Father Of All... (Song)

[WhiteTim]

38 minutes ago, TimmyChunks said:

A million percent. What’s also notable is that the 21CB tour was the first where it seemed like they took their live sound quality seriously. I noticed a substantial jump in their live sound from all their previous tours. When I saw them live that tour (after seeing them from Insomniac through Warning live), I was floored by how good they sounded. 

The mixing on 21CB was excellent, and Vig’s influence in the studio must’ve made an impact. I know it was a one time thing, but I would’ve always liked to see them work together again. That album and tour were a force of nature. 

Oh I’d love another GD and Vig even more I’d love a “regular” GD album produced by Vig by that I mean one that’s not themed to sound like so much chaos happening and in your face like 21st was (which was perfect for the album) 

[Slave To The Network]

I really like this song now! It took a few listens and seeing it live, but it's actually a really awesome song! I can hear that Green Day energy in it and feel what Billie was going for with his lyrics.

[GDFan2019]

For some reason, my local Alternative station, ALT 92.3 in New York seems to have stopped playing the song. It’s an awesome song but do you guys think they called it Foamf to purposely sabotage Warner? For radio stations, the name is cut down to “Father of All...” while the “Motherfucker” is still implied.

[WhiteTim]

37 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

For some reason, my local Alternative station, ALT 92.3 in New York seems to have stopped playing the song. It’s an awesome song but do you guys think they called it Foamf to purposely sabotage Warner? For radio stations, the name is cut down to “Father of All...” while the “Motherfucker” is still implied.

Sabotage Warner how? Bad record sales hurt the band as well even worse for the band 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

4 hours ago, GDFan2019 said:

For some reason, my local Alternative station, ALT 92.3 in New York seems to have stopped playing the song. It’s an awesome song but do you guys think they called it Foamf to purposely sabotage Warner? For radio stations, the name is cut down to “Father of All...” while the “Motherfucker” is still implied.

It’s not on station playlists yet because it’s too early. 

[The Bellie]

On 9/15/2019 at 5:21 PM, jumpsalty said:

Yeah I think he’s being pretty clear. You can be as physically healthy as you want but mental health will always be tricky and we know he suffers in that area. especially with the current state of the world.  I like that he gave this insight. I find it quite relatable tbh

I wouldn't separate physical and mental health at that point  yeah you can suffer from mental health all the time but you can still feel better with yourself over time and I believe that's totally independent from how the world goes around you, despite how the latter can contribute to kick moral down. But it's not on the same field. Overall, to me Billie has made quite clear that he is better mentally than before, in spite of anything going all around. This is just an opinion

On 9/15/2019 at 5:31 PM, Thatsername said:

I don't want to dig too deep into psychoanalysis here, but "burn your past" has never been the best coping strategy. Just sayin' as someone who has struggled with severe issues myself. So that one is a pretty bad advice.

With that in mind, I understand the quote from his interviews "rock music is supposed to make you feel bad" even less. I get that he's shaken to the core by the current state of the world, I guess we all are, but shouldn't music be a saving anchor, a tiny spark of hope in times like these even more, and not make you feel even worse than you already do?

I think that "burn your past" doesn't necessarily mean you just do as if it never existed or try to erase it from your mind. It should mean "don't let it block you from doing what you want to do." I've had a long way on that trail too but in the end it's how I take it anyway. You can live with horrible memories but still move forward, and that's explicitly what Billie said

About the feel good/bad, I guess that using music to express how things can be bad, on whatever field (and Billie does it with a real honestly all the time) is in the end meant to make everyone feel better, if that makes sense . Allowing yourself to feel bad and lash out can be good. If someone has suicidal thoughts and goes to see GD live, I don't think the aim for the band is that this person kill themselves once back home lol. Rather the contrary

On 9/15/2019 at 7:47 PM, Beerjeezus said:

Billie good. Kevin good. Billie and Kevin double good.

You said you weren't taking any board, you little shit . Jk

I'm happy to be in the #minority still 

[Beerjeezus]

In my opinion this comment got super overpsychoanalyzed. The way I understood it, the "burn you past" part was talking about making music without regard for his previous work, which was what the guy asked him about.

