Popular Post solongfromthestars Posted September 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2019 Well, I have a lot to catch up on since I've been away for two weeks I'm not going to read the whole thread, so some of these points have probably been made multiple times but I'm going to make them anyway. The song is OK. It sounds better live and I might like it more without the weird vocal filter, which makes Billie sound like an accelerated chipmunk. The title is, as others have said, a different kind of immature to Dookie or even Fuck Time and I'm not sure how it relates to the song. I'm a bit embarrassed to be such a huge fan of a band who named their album that. I realise the cover is a piss take but it's still cringeworthy. Despite their attempt at protesting Warner and fame, I feel the song, image and promo are more Crush than Green Day. Mike has been dressed like Brendon Urie. The song immediately reminded me of Fall Out Boy. I know how many fans think they're Real Punx who 100% make their own decisions, so couldn't possibly be controlled by management; but they're not independant, or they wouldn't be leaving Warner. It's undeniable to me that Crush have seriously influenced this song and era. Some people might love that, but personally I don't. Not because I don't think it's punk or whatever but just because I'm not into the sound or look. I know a lot of people felt it'd be embarrassing to see them pedalling half-hearted political messages. For me, though, some rich old white guys - who've previously preached inclusivity and looking out for each other, but weren't really prepared to practice what they preach, eg. Morrissey - talking about rebelling, rioting and violence is equally, if not more embarrassing. I'm not saying rebelling or rioting are bad. We need to rebel and riot to create a better world. It's just a bit cringeworthy and empty coming from Green Day at this point. The violence part is questionable, especially considering past statements like this: “That’s one thing I hate about the new mainstream [punk]: blatant violence. We get lumped into this bandwagon of this fucked up mentality. To me punk rock was about being silly, bringing a carpet to Gilman Street and rolling your friends up in it and spinning it in circles. Or having a pit with people on tricycles or Big Wheels. The whole thing had a serious message to people, but at the same time it was silly, and people weren’t afraid to talk about love. It’s a different thing going on now.” They obviously don't have to remain the same all their lives to please fans, but this isn't the band who reeled me in with claims of love and inclusivity. It's not their fault. Again, I don't expect them to remain the same to please me, but it's obviously still a bit disappointing. The ticket prices are also disappointing. Yes, they're only as expensive as other bands and there are three huge acts to pay on this tour. I also know musicians have less and less say in things like ticket prices as the music industry grows and becomes more controlling. I guess I'm disappointed in the music industry, not Green Day. And I really dislike Weezer and don't like Fall Out Boy or The Interrupters enough to feel OK about the prices. Which, again, isn't a criticism but just my personal disappointment. Finally, the way some fans have reacted to disappointment is so childish. Whenever I opened social media while I was away, one of the first few posts was another person complaining that disappointed fans were fake or undeserving or whatever. I agree that if someone's hated the band since Dookie but is still sitting around bitching, that's sad and they should get a hobby. But if someone's a massive fan and has loved almost everything, of course they're going to be disappointed if suddenly they release what they feel is a blatant piece of shit (I don't think it's that bad, but some people do and that's fine). It's not a case of being difficult to please or undeserving. It's because they're huge fans and want to love everything but can't. To me at least, that genuine fandom is worth more than unconditional, but obsessive and/or insincere love. I'm actually really sad I can't love the song and can't get as excited as I'd like to. Like, it's a new era and I feel like I'm missing out on all the fun because I can't get into it. I hope it'll all grow on me and I have faith that it will. Maybe I'll love the rest of the album anyway. But this is the first Green Day single I've heard since I became a fan that left me apprehensive for the upcoming era, not excited. I blasted Know Your Enemy and Oh Love on repeat until I could still hear them after switching off. I think I'll go listen to some of the Arab pop jams I heard in Lebanon instead of this. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Only just heard the song as I've been travelling for two weeks. Sure it's been said elsewhere but can't help feeling this is a blatant attempt by Crush to make GD more mainstream 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Maybe it's because I expected full on FOB shitfest, I don't have a problem with FOAM. Butch Walker is still on thin ice, because I kind of dread that "motown rnb and new wave" influence will literally be just a couple synths and vocal effects thrown in to make them sound more pop. I don't mind the sound FOAM has, even though I'd prefer if the vocals were less drowned out, but I wouldn't enjoy if they went too much farther the mainstream road. However, I wouldn't say Foam sounds like FOB, I hear Jack White in it and I like his stuff so it's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Airplane said: eh? I mean it's the same copy. You just receive it by mail. I am aware of the concept. I will be ordering it online too, just saying I get where @That Dude is coming from and I gotta say I admire his effort! