Redundantuserjinxboy Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, Matt. said: Huh! That’s interesting. If it’s out there, I’m surprised it hasn’t leaked. Have a feeling it'll leak in the next few weeks. I check hasitleaked.com every day waiting for the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendary Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, Redundantuserjinxboy said: Did you order it? No, I'm from Brazil... If I buy it now maybe just receive in March, because we have a "excellent" courier service here 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 53 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said: I am by no means a communist, far from it, but you're taking a lot of things about the supposedly unquestionable nature of the "free market" for granted here and also what this kid does or doesn't believe, similarly to what Ben Shapiro frequently does, all of which then makes a sensible or interesting discussion about economics virtually impossible. Have you seen the video or not? The kid thinks that he should make more money to put a pencil together. If you know anything about economics or have any experience in business there's nothing objectively that drives that person's raise to the level they're demanding. We're not talking about a reasonable raise like here's something for sticking around to cover inflation. This person wants to make a career out of a low skill position but is requesting a wage of a skilled worker. The kid is definitely intelligent enough to do more than make pencils but he needs to execute. He's also requesting a reward while taking on no risk. That's not how risk-reward works. Shapiro may be rough in his delivery but he isn't wrong. The kid provides no value if anything it will cost more to keep him than he's even worth with the consistent 2% raises to cover inflation. I'm not taking anything for granted at all because while most people were sleeping I was working or investing. I was once a very intelligent person in a low skill job making a low wage. I used whatever little I could save from that to put myself through school, invest and eventually ran my own business. I've created a scenario where I have a proven track record of providing enough value that I can tell people like Shapiro "No" and it actually means something. The kid was onto something in his thesis he just isn't in a position where he provides enough value for him to be in charge in that situation and therefore can't demand or negotiate. He's begging and that would be more taking the free market for granted. The kid isn't that lost. He will pick himself up put a plan together and he'll make something of himself. The experience will be the lesson. PS: The kid disclosed the wages they were talking about and they're almost double from where I started and in the country of operation taxes are lower by almost 20%. Even factoring in inflation over those years it's a more generous wage than myself and my peers were offered at the starting point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jankowski576 Posted January 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Sheenius said: Have you seen the video or not? The kid thinks that he should make more money to put a pencil together. If you know anything about economics or have any experience in business there's nothing objectively that drives that person's raise to the level they're demanding. We're not talking about a reasonable raise like here's something for sticking around to cover inflation. This person wants to make a career out of a low skill position but is requesting a wage of a skilled worker. The kid is definitely intelligent enough to do more than make pencils but he needs to execute. He's also requesting a reward while taking on no risk. That's not how risk-reward works. Shapiro may be rough in his delivery but he isn't wrong. The kid provides no value if anything it will cost more to keep him than he's even worth with the consistent 2% raises to cover inflation. I'm not taking anything for granted at all because while most people were sleeping I was working or investing. I was once a very intelligent person in a low skill job making a low wage. I used whatever little I could save from that to put myself through school, invest and eventually ran my own business. I've created a scenario where I have a proven track record of providing enough value that I can tell people like Shapiro "No" and it actually means something. The kid was onto something in his thesis he just isn't in a position where he provides enough value for him to be in charge in that situation and therefore can't demand or negotiate. He's begging and that would be more taking the free market for granted. The kid isn't that lost. He will pick himself up put a plan together and he'll make something of himself. The experience will be the lesson. Can we not here please? You’re both right let’s move on yay Green Day 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Clockwise said: Please stop it with the capitalist propaganda thanks. Do you make pencils? If you actually followed along here you'd see I deal with facts not left wing vs right wing bullshit. I also deal with the truth. Don't like it don't escalate. 