can we talk about how underrated uno is

[PleasedToMeetMe]

Funny story: I preordered Uno months in advance and it got stolen out of my mailbox. I was furious. Luckily the webstore was like "thats bullshit" and sent me another free of charge along with the poster thing that came with it. 

[The Bellie]

22 hours ago, Miko said:

WARNING: Down below you see very strong and unpopular opinions

Dos > Uno > Tre. That's how I feel.

I don't have exactly the same ranking 😛but I love too the dirty sex songs. I just place some "emotional songs" higher. The forgotten is one of my very fave songs. And in Dos my fave are lazy bones and stray heart, not exactly the dirtiest. Although I enjoy the latter 

I don't agree that they tried to redo something from the trilogy with Rev rad, for me the two are very different (although i read a lot the opposite opinion) 

[michael1989]

Uno is the best of the trilogy for me. I put Dos and Tre roughly equal. Dos gets points for having more of an identity. I feel like both Uno and Dos have their own sound, whereas Tre kind of feels like the leftovers with a couple standouts (Missing You, X-Kid) but no real style of its own. 

[Miko]

41 minutes ago, The Bellie said:

I don't have exactly the same ranking 😛but I love too the dirty sex songs. I just place some "emotional songs" higher. The forgotten is one of my very fave songs. And in Dos my fave are lazy bones and stray heart, not exactly the dirtiest. Although I enjoy the latter 

I don't agree that they tried to redo something from the trilogy with Rev rad, for me the two are very different (although i read a lot the opposite opinion) 

''Revolution Radio was a sad attempt to recover from it when there was nothing to be ashamed of.'' It was more of like ''ok our experimental albums fucked up, we need to now record some safe tunes'' attempt rather than going forward. It felt backwards (back to 21CB and AI tunes). That's how I feel about Revolution Radio and I didn't mean that they tried to redo something from Trilogy.

Lazy Bones and Stray Heart are both great songs but I just love some good old rock and roll such as Stop When The Red Lights Flash and Makeout Party.

[The Bellie]

7 hours ago, Miko said:

''Revolution Radio was a sad attempt to recover from it when there was nothing to be ashamed of.'' It was more of like ''ok our experimental albums fucked up, we need to now record some safe tunes'' attempt rather than going forward. It felt backwards (back to 21CB and AI tunes). That's how I feel about Revolution Radio and I didn't mean that they tried to redo something from Trilogy.

Lazy Bones and Stray Heart are both great songs but I just love some good old rock and roll such as Stop When The Red Lights Flash and Makeout Party.

Yeah ok. I read often that Rev Rad sounds a bit like trilogy (which I agree more or less with, but rather less) so I misread the sense of your phrase. But in the end the real sense brings to another quite common position . The "safe" thing for RevRad. I'm not in the band's head, but I don't feel and don't believe they themselves put an etiquette on their work and think "this is safe, this is not". All I can say is each of their albums sounds very different, and Rev Rad doesn't appear to me as more "safe" than another. If you take every song, there is something innovative in it. I never heard anything like Somewhere Now, Outlaws, Say Goodbye, Still Breathing, Too Dumb To Die, Troubled Times and Forever Now. For different reasons, it could be the melody, the atmosphere, the singing, the construction, etc. (Even Ordinary World has its very own identity as a ballad, it's among my favorite clearly over Last Night on Earth for instance. As for the songs I didn't mention in that list of the most unique, for me (Bang Bang, Rev Rad, Youngblood, Bouncing off the Wall - although the solo comes twice in the latter, I never made myself that remark before learning to play it lol), for my guilty pleasure they are among my fave (but not my very fave) and they are absolute fun, despite being what is the closest for me to "safe". But man when you invent something you don't invent it because it is safe. It sounds like they had invented less safe songs and more safe songs and they purposefully chose the latter. Again, I'm not in their head but I don't think it's how it works... I think they choose what they think is adapted for an album but by their own standards before all.

