Green Day on Kimmel Sept 12

[Squashie]

2 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

So we’ve got the guitar and high backing vocals covered.  What the fuck do we need Jeff for?

the youtube show? not that we got many episodes...

 

naw.. we can just rebrand that to the "KTP Show"

[MillenniumFan]

Unlike many here, I wouldn't consider myself an active Jeff hater, necessarily. However, I actually think that when it comes to these kind of songs (i.e. Tubbie/Longshot style) Kevin is almost certainly BETTER SUITED than Jeff. I saw him adding vitally to the "raw" awesome sound, for example in the solo of FOAM in this live rendition.

So, if FOAM is any indication of how the rest of the album will sound, I absolutely think they should replace Jeff with Kevin, at least for this tour. 

[desertrose]

They sounded great!

[Forever Now]

DAMN. They really did THAT.

Amazing performance. They looked and sounded on point. 

[Beerjeezus]

2 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

So we’ve got the guitar and high backing vocals covered.  What the fuck do we need Jeff for?

The fandom needs him to bond over the agreement that he's unnecessary

[Montclare]

3 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Kevin looks like he’s walking on air ☁️ 

 

I'm laughing more over Bill carrying Lenny.

[mik88]

even green day didn't seem into this song. It's bad

 

[luketrebilliemike]

Where the fuck has Jeff gone ?

[legendary]

38 minutes ago, luketrebilliemike said:

Where the fuck has Jeff gone ?

For who wanna know Jeff Matika is still in Green Day

 

[Squashie]

40 minutes ago, luketrebilliemike said:

Where the fuck has Jeff gone ?

Nowhere. Just hasn't joined the band yet for shows.

[Brutalitops]

3 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

So we’ve got the guitar and high backing vocals covered.  What the fuck do we need Jeff for?

The Jeff Matika show is fantastic that's why

[dudley dawson]

This might have already been mentioned but did Billie forget when to start singing during the last verse? lol

[Platypus2000]

Why do people hate Jeff so much? Have I missed something? 

[GuitarPunk94]

3 hours ago, MillenniumFan said:

Unlike many here, I wouldn't consider myself an active Jeff hater, necessarily. However, I actually think that when it comes to these kind of songs (i.e. Tubbie/Longshot style) Kevin is almost certainly BETTER SUITED than Jeff. I saw him adding vitally to the "raw" awesome sound, for example in the solo of FOAM in this live rendition.

So, if FOAM is any indication of how the rest of the album will sound, I absolutely think they should replace Jeff with Kevin, at least for this tour. 

too bad the FOAM album is only 26min long, i dont think they will play every song of FOAM at the hellamega tour, so i dont see the point of replacing Jeff with Kevin for this tour

[realDonaldTrump]

48 minutes ago, Platypus2000 said:

Why do people hate Jeff so much? Have I missed something? 

his hair style was never cool, maybe i’d he was christopher drew. and he dates young ass girls and acts like a baby when they think he’s lame

[The Bellie]

17 hours ago, neverdone2000 said:

He sounded so good. I can’t believe this is the same guy who couldn’t hit a note on Still Breathing during Rev Rad appearances. 

I thought he was fine on Still Breathing. He did hit the notes most of the time (better as the tour went on). Even when he didn't it was still awesome, they way he sang it live. But SB and Foam are really not the same type of singing

16 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Don’t worry about him he’s rude to everyone 

He was responding to a post that was being kind of dismissive to say the least, to the position he was holding among other fans probably. He wasn't more rude there than a Billie would've been... but some people are haughty over everyone and that's much worse (since you seem to only address others from the 3rd person)

16 hours ago, kaylubd said:

Can we just keep Kevin up there from now on? He fits so well with the band!

opinion

16 hours ago, Austrian_Insomniac said:

u can buy a gun before u are old enough to drink a beer.. in our country u can consume beer with 16 years.. i was in L.A with 20 and i thought they where kidding for not selling me beer.. i mean i told them i am consuming it since i was 16 and yeah.. dorks

Ha ha, I agree with that. But there are jerks everywhere and all Americans aren't responsible for that stupid law!