10 minutes ago, Jankowski576 said: Can we not here please? You’re both right let’s move on yay Green Day then why bother responding? If you don't want to validate it then ignore it. 1 hour ago, MillenniumFan said: He's a dangerous gate-way to the alt-right though. And yes, I know he's jewish, but that's simply identity politics flipped on its head, because it doesn't change the egregiousness and dishonesty of his rhetoric. You speak as little for all right-wingers as he does, but I can assure you he has a significant following of self-described "right-wingers" or conservatives. Not least, because most of his views on economics, foreign policy and even social issues are moderately to very conservative. His politics are simply retarded. This is a guy who said a vote for Trump is just a vote against Hillary. With economics it's best to have mixed market. I wouldn't want to make a business out of healthcare but you also can't be giving the world to people with low productivity. As for the far right stuff and him being Jewish, I get why it's weird to you but I've ready some crazy stuff before that fall into this category. It's so messed up that I'm a direct communicator but I don't even feel comfortable repeating what I read. Also, cause I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and had friends that were Jewish and I know even they would think it's nuts. Sometimes hatred doesn't just stem from a fear of people or just an overall dislike for them, sometimes it stems from the belief that you or a group of people are better than them. Shapiro is similar to Trump, he's high on himself. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Sheenius said: Have you seen the video or not? The kid thinks that he should make more money to put a pencil together. If you know anything about economics or have any experience in business there's nothing objectively that drives that person's raise to the level they're demanding. We're not talking about a reasonable raise like here's something for sticking around to cover inflation. This person wants to make a career out of a low skill position but is requesting a wage of a skilled worker. The kid is definitely intelligent enough to do more than make pencils but he needs to execute. He's also requesting a reward while taking on no risk. That's not how risk-reward works. Shapiro may be rough in his delivery but he isn't wrong. The kid provides no value if anything it will cost more to keep him than he's even worth with the consistent 2% raises to cover inflation. I'm not taking anything for granted at all because while most people were sleeping I was working or investing. I was once a very intelligent person in a low skill job making a low wage. I used whatever little I could save from that to put myself through school, invest and eventually ran my own business. I've created a scenario where I have a proven track record of providing enough value that I can tell people like Shapiro "No" and it actually means something. The kid was onto something in his thesis he just isn't in a position where he provides enough value for him to be in charge in that situation and therefore can't demand or negotiate. He's begging and that would be more taking the free market for granted. The kid isn't that lost. He will pick himself up put a plan together and he'll make something of himself. The experience will be the lesson. PS: The kid disclosed the wages they were talking about and they're almost double from where I started and in the country of operation taxes are lower by almost 20%. Even factoring in inflation over those years it's a more generous wage than myself and my peers were offered at the starting point. Fact of like: people will work very hard to justify living their life in the easiest way. This is why liberal policies are so enticing. Who wouldn't want to live in a world where everything is free, no behavior has consequence, and hard work isn't required. The answer is mostly everyone. Whether it's drugs, sex, gambling, over-eating, free money from govt...people will CONVINCE themselves that they are right so that they can experience the ease and pleasure. Alcoholic tell themselves "Oh more drink won't hurt"; liberals tell themselves "I shouldn't have to work." In the end, just justifications for giving in to our vices. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumFan Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 13 hours ago, Sheenius said: Have you seen the video or not? The kid thinks that he should make more money to put a pencil together. If you know anything about economics or have any experience in business there's nothing objectively that drives that person's raise to the level they're demanding. We're not talking about a reasonable raise like here's something for sticking around to cover inflation. This person wants to make a career out of a low skill position but is requesting a wage of a skilled worker. The kid is definitely intelligent enough to do more than make pencils but he needs to execute. He's also requesting a reward while taking on no risk. That's not how risk-reward works. Shapiro may be rough in his delivery but he isn't wrong. The kid provides no value if anything it will cost more to keep him than he's even worth with the consistent 2% raises to cover inflation. I'm not taking anything for granted at all because while most people were sleeping I was working or investing. I was once a very intelligent person in a low skill job making a low wage. I used whatever little I could save from that to put myself through school, invest and eventually ran my own business. I've created a scenario where I have a proven track record of providing enough value that I can tell people like Shapiro "No" and it actually means something. The kid was onto something in his thesis he just isn't in a position where he provides enough value for him to be in charge in that situation and therefore can't demand or negotiate. He's begging and that would