In terms of safe, I would say the vibe they are coming up with now is more "safe" than Rev Rad. Because Foxboro is popular, Longshot too (I don't mean broad success in an absolute way but among the fans that got aware of it, it was very popular) and even an album like Dos being the most trilogy appreciated among the core fans (from what I read anyway), Green Day know this type of sound works, they love doing it, so they are going fully in this direction with the Hella Mega tour. Maybe it will allow them to bring to a broader audience this garage small club distorted rock and roll sound or whatever.  Telling from the massive ticket buying, it's what is going to happen, and I'm very happy for them. The trilogy is my personal fave of this "side" of their music if I can say so, and I love Foamf song, so I'm very excited for the upcoming.

About Rev Rad being not fun, I don't even remember where this was discussed exactly but just look at how they were looking happy during the tour. Billie was the happiest version of himself for sure. The atmosphere at shows was happiness. The album in itself is fun to listen to. Whenever I listen to AI and 21 CB in full, I often end up slightly depressed (not in a way to complain about, but still) while when I listen to Rev Rad, I'm feeling light afterwards. I don't see what's boring or not fun with this album. In terms of emotional balance, it's the best for me.

I agree with Makeout Party, I listened to the whole trilogy today and Dos felt great. I love more Wow that's loud though. Billie's vocals in it are sexy and tremendous. And I get the feeling that the song is 10 min long and that it brings me in another dimension. It has that smooth thing going on and suddenly it becomes, not exactly alarming, but as something in the atmosphere has completely changed, by the end of the song. You know what I mean?

[solongfromthestars]

The trilogy is underrated! Uno is my second favourite after Dos. The lyrics aren't as bad as people make them out to be. Fell For You is a perfect picture of falling for someone you shouldn't."I'll spend the night living in denial / Making paper planes just for a while." Angel Blue follows it up well. "Stuck in the middle of heaven and hell / Trying to find my better angels." Then Oh Love with "Talk myself out of feeling / Talk my way out of control / Talk myself out of falling in love / Falling in love with you."

Rusty James is also a perfect picture of how the scene that once vehemently criticised Green Day now does everything they criticised them for, while they still maintain those ideologies. "Death Wish Kids among the living" is my favourite line. The Death Wish Kids who once deemed Billie too inferior, or not punk enough to be part of their group (I don't want to say clique ) now lead lives they once ostracised him for leading and that line really captures that.

I know it was intended to have a vague story and I think they achieved it. Getting sick of your life, searching for something new, falling for someone forbidden and trying to control impulses before giving in on Dos. I love this quote about the love songs, too: “I’d been singing about hate and setting things on fire for so long. I guess it was about time I wrote about this.”

[Verycool99]

I know this is kinda unrelated to the music but Billie looked super in shape during the recording of the trilogy, definitely put muscle on

[Beerjeezus]

28 minutes ago, Verycool99 said:

I know this is kinda unrelated to the music but Billie looked super in shape during the recording of the trilogy, definitely put muscle on

Yeah, the other day I saw some photos from 2011 Not So Silent Night on Tumblr and yeah, he clearly even lifted.

[Montclare]

14 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Yeah, the other day I saw some photos from 2011 Not So Silent Night on Tumblr and yeah, he clearly even lifted.

[That Dude]

Sure!  

Every album cycle we can discuss how underrated the entire trilogy is.  

I'm okay with that.  

Uno, Dos and Tre deserved better.  Without even mention the negative situation going on, those albums could have sold better.  Music videos could have been made, singles could have been put out to the radio.  We could have at least gotten some lyric videos or something.   

At least Uno got a few singles, which themselves were underrated as well.  I felt like "Oh Love" was a pretty bold single, as were "Kill the DJ" and "Let Yourself Go".   

 

[Beerjeezus]

Today marks 7 years since Uno came out

20 hours ago, Montclare said:

Thank you

also this:

[tormusex]

I sort of remember not liking the trilogy because of how the songs were recorded. 8th avenue serenade was good live but was meh on the album. The same can be said for alot of uno

[BUBBYBUB]

On 9/20/2019 at 6:36 PM, Beerjeezus said:

Yeah, the other day I saw some photos from 2011 Not So Silent Night on Tumblr and yeah, he clearly even lifted.

It was right after he was on Broadway he had to be in shape for that

[Pansyhunter]

I love Uno, my favorite of the Trilogy, easily.  It's the one that feels least like the "trilogy" sound to me and has a ton of standout songs.  It's the most mature sounding of the three and kind of combines new with old.  Angel blue sounds like it could be off 1039 and Rusty James is one of my favorite guitar tones GD's ever had.  If they cut a few tracks off of the album that are sub-par I think it'd be even higher up imo.  

