hope in dark times but instead all we get is fuck it letās just do coke and party until the world ends. Ā I can relate to the feeling but thatās not what I want to do about it.Ā Wow they really got me.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I suppose they didnāt do a club tour to make sure Hella Mega sells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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