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, Nightlife said: I am aware of the concept. I will be ordering it online too, just saying I get where @That Dude is coming from and I gotta say I admire his effort! Yeah, I'd like to be able to get up on Friday morning, go to a store and buy a copy. But all this new-fangled hoopla, I just have to order it online and wait a few days. Green Day are my absolute favorite, so I'll probably download it at midnight, and rock out to the CDR until my copy comes in (with some possible sleep in between). Are CDRS going away too? and I use iTunes to burn them, oh gosh! Guess I need a better data plan so I can use Spotify in the car. What is the FASTEST way to get the new album? Amazon, Target.com, Green Day official or somewhere else? I had bad luck with Amazon on Slipknot, but got the new Cold album in 2 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said: Only just heard the song as I've been travelling for two weeks. Sure it's been said elsewhere but can't help feeling this is a blatant attempt by Crush to make GD more mainstream You..... think the management team had influence on Billie Joe's songwriting? That's a serious statement you're making? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pacejunkie punk Posted September 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2019 This music is 100% Billie Joe. Anyone who has followed his instagram posts and his side project activity since RevRad could see where this was headed. It’s the music he wants to make that says what he wants to say, as always. All Crush and Warner do is package that music and sell it with a visual that matches the sound they are given (and all with Green Day’s stamp of approval). 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, localinsomniac said: You..... think the management team had influence on Billie Joe's songwriting? That's a serious statement you're making? You think they wouldn't? It always amuses me how little control people think management have over Green Day (or any famous band for that matter). Whether they did or not, they certainly can influence it, even if it's just by choice of producer or urging them to do a certain thing. 6 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: This music is 100% Billie Joe. Anyone who has followed his instagram posts and his side project activity since RevRad could see where this was headed. It’s the music he wants to make that says what he wants to say, as always. All Crush and Warner do is package that music and sell it with a visual that matches the sound they are given (and all with Green Day’s stamp of approval). Did he tell you that personally? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, solongfromthestars said: You think they wouldn't? It always amuses me how little control people think management have over Green Day (or any band for that matter). Whether they did or not, they certainly can influence it, even if it's just by choice of producer or urging them to do a certain thing. That’s not really how it works. Management is there to serve the band and make their wishes comes true. Green Day says they want to play stadiums, so they find a way to make a stadium tour happen. They want to work with a certain kind of producer, they hook them up, etc. but it all originates with the band. When the band weren’t happy with their last two managers they fired them. He works for them. 4 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said: Did he tell you that personally? Listen to the Beyond and Back podcast, consider the aesthetic of the Longshot, read what he told Billboard and Kerrang... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: That’s not really how it works. Management is there to serve the band and make their wishes comes true. Green Day says they want to play stadiums, so they find a way to make a stadium tour happen. They want to work with a certain kind of producer, they hook them up, etc. but it all originates with the band. When the band weren’t happy with their last two managers they fired them. He works for them. That's absolutely how it works. My partner is a musician. I've lived with this for nine years Management is there to make money. Musicians sign with them because they need to make money and promote themselves. In doing so they don't always get what they want. I'm not saying they never make their own decisions, because they do and they can obviously voice preferences. Ultimately all decisions are the management's though. Green Day wouldn't be leaving Warner if that wasn't the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, localinsomniac said: You..... think the management team had influence on Billie Joe's songwriting? That's a serious statement you're making? Not the songwriting or lyrics but everything else smacks of Crush Management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said: Ultimately all decisions are the management's though. Green Day wouldn't be leaving Warner if that wasn't the case. Management and the record label are two entirely different things. And you have a lot more power when you’re Green Day in any case than just some musician. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Management and the record label are two entirely different things. I'm aware of that. All their managers (including Crush) have been associated with/are employed by Warner, though. They'll obviously have more control over management as well as everything else after cutting ties with Warner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said: That's absolutely how it works. My partner is a musician. I live with this Management is there to make money. I'm not saying celebrities never make their own decisions, because they do and they can obviously voice preferences. Ultimately all decisions are the management's though. Green Day wouldn't be leaving Warner if that wasn't the case. Except Warner has nothing to do with the band's management. They're two separate entities. The label would have more control over the creative process and with them doing the bare minimum on this particular album, I would question how much say Warner actually has here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said: I'm aware of that. All their managers (including Crush) have been associated with/are employed by Warner, though. They'll obviously have more control over management as well as everything else after cutting ties with Warner. They're employed by Warner because they manage Green Day... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 OK, let's pretend management companies genuinely want the best for their musicians (which is a hilarious concept but anyway). They can still influence everything they do by stressing it's the best thing for them. That's the point that's being made. 12 minutes ago, Joe. said: They're employed by Warner because they manage Green Day... There's a difference between being employed by Warner because they manage Green Day and actually being part of Warner. 19 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: And you have a lot more power when you’re Green Day in any case than just some musician. No, they have less power because it's more important they behave a certain way to keep selling. My partner isn't just some musician - the lack of control is something that's actually really unpleasant to live with. But I guess if people believe celebrities always act of their own free will, management companies are doing well and this is probably a pointless discussion. This is why I wrote my dissertation on celebrity as simulation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Spoiler 55 minutes ago, localinsomniac said: You..... think the management team had influence on Billie Joe's songwriting? That's a serious statement you're making? 31 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Listen to the Beyond and Back podcast, consider the aesthetic of the Longshot, read what he told Billboard and Kerrang... 13 minutes ago, Joe. said: They're employed by Warner because they manage Green Day... Just stopping by to say I thoroughly enjoy all the passive aggressive punctuation going on in this thread right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted September 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2019 48 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said: You think they wouldn't? It always amuses me how little control people think management have over Green Day (or any famous band for that matter). Whether they did or not, they certainly can influence it, even if it's just by choice of producer or urging them to do a certain thing. Did he tell you that personally? Regardless of wether I like the song or not, I could share this point of view, the management imposing stuff over the band, if this song and what surrounds it was actually something absurd, out of the blue and the history of the band. But it’s not (IMHO, as everything that follows). Musically, the song is a natural evolution of sounds the band have been experimenting with in the last 15 years, with Foxboro, Dos, Longshot, and more. Lyrically, this is Billie sharing his demons in a fun way, something that he has always been doing, one can like it or not, but I can’t see anything of forced there. On the production side, sure Butch Walker is there, but I can mainly hear this on the positive side of things, I can understand and respect that someone hates the vocal filter (which has been there for ages, maybe not as present, but it’s Billie the one loving it) but I definitely can’t see this “pop” or “FOB style” influence over the song, this sounds 100% Green Day doing some rock n roll to me. From a “style and packaging” perspective, as any other musical album release, they have management consulting, coordinating, and guiding a lot of it. But honestly none of what we saw so far seems forced, not more then any other promotion cycle, certainly less then some cases (see the Trilogy). Damn the music video is the most Green Day thing I saw in many years. Billie’s comments to the song can be weird, cringe, creepy and everything else, but they are Billie as fuck. At the most I can see a certain Reverend influence. Finally, the tour is clearly something coming from the band side, if they didn’t want to do stadiums, they would have not done it, no one forced them, as no one forced them to join Crush and its roster. And Mike is clearly not dressed like Brandon Urie 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, J a c said: Regardless of wether I like the song or not, I could share this point of view, the management imposing stuff over the band, if this song and what surrounds it was actually something absurd, out of the blue and the history of the band. But it’s not (IMHO, as everything that follows). Musically, the song is a natural evolution of sounds the band have been experimenting with in the last 15 years, with Foxboro, Dos, Longshot, and more. Lyrically, this is Billie sharing his demons in a fun way, something that he has always been doing, one can like it or not, but I can’t see anything of forced there. On the production side, sure Butch Walker is there, but I can