11 hours ago, Motoko Kusanagi said:

Something about him using his fame to shame an ex girlfriend or something like that I’m not sure on the details 

I thought it was more her using his fame to shame him as pretending he was gonna use to it to attack her to get social media's support... and it worked apparentely

3 hours ago, Platypus2000 said:

Why do people hate Jeff so much? Have I missed something? 

I don't remember the details or when it happened exactly, Jeff was hanging out with a girl (younger than him, not that it matters so much to me but for some people to seems to do), they broke up, Jeff talked about it on his twitter in a way that he wanted to lash out on her, he said a shit that he quickly deleted and apologized for, and that's basically all he did (which to me is human and not condemnable, given the shit everybody uses to say on social media that's kind of incentive for people saying things without thinking beforehand. He made a mistake to post a shit in the heat of emotion, but then apologized for that). She, on the other hand, (I think it was after he had apologized but I don't remember well), started to post screenshots of text conversations they were having, Jeff and her. She was refraining from answering and showed the one-way texts he was sending her. I thought that was rally shitty, I've lived that as well, having an ex harassing me after a break up, I know how it can be painful (but for them it was all so recent, while for me it lasted a year so it's not the same thing) and it was understandable and certainly common, the way he acted right after their break up. If anything, if she really felt in danger, she should've seen the police. The only public shaming was from her to him, if we're talking about shaming. As for mistakes, on both sides but he's the only one who apologized. For the rest, their exchanges should just stay private and not come out on social media. Jeff would've been a dick to publish them on social media once he had calmed down. He didn't, while she did.

There you go, that's my take on it, I'm sure other people will have their versions and maybe put out the accurate posts (not sure if it would be appropriate on here, like my post maybe isn't appropriate, but well). I'm not on twitter so only retained what I saw on here from what people brought up. Definitely nothing justifying that Jeff should be ostracized from GD (and it's unbelievable that people on here feel legitimate to validate this, as of it hinged on them, but oh well. People having their ego boosted up by means of internet is not a new thing... sorry not sorry for the rambling)

[Doggins]

7 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

So we’ve got the guitar and high backing vocals covered.  What the fuck do we need Jeff for?

The tambourine! (nowhere near mic)

[Squashie]

Just now, Doggins said:

The tambourine! (nowhere near mic)

Cowbell! 

[whatsername]

Great performance!

[The Bellie]

What the fuck do we "need" Kev for? Jeff is fine as guitar and def finer at backing vocals.

The Jeff/ Kev thing is a fandom phantasm that is based on personal preference, the "need" really doesn't apply here. Unless you wanna really sound like an ass

[Beerjeezus]

4 minutes ago, The Bellie said:

What the fuck do we "need" Kev for? Jeff is fine as guitar and def finer at backing vocals.

The Jeff/ Kev thing is a fandom phantasm that is based on personal preference, the "need" really doesn't apply here. Unless you wanna really sound like an ass

Kevin is the more fun performer and his guitar playing contributes more to the band than Jeff's (I honestly don't know what he does, while Kevin seemed more involved at the Whiskey show and he's just what new FBHT-like song needs). That's the reason why I'd go for Kevin, if I had to choose. However, Jeff won because of his higher vocal range. Yet, both performances of FOAM so far were fine with Jasons and Billie. 

I must admit I've never been a Jeff fan, but that's not why I'm saying I'd love for Kevin to stay.

Anyway, this performance is amazing. They're on FIRE and Billie's doing great with the falsetto. I can't wait to see this live.

[ANTI]

17 minutes ago, The Bellie said:

I don't remember the details or when it happened exactly, Jeff was hanging out with a girl (younger than him, not that it matters so much to me but for some people to seems to do), they broke up, Jeff talked about it on his twitter in a way that he wanted to lash out on her, he said a shit that he quickly deleted and apologized for, and that's basically all he did (which to me is human and not condemnable, given the shit everybody uses to say on social media that's kind of incentive for people saying things without thinking beforehand. He made a mistake to post a shit in the heat of emotion, but then apologized for that). She, on the other hand, (I think it was after he had apologized but I don't remember well), started to post screenshots of text conversations they were having, Jeff and her. She was refraining from answering and showed the one-way texts he was sending her. I thought that was rally shitty, I've lived that as well, having an ex harassing me after a break up, I know how it can be painful (but for them it was all so recent, while for me it lasted a year so it's not the same thing) and it was understandable and certainly common, the way he acted right after their break up. If anything, if she really felt in danger, she should've seen the police. The only public shaming was from her to him, if we're talking about shaming. As for mistakes, on both sides but he's the only one who apologized. For the rest, their exchanges should just stay private and not come out on social media. Jeff would've been a dick to publish them on social media once he had calmed down. He didn't, while she did.