[Hermione]

29 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

In my opinion this comment got super overpsychoanalyzed. The way I understood it, the "burn you past" part was talking about making music without regard for his previous work, which was what the guy asked him about.

Also I'm pretty sure "rock music is meant to make you feel bad" isn't about literally making you feel bad/sad/depressed, it's more like feeling badass or having some edge to it rather than just being blandly happy and cheerful. He just decided that was a cool way to put it lol

[Beerjeezus]

3 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Also I'm pretty sure "rock music is meant to make you feel bad" isn't about literally making you feel bad/sad/depressed, it's more like feeling badass or having some edge to it rather than just being blandly happy and cheerful. He just decided that was a cool way to put it lol

Yeah, maybe. I've given up on trying to interpret what he means.  It looks like he says it's not feel-good music, which is true. He also said he wanted to make everyone feel bad with a certain butchered performance, so I guess it can also mean being edgy and playing badly lol.

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

5 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Yeah, maybe. I've given up on trying to interpret what he means.  It looks like he says it's not feel-good music, which is true. He also said he wanted to make everyone feel bad with a certain butchered performance, so I guess it can also mean being edgy and playing badly lol.

I saw somewhere the first page of the new Kerrang! interview, he explains this concept a bit more clearly making a comparison with Still Breathing, but I can't find it anymore. If someone has a decent scan of the new magazine please share  

[Beerjeezus]

4 minutes ago, J a c said:

I saw somewhere the first page of the new Kerrang! interview, he explains this concept a bit more clearly making a comparison with Still Breathing, but I can't find it anymore. If someone has a decent scan of the new magazine please share  

Oh I was thinking it was Still Breathing he was talking about when he said he's guilty of trying to write a feelgood song. I'm excited to read the interview now!

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

1 minute ago, Beerjeezus said:

Oh I was thinking it was Still Breathing he was talking about when he said he's guilty of trying to write a feelgood song. I'm excited to read the interview now!

Here it is, just the first page tho, I would love to see the rest  

 

 

[Thatsername]

15 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Oh I was thinking it was Still Breathing he was talking about when he said he's guilty of trying to write a feelgood song. I'm excited to read the interview now!

Still Breathing isn't a "feel good" song for me. It's a song about going through hell and getting out alive although it didn't seem like you would make it at some points. It's about realizing that no one else can save you, it's up to YOU. It's about choosing life over death although death was the easier option and life still scares the fuck out of you sometimes ("Are you scared to death to live" is one of Billie's finest lines EVER imo). So no, definitely no feel good song. But SUCH a great song.

And that's why I still don't really understand the jump from "I'm grateful that I'm still breathing" to "ah what the hell just fuck it all".

[Duhhan1023]

Anyone has the rest of the scans of the 2nd part of the interview??

[Beerjeezus]

5 minutes ago, Thatsername said:

Still Breathing isn't a "feel good" song for me. It's a song about going through hell and getting out alive although it didn't seem like you would make it at some points. It's about realizing that no one else can save you, it's up to YOU. It's about choosing life over death although death was the easier option and life still scares the fuck out of you sometimes ("Are you scared to death to live" is one of Billie's finest lines EVER imo). So no, definitely no feel good song. But SUCH a great song.

And that's why I still don't really understand the jump from "I'm grateful that I'm still breathing" to "ah what the hell just fuck it all".

You're right, but at the same time, I'd say it counts as a feelgood song, at least by Billie's standards and despite the heavy topic, the overall sentiment of it is optimistic. It's a "I'm so glad I'm alive" song from a guy who's been writing from a "fuck it all" perspective for most of his life.

However, I didn't expect he'd go back to that yolo attitude. Maybe it's an aesthetic they're trying to go back to so that they don't look like well-behaved dads, but I don't know. I'm getting war flashbacks to trilogy.

[pacejunkie punk]

19 minutes ago, Thatsername said:

And that's why I still don't really understand the jump from "I'm grateful that I'm still breathing" to "ah what the hell just fuck it all".

Trump, climate change, guns, nazis, depression, anxiety, sobriety fatigue... hell, take your pick.