be more taking the free market for granted. The kid isn't that lost. He will pick himself up put a plan together and he'll make something of himself. The experience will be the lesson. PS: The kid disclosed the wages they were talking about and they're almost double from where I started and in the country of operation taxes are lower by almost 20%. Even factoring in inflation over those years it's a more generous wage than myself and my peers were offered at the starting point. I haven't seen the video, which is of course a major problem/roadblock in the way of me making a coherent and honest response. So, I'm not going to defend the kid's arguments or logic and you may well be representing his statements and opinions fairly. It doesn't change the fact that your statements about the free market and competition are merely assertions on your behalf, although seemingly backed up by your own experience, which is fair enough. However, they still prevent people from having a deeper discussion about what one considers to be the fundamental worth of labour or how/if that relates to human worth etc., rather just what "pure market forces" determine it to be. But again, if you want to discuss this further please take it to some other thread. My more general point wasn't actually so much about your statements, but more about that Ben Shapiro isn't worthy of winning any debate in my opinion, because he is simply fundamentally dishonest. You just need to look at all the rubbish he so confidently spouts about Scandinavian countries (or more generally Europe) while not having the foggiest clue about what he's talking about, to see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, DookieLukie said: Fact of like: people will work very hard to justify living their life in the easiest way. This is why liberal policies are so enticing. Who wouldn't want to live in a world where everything is free, no behavior has consequence, and hard work isn't required. The answer is mostly everyone. Whether it's drugs, sex, gambling, over-eating, free money from govt...people will CONVINCE themselves that they are right so that they can experience the ease and pleasure. Alcoholic tell themselves "Oh more drink won't hurt"; liberals tell themselves "I shouldn't have to work." In the end, just justifications for giving in to our vices. Yeah straight up. It's pretty sad when people on here see the behaviours of mixed market economies and try to call it capitalist propaganda. If it was capitalist propaganda I'd be talking about the business of healthcare and not pencils. People don't realize this kid has a JOB. When I graduated college so many of my peers couldn't get a low level job let alone a job they were fully capable of and qualified for. Aside from basic human rights (some countries don't even provide some or all of these) you aren't entitled to anything. You need to provide some level of value to get the reward or you can take on the risk. That's not capitalist or communist, fascist or mixed market. That's how any venture works financially. Also your comment here is a bullseye 100% I know GD is a left biased band so they're gonna attract fans with that bias but they also have middle class hard working roots. It's surprising to see so many people here that should be identifying with that part of the band stray away from it cause well... its WORK 21 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said: I haven't seen the video, which is of course a major problem/roadblock in the way of me making a coherent and honest response. So, I'm not going to defend the kid's arguments or logic and you may well be representing his statements and opinions fairly. It doesn't change the fact that your statements about the free market and competition are merely assertions on your behalf, although seemingly backed up by your own experience, which is fair enough. However, they still prevent people from having a deeper discussion about what one considers to be the fundamental worth of labour or how/if that relates to human worth etc., rather just what "pure market forces" determine it to be. It's not based on me. How much is this kid's labor worth without the required machinery to complete his job? Also, how many people are in line for his job? It's all supply and demand. Sadly the supply of laborers exceeds the amount that are demanded. Regardless of your beliefs or how you want it to be this kid is not in charge in this situation. Don't let your disdain for Shapiro blind you from seeing the truth in the situation. 21 minutes ago, MillenniumFan said: But again, if you want to discuss this further please take it to some other thread. My more general point wasn't actually so much about your statements, but more about that Ben Shapiro isn't worthy of winning any debate in my opinion, because he is simply fundamentally dishonest. You just need to look at all the rubbish he so confidently spouts about Scandinavian countries (or more generally Europe) while not having the foggiest clue about what he's talking about, to see that. As I said him talking about the operation of a business he owns and manages or talking about a market he has sales in X% of is separate from his political views. He can say whatever he wants about Scandinavian countries. I'm sure he has a lot to say about Canada too. Irrelevant to making pencils. Also, you may want to read Michael's Parenti's books if you haven't already. You'll appreciate his take on economics which seems to have the perfect balance of opportunities and abundance of social programs. The efficiencies and avoidance of corruption are enough