There you go, that's my take on it, I'm sure other people will have their versions and maybe put out the accurate posts (not sure if it would be appropriate on here, like my post maybe isn't appropriate, but well). I'm not on twitter so only retained what I saw on here from what people brought up. Definitely nothing justifying that Jeff should be ostracized from GD (and it's unbelievable that people on here feel legitimate to validate this, as of it hinged on them, but oh well. People having their ego boosted up by means of internet is not a new thing... sorry not sorry for the rambling)

I REALLY didn't wanna go down this rabbit hole, but I'm responding to this because I'm one of the people that joked about Jeff leaving the band this past few days. I think your post is ignoring a very important part of the issue some fans have with this whole situation, and that is power dynamics. Not only was Jeff a 47 year old man dating a 22 year old woman (which, legal and all, is still creepy and weird to me), but he's also a musician supporting a huge world-known band like Green Day, which obviously led to ton of fans also following him. So when the whole accusation came out of her writing "suggestive messages to other man", fans started attacking the girl so much that she had to make her account private, and when fans told him that she was probably getting a lot of hate because of his rants, he said to "keep it coming". To me, that is not only using his notably superior influence on her, but also literally weaponizing it, which is undoubtedly a shitty thing to do and definitely not a minor mistake.

What she did was make a video in her then private account about the ordeal because, according to her, she had gotten out of what she described as a very toxic relationship and Jeff was constantly calling her family, friends and workplace, so she was warning her friends about not answering his calls and showing proof of his harassment. The video got out because some GD fans were already following her, but it was not meant for everyone. Also, i find your condemnation of her publishing this on her IG very strange, as it was Jeff who first put their intimate relationship in the public space since the very beginning, not her. I'm very sorry that you had to go through the process of having an ex stalking you, it must have been very awful for you and as you said it's sadly very common (which still doesn't make it okay), but I don't think the scale of the situation is comparable, as she described to having literal death threats from people all over the world, even after he apologized. We don't know if she went to the police or not, but fact is, the police often are not capable of giving immediate solutions to girls in this type of cases, and more often than not, psychological damage (if she did have any) or cyberbullying are not taken as strong evidence, so a lot of people in this type of situations often go to social media.

Now, whether we believe her or not, fact is that it's not cool to use someone else's fanbase to trash a women with considerably less power and influence, and considering a big part of Green Day's brand is female empowerment, I don't think it's far-fetched or exaggerated to wish for that person to leave the band. Am I gonna spam Billie's social media asking for his departure? No, he's a grown man and he already made his decision and I respect that. But that doesn't mean fans can't have an opinion different than his on the matter.

 

[The Bellie]

4 hours ago, ANTI said:

I REALLY didn't wanna go down this rabbit hole, but I'm responding to this because I'm one of the people that joked about Jeff leaving the band this past few days. I think your post is ignoring a very important part of the issue some fans have with this whole situation, and that is power dynamics. Not only was Jeff a 47 year old man dating a 22 year old woman (which, legal and all, is still creepy and weird to me), but he's also a musician supporting a huge world-known band like Green Day, which obviously led to ton of fans also following him. So when the whole accusation came out of her writing "suggestive messages to other man", fans started attacking the girl so much that she had to make her account private, and when fans told him that she was probably getting a lot of hate because of his rants, he said to "keep it coming". To me, that is not only using his notably superior influence on her, but also literally weaponizing it, which is undoubtedly a shitty thing to do and definitely not a minor mistake.