I do agree though that a feel good song may be inspiring but isn’t fun. Most of RevRad was no fun (with the possible exception of Bang Bang and BOTW)

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

25 minutes ago, Thatsername said:

Still Breathing isn't a "feel good" song for me. It's a song about going through hell and getting out alive although it didn't seem like you would make it at some points. It's about realizing that no one else can save you, it's up to YOU. It's about choosing life over death although death was the easier option and life still scares the fuck out of you sometimes ("Are you scared to death to live" is one of Billie's finest lines EVER imo). So no, definitely no feel good song. But SUCH a great song.

And that's why I still don't really understand the jump from "I'm grateful that I'm still breathing" to "ah what the hell just fuck it all".

It's a great song, but it's not a fun song. Don't get me wrong, this is not necessarily a bad thing, there are moments where I can really enjoy a song like Still Breathing, like a lot, but then there's also the time when a crazy, fun, maybe a little darker song can be everything I need  It's clear that Billie is in a phase where he wants to make that kind of songs, and I agree with him and Mike on this, it can be fun and entertaining to sing and write about darkness (instead of how nice it is to be outside of it, and that's why I do think Steel Breathing is a feel god song). And it can also be a way to deal with darkness, both writing about this and listening to it. 

[Beerjeezus]

3 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Trump, climate change, guns, nazis, depression, anxiety, sobriety fatigue... hell, take your pick.

 

It's a mood though 

[pacejunkie punk]

Well at least we now know at least one song that’s getting dropped from the set list 😂 

[Beerjeezus]

Just now, pacejunkie punk said:

Well at least we now know at least one song that’s getting dropped from the set list 😂 

I was guessing it would get dropped for singing difficulty

 

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Well at least we now know at least one song that’s getting dropped from the set list 😂 

The falsetto on FOAMF is enough for Billie's vocal chords  

[Beerjeezus]

1 minute ago, J a c said:

The falsetto on FOAMF is enough for Billie's vocal chords  

And for our ears if he's having a bad day

[The Grohl]

RevRad isn't fun? Bouncing off the Walls and Too Dumb to Die are insanely fun songs!

And personally, I would count Still Breathing as a feel good song of sorts. It's about making it through all the bullshit and coming out on the other side even if there were times where it seemed like everything was going to crush you. It's an empowering song saying you can survive this. It'll be hard but you can make it through the other side - you may just have to fight like hell for it.

[MillenniumFan]

With every day, my belief in this album cycle being some kind of intricate, coordinated effort to simply piss off Warner/Reprise diminishes. Mostly because the words "Billie Joe" and "intricate project" don't really go together. That being said, I do think things like the name, artwork and the repetitiveness of Billie's statements (also here) can still be interpreted as a more or less subtle dig at Warner/Reprise. I think it might also be a more general statement though, that is to say: more or less applying to anyone that has pissed them off during their careers and/or more recently now *cough* in the White House *cough*. 

So, I think this IS the true album for this cycle. But, I do think the repetition in Billie's statements, the name and artwork, though not the music itself, can be interpreted as ending a chapter in their career and moving on to new projects. If I had to guess, that won't be MOOTIK, but rather less scheduled releases, possibly more often and certainly with more artistic freedom.

I think I'm generally excited about this era, because while outside pressure (though in that specific case still with a "nothing to lose" attitude) lead to masterpieces like AI, it also lead to the trilogy and Billie's artistic burnout. 

The Longshot showed what was possible, if Billie wasn't trying to pander to what Green Day fans, the media or Warner/Reprise wanted. It isn't their best work, but I enjoyed its attitude of "Take it or leave it, this is what I love doing". So, if Billie felt like revamping Green Day to fit that model, thereby also cutting ties with all the people he felt had put him down over the years or pressured him to do things he didn't really want to do, then I think it's an AMAZING THING!

I guess we shall see how this plays out. 

 

[pacejunkie punk]

5 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I was guessing it would get dropped for singing difficulty

 

I was hoping it would, but now to hear it’s a dreaded feel good song and he hates those? Cancelled for sure 👏