mainly hear this on the positive side of things, I can understand and respect that someone hates the vocal filter (which has been there for ages, maybe not as present, but it’s Billie the one loving it) but I definitely can’t see this “pop” or “FOB style” influence over the song, this sounds 100% Green Day doing some rock n roll to me. From a “style and packaging” perspective, as any other musical album release, they have management consulting, coordinating, and guiding a lot of it. But honestly none of what we saw so far seems forced, not more then any other promotion cycle, certainly less then some cases (see the Trilogy). Damn the music video is the most Green Day thing I saw in many years. Billie’s comments to the song can be weird, cringe, creepy and everything else, but they are Billie as fuck. At the most I can see a certain Reverend influence. Finally, the tour is clearly something coming from the band side, if they didn’t want to do stadiums, they would have not done it, no one forced them, as no one forced them to join Crush and its roster. And Mike is clearly not dressed like Brandon Urie I don't necessarily think the songwriting itself is influenced by anyone (and certainly not the lyrics since they're the most Green Day thing about it to me). I think the presentation is. I was just saying it's possible for the music to have been influenced since people seem to think that can't happen. As for the rest, I have my doubts and I feel that way with any celebrity unless I know otherwise, because "if they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't" is rarely how it works with anyone famous. Again, that isn't to say everything they do is dictated by management or a record label. The comments are absolutely Billie, which is Sad because they're so cringeworthy But I know from nine years of hating my partner's profession that some of it, as with any celebrity, has to be. I don't feel the trilogy was more forced or controlled at all - quite the opposite, actually. Whether or not it was his own choice, Mike is still dressed like Brendon Urie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted September 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said: I don't necessarily think the music itself is influenced by anyone. I was just saying it's possible since people seem to think that can't happen. As for the rest, I have my doubts and I feel that way with any celebrity unless I know otherwise, because "if they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't" is rarely how it works with anyone famous. Again, that isn't to say everything they do is dictated by management or a record label. The comments are absolutely Billie, which is Sad because they're so cringeworthy But I know from nine years of hating my partner's profession that some of it, as with any celebrity, has to be. I don't feel the trilogy was more forced or controlled at all - quite the opposite, actually. It may well have been his own choice, but Mike is still dressed like Brendon Urie Someone reminded me in another thread of all the bullshit Good morning America style interviews they were doing during the Trilogy time, the angry birds, the csi episodes, I think that promotion had the worst shit going around, even before Billie’s issue came out of the ground. And if you are talking about golden blazers, Urie should not be your reference 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cav9mm Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 So considering the FOAMF music video obviously wasn’t the Madonna Inn shoot, does this mean there potentially a new Green Day music video for a single ready to go ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Just now, cav9mm said: So considering this obviously wasn’t the Madonna Inn shoot, does this mean there potentially a new Green Day music video for a single ready to go ? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misery11 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I don't understand what the fuss is about. If you don't like the song, that's perfectly okay. But I don't understand all the craziness over the "sound" of the song. My first thought when I heard it was that it sounded like a Foxboro Hot Tubs release, or a song from Dos. Obviously that might not be everyone's favorite sound from them and that's perfectly okay. But it's still obviously Green Day to me. Just under a garage rock vibe rather than a punk one, something they have done before. People are acting like Green Day made a trap song. And FWIW, I think the production on this song is far better than anything off of Revolution Radio. That album has AWFUL production, possibly the worst of any GD release. Everything was either extremely quiet, or glaringly loud. The noticeable clipping at the beginning of Bouncing Off The Wall for example is cringe. I'm not sure what happened, as they produced themselves fine on Warning which has a great sound. But RevRad was not it. Needs a remaster bad. Butch Walker isn't a bad producer, he just tends to produce a lot of pop stuff. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Just now, cav9mm said: So considering this obviously wasn’t the Madonna Inn shoot, does this mean there potentially a new Green Day music video for a single ready to go ? Here’s hoping. They have to release something else with a five month wait for an album. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Here’s hoping. They have to release something else with a five month wait for an album. Yeah, I kinda give for granted that we’ll have at least 2 more singles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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