What she did was make a video in her then private account about the ordeal because, according to her, she had gotten out of what she described as a very toxic relationship and Jeff was constantly calling her family, friends and workplace, so she was warning her friends about not answering his calls and showing proof of his harassment. The video got out because some GD fans were already following her, but it was not meant for everyone. Also, i find your condemnation of her publishing this on her IG very strange, as it was Jeff who first put their intimate relationship in the public space since the very beginning, not her. I'm very sorry that you had to go through the process of having an ex stalking you, it must have been very awful for you and as you said it's sadly very common (which still doesn't make it okay), but I don't think the scale of the situation is comparable, as she described to having literal death threats from people all over the world, even after he apologized. We don't know if she went to the police or not, but fact is, the police often are not capable of giving immediate solutions to girls in this type of cases, and more often than not, psychological damage (if she did have any) or cyberbullying are not taken as strong evidence, so a lot of people in this type of situations often go to social media.

Now, whether we believe her or not, fact is that it's not cool to use someone else's fanbase to trash a women with considerably less power and influence, and considering a big part of Green Day's brand is female empowerment, I don't think it's far-fetched or exaggerated to wish for that person to leave the band. Am I gonna spam Billie's social media asking for his departure? No, he's a grown man and he already made his decision and I respect that. But that doesn't mean fans can't have an opinion different than his on the matter.

 

And the fact that many fans think like you on this matter doesn't mean some can't have other opinions on this matter, happily. (By the way, posting what I did I was not expecting support, I know what the majority thinks about this, and I'm usually not in it so... I'm saying what I think and I think that when everybody seems to agree on something, it's the moment when you have to take a step back and not necessarily follow the herd). Everybody can have their own feelings about this (which is why we'll probably never agree because we feel things differently, which is fine).

I'm not ignoring anything, such as "power dynamics" like you say, on the contrary, I think the power dynamics were on her side and I'll tell you why, if it wasn't clear enough from what I said. First, I believe that each person is responsible for what they only do. Jeff is not responsible for what some of his own fans might have said. He apologized for his own"keep it coming", which he said when he was emotionally not well. His mistake was to post on his social media when he was in that state. Yeah of course he was going to lash out at her ex then. Anybody would have, taking the keyboard at that moment. Seeing that he was getting some support (even in a bad manner) from some of his fans, it was his weakness to give in to that and put the "keep it coming." I don't think the point is to say it was a "minor" or a "major" mistake (I'm not pedantic enough to rate other people's mistakes about something I don't even know, because I wasn't there, even less in their place) but it was definitely human because it was emotional. I can only have compassion for that. Even more with the fact he regretted quickly after shows it.

She, on the other hand, did something afterwards that was obviously not a hot-headed decision. It was a conscious one, and reasoned one. I'm not saying she lied about anything she said to have received, or about her feelings when received it, no. But her act then is not justified by all that. Jeff just publicly said to everyone to stop threatening her, but she posts their exchanges in private, that do not concern us at all. She didn't need to do that unless purposefully wanting to shame him on the net. Going to the police with the texts and proofs of harassing would've been enough to make him understand. You don't just consciously post private text messages from other people on social media, I'm sorry. Apparently we don't have the same idea about what's "weird" or "creepy" or not. (I think judging a relationship by age is not right either, just said in passing. Would I have had doubts about the solidity of their relationship before what happened? Yes, but it's not due to their respective age.) To my eyes, she did what she did to get the exact same reaction that she got, from you for instance, from a whole part of the GD's fanbase (yes, his fanbase, funny, or creepy way to use his own fame against him, it didn't actually help him on that at all), because the internet support went mainly for her then, and it was what she expected, very probably.

You don't have to be sorry for me, it's long over now but whatever I may have felt, my ex was the one suffering in prior, that's how it is. I went to the police for my part and it made me feel better. Of course, many things differ between both situations. My ex harassed me for a very long time while Jeff seemed to have calmed down really quickly, and I'm pretty sure he would have stopped quickly even without what she did. You don't just dart a knee in someone's balls like that, when they're suffering. That's what she did. Given her age and her very probable ability and awareness of the use and power of social media today, more than Jeff given his age which you pointed out (it doesn't matter how much they use it, just look as well at Billie for instance, with his own spontaneity that has cut him short on his social media too. Internet is just not fitted for hot-headed emotions unless you want to start a virtual civil war, and having made the mistake to lay such emotions down on there doesn't mean they are bad people), so it doesn't surprise me that she did what she did.