[Lenny]

On 9/18/2019 at 6:08 PM, dudley dawson said:

Warning = Green Day's peak (they have yet to make a better album than this).

I don't think it was them at their peak but Warning is one of the most purposeful albums for the band. 

Nimrod obviously showed the band had grown and become more mature and were open to fusing different style and sounds and throwing them into the "GD filter". I always thought of Nimrod as an American Idiot Jr they just weren't ready at that time to perfect it like it was done on AI. 

Warning was that album that separated them from their older stuff and opened up the opportunity and willingness to take a risk. A lot of people I know consider Warning to be the "last old GD album" but I consider it as the first new gd album. 

[localinsomniac]

1 hour ago, SnaggletoothRecords said:

I don't think it was them at their peak but Warning is one of the most purposeful albums for the band. 

Nimrod obviously showed the band had grown and become more mature and were open to fusing different style and sounds and throwing them into the "GD filter". I always thought of Nimrod as an American Idiot Jr they just weren't ready at that time to perfect it like it was done on AI. 

Warning was that album that separated them from their older stuff and opened up the opportunity and willingness to take a risk. A lot of people I know consider Warning to be the "last old GD album" but I consider it as the first new gd album. 

I see what you mean by Warning being the first "new" GD album, but I do look at it as the last of that old era. They also put out that album at a time when all their contemporaries were doing typical pop punk things, and it feels like this weird flex, saying to everyone else in the genre "Yeah well look what else we can do".

[Yosuke Hanamura]

If the Trilogy were to be condensed into one album, I’d bet they’d call it ¡Nueve!

Because 9th studio album.

[Lenny]

1 hour ago, localinsomniac said:

I see what you mean by Warning being the first "new" GD album, but I do look at it as the last of that old era. They also put out that album at a time when all their contemporaries were doing typical pop punk things, and it feels like this weird flex, saying to everyone else in the genre "Yeah well look what else we can do".

Yeah for sure. 98-2002 showed a change in pop punk which was really for the worst to be honest. It was the next wave starting out and they were more focused on the pop element rather than the punk element. It's not that I'm against writing a really great song but it was just that the next wave was so corny. 

At the time Green Day was starting to focus on better songwriting. They were somewhat going in what may have seemed as a similar direction however, the hooks and pop elements they were focusing in on were more technical. They were studying 60's hooks at the time which have incredible vocal lines and phrasing. There was an evolution happening musically. It wasn't about focusing in on specific instruments but more focusing in on creating space for Billie's vocals. If you listen to American Idiot you will start to notice a ton of parts in each song that either totally isolate the vocals or isolate the vocals as the lead in the verse.

 

[dudley dawson]

On 9/24/2019 at 8:52 AM, SnaggletoothRecords said:

I don't think it was them at their peak but Warning is one of the most purposeful albums for the band. 

Nimrod obviously showed the band had grown and become more mature and were open to fusing different style and sounds and throwing them into the "GD filter". I always thought of Nimrod as an American Idiot Jr they just weren't ready at that time to perfect it like it was done on AI. 

Warning was that album that separated them from their older stuff and opened up the opportunity and willingness to take a risk. A lot of people I know consider Warning to be the "last old GD album" but I consider it as the first new gd album. 

Sorry but it is without a doubt the "last old GD album".  The band was basically reborn with AI.  Kerplunk through Warning were all very much of the same DNA.

[Lenny]

5 minutes ago, dudley dawson said:

Sorry but it is without a doubt the "last old GD album".  The band was basically reborn with AI.  Kerplunk through Warning were all very much of the same DNA.

Warning is still the most different album of the lot. Yes this is the last album that displayed a lot of the old Green Day fundamentals but this is technically the album that actually drove the wedge between the two eras and also the first time the "new greenday" term was used. 

Warning is looked back at now as one of the classic albums but at the time of it's release it was evident old GD wasn't coming back and the album actually drove some of the 90's fans away from the band. 