I'm on the first line to call out sexism in all its forms (more conservative people around me sometimes think I'm the archetype of the feminist, while in real I rarely like so-called feminists but well, just to tell you this is not about denying that women are still very often on the losing side) and I get sexism in the face like many other women get it, but here to me, it was from her part using a widely recognized social and moral that is women's cause to get some sort of moral immunity and some form of political correctness on her side. Using Jeff's own fans against him which worked because he is the famous one (I'm schematizing). Okay. But at neither moment did he mean to use his actual fans against her, I really don't believe that. Posting the one shit thing he did (I'm not counting the number of tweets because I don't know and don't care, but it was one occurrence at first when he was definitely hating angry after their break up), he was not the famous GD member posting but the person suffering posting and that's it, because he immediately changed and regretted his behavior afterwards.

So yes, the "femdom" on GD's side (which I absolutely love btw, Billie saying he can't wait until women take over the planet is one of the best things and I wish more men would hold women in such places mentally) played for her part. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just like it clearly happened. Sometimes it's easier to blind ourselves behind defined "morals" while it's not to us to judge the situation at all. Yeah, we can have feelings, opinions. But the outright judgement shamelessly put upon Jeff by many fans on here for that only incident is what I find creepy. I feel like, condemning him to that point where we even think he shouldn't be a member a GD is condemning mistakes due to negative emotions (like it happens to everybody, only not every body have the bad luck to be a public figure, when you think about it in his case, and to post it on social media at the moment when we shouldn't) while advocating calculation and (social media) manipulation here that were not needed at all, despite the personal situation they were going through, that precisely should've stayed personal. Best way I can sum it up.

I might have been a bit caricatural on the depiction of my feelings about this but just to show you we can read many different things depending on each person. (and I feel the overall position of which yours is a example is being quite straightforward as well, like, taking our distant impressions for the truth.)

I see the scandalized relation from some people coming, but all this is how I felt from the first place about that. And I don't care about Jeff whatever you may think, only indirectly because of what happened, but not personally, I don't know this guy, he may very well be the best or the worst, I couldn't care less

[The Bellie]

5 hours ago, Beerjeezus said:

Kevin is the more fun performer and his guitar playing contributes more to the band than Jeff's (I honestly don't know what he does, while Kevin seemed more involved at the Whiskey show and he's just what new FBHT-like song needs). That's the reason why I'd go for Kevin, if I had to choose. However, Jeff won because of his higher vocal range. Yet, both performances of FOAM so far were fine with Jasons and Billie. 

 

5 hours ago, Beerjeezus said:

Kevin is the more fun performer and his guitar playing contributes more to the band than Jeff's (I honestly don't know what he does, while Kevin seemed more involved at the Whiskey show and he's just what new FBHT-like song needs). That's the reason why I'd go for Kevin, if I had to choose. However, Jeff won because of his higher vocal range. Yet, both performances of FOAM so far were fine with Jasons and Billie. 

I must admit I've never been a Jeff fan, but that's not why I'm saying I'd love for Kevin to stay.

Anyway, this performance is amazing. They're on FIRE and Billie's doing great with the falsetto. I can't wait to see this live.

When you say that Kevin brings more on certain aspects or is more fun, well it's all matter of personal sensibility. I personally don't care what he brings cause I'm there for Billie and Green Day. Green Day being Billie, Mike and Tré plus the big three is fine to me. I appreciate what the latter bring on stage (Jeff's backing vocals for instance), and moreover the way they really let Billie, Mike and Tré be put forward, even more impressively for Jason White with the very important part he plays. Kevin would seem a bit off playing that part cause precisely he's a showman in his own way.

Honestly, I don't care about Kevin or Jeff more than that, it's just the whole way the discussion on here of one starting to replace the other that seemed irrelevant to me. But they do what they want  (sorry for that emoji)

Yeah the performance was great and it's what matters

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