I think it's the biggest transitional moment for the band and that's why we're even discussing if it's the last of the old or first of the new. 

 

[Christian's Inferno!]

Here's my view on the old/new green day. I feel like Insomniac was technically the last of the "old green day" sound. The more punk sound of these albums, the youthful nature of the albums, the different sound of Billie's voice etc.

To me, Nimrod and Warning were kind of the bridge between the old and new green day. Nimrod had a lot of the old green day in it but added in more experimentation and Billie's voice sounds like a mix between how it does on Dookie/Insomniac and how it sounds on American Idiot. Warning introduced some politics and social commentary (Minority or even the title track) and some storytelling (Misery), both of which would be later used in AI. Warning also introduced a more pop friendly Green Day which is also prevalent in American Idiot, particularly the singles which sound more radio friendly than their older work

American Idiot onwards is the newer green day sound. Politics has been a consistent part of all their Green Day projects, even the trilogy has political moments i.e. 99 Revolutions. Storytelling has also been a part of much of their Post-AI work, obviously 21CB had storytelling elements, the trilogy has been described as the story of a party. RevRad is the first album of the era to have no kind of plot or story throughout the album, although multiple songs on the album reference the "Radio" and Forever Now reprises Somewhere Now.

Another difference between new and old green day is that since AI, a lot of their songs are longer, quite a few songs are 5+ minutes, none of the songs on Insomniac or earlier reach the 4 minute mark. On Nimrod, Last Ride In is the only track to surpass 4 minutes and on Warning, Misery is their first 5 minute song

[Jorgemas]

1. 99 rev

2. Nuclear family

3.  Stay the night

4. Fell for you

5. Lazy bones

6. Amy

7. Oh love

8. Kill the dj

9. Wow thats loud

10. Rusty james

11. X kid

12. Brutal love

13. Missing you

14. The forgotten

It would have been the best album

 

 

[Lenny]

1 hour ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

Here's my view on the old/new green day. I feel like Insomniac was technically the last of the "old green day" sound. The more punk sound of these albums, the youthful nature of the albums, the different sound of Billie's voice etc.

To me, Nimrod and Warning were kind of the bridge between the old and new green day. Nimrod had a lot of the old green day in it but added in more experimentation and Billie's voice sounds like a mix between how it does on Dookie/Insomniac and how it sounds on American Idiot. Warning introduced some politics and social commentary (Minority or even the title track) and some storytelling (Misery), both of which would be later used in AI. Warning also introduced a more pop friendly Green Day which is also prevalent in American Idiot, particularly the singles which sound more radio friendly than their older work

 

I would agree Nimrod and Warning were bridge albums. I can agree with the argument that Nimrod is really the first new GD album but I do feel like on that album despite being willing and able to produce a more diverse set of songs they do still slot a lot of songs that fit in with that Kerplunk - Insomniac sound. Some of the songs were even from the Dookie sessions and were written during that time. 

I agree with you about Warning 100%. It was a stepping stone to AI and despite being 2 complete different albums there are still similarities. 

[Montclare]

1 hour ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

RevRad is the first album of the era to have no kind of plot or story throughout the album, although multiple songs on the album reference the "Radio" and Forever Now reprises Somewhere Now.

I wouldn't say that RevRad has no story.  it doesn't have characters in the way that AI or 21CB does, but I view it as the story of Billie coming back to life while watching the world continue to go on around him as he does.

[dudley dawson]

5 hours ago, SnaggletoothRecords said:

Warning is still the most different album of the lot. Yes this is the last album that displayed a lot of the old Green Day fundamentals but this is technically the album that actually drove the wedge between the two eras and also the first time the "new greenday" term was used. 

Warning is looked back at now as one of the classic albums but at the time of it's release it was evident old GD wasn't coming back and the album actually drove some of the 90's fans away from the band. 

I think it's the biggest transitional moment for the band and that's why we're even discussing if it's the last of the old or first of the new. 

 

Look I'm one of those 90's fans.  I was 16 when Warning came out and I loved it at the time (and still do).  American Idiot was VASTLY different in sound than anything before it.  There was never an old vs new Green Day discussion until AI.  The only thing I remember from Warning's release was the same clowns continuing to call Green Day sell-outs (which they'd been saying since Dookie).