to pay for social programs. The theory succeeded in practice in Denmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Squashie Posted January 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2020 Can’t you 3 take your argument to PM, please?!?! I don’t want to read your off topic crap. 23 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, DadBod said: Can’t you 3 take your argument to PM, please?!?! I don’t want to read your off topic crap. it's related to the album cause during the tour Billie Joe is gonna rant about Shapiro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Is there going to be a video for "Oh Yeah"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, That Dude said: Is there going to be a video for "Oh Yeah"? Yeah Ben Shapiro will be in it 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post That Dude Posted January 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2020 It's not a crime to leak 18 minutes and 46 seconds of music. Come on, just do. 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Khaleesi. Posted January 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2020 Alright, get back on topic now guys. Thanks! 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sheenius said: Yeah Ben Shapiro will be in it In the video, Ben forms a band with Corey Taylor and Brain from Queen. Green Day are their rivals at first, but as the story unfolds they come to like each other. They do this huge show and as they play, the "American Idiot slime" starts to fill up the place. Green Day are the only ones to survive, making a quick getaway in the Broken Dreams car. Tre Cool gets in a fist fight with a space-tricycle and Green Day are teleported to another dimension. There, they run into the guys from................ PANICLAND. PreendicLand Day go into the studio together, but an unseen evil force is lurking. What will happen to our hero? Meet us on the roof in the next episode, "Meet me on the Roof". In the next episode, nothing is followed up. Green Day are performing on a - you guessed it - ROOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, That Dude said: In the video, Ben forms a band with Corey Taylor and Brain from Queen. Green Day are their rivals at first, but as the story unfolds they come to like each other. They do this huge show and as they play, the "American Idiot slime" starts to fill up the place. Green Day are the only ones to survive, making a quick getaway in the Broken Dreams car. Tre Cool gets in a fist fight with a space-tricycle and Green Day are teleported to another dimension. There, they run into the guys from................ PANICLAND. PreendicLand Day go into the studio together, but an unseen evil force is lurking. What will happen to our hero? Meet us on the roof in the next episode, "Meet me on the Roof". In the next episode, nothing is followed up. Green Day are performing on a - you guessed it - ROOF. meet me on the roof 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verycool99 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 48 minutes ago, That Dude said: It's not a crime to leak 18 minutes and 46 seconds of music. Come on, just do. The fact that that’s all we have left hear...18 minutes 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killjoywhatsername Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, That Dude said: It's not a crime to leak 18 minutes and 46 seconds of music. Come on, just do. When you put it like that it's kind of sad. Two Jesus of Suburbias. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, killjoywhatsername said: When you put it like that it's kind of sad. Two Jesus of Suburbias. Would you like your JOS served with Homecoming? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDFan2019 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Verycool99 said: The fact that that’s all we have left hear...18 minutes Plus 7 other unreleased tracks, I hope we eventually get to hear everything! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trambopoline Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 hours ago, legendary said: I was talking with this seller and apparently he already have the item to send in 5/10 days. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F352922007915 Here's what he said: "Hello. If I buy today when you Will send?" "This item is available and in stock as confirmed by the record label. Please allow 5 to 10 business days since the payment date for preparation and dispatch of your order. Best regards." okay so who's dropping the $30 to buy it and leak it to the rest of us? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Train27 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Herroon said: okay so who's dropping the $30 to buy it and leak it to the rest of us? Don’t bother estimated shipment day is Jan. 27th - Feb. 11th 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redundantuserjinxboy Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, Herroon said: okay so who's dropping the $30 to buy it and leak it to the rest of us? I will gladly if it's legit (which I somehow doubt any of this would result in getting it to much earlier. Probably a week before release or so and I'm betting itll be leaked by then anyways.) I'm gonna tell him I dont believe him and tell him to leak them himself lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realDonaldTrump Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 “huh”. okay lol. its not that he’s not right wing enough, he believes in fighting wars for israel, i don’t believe in fighting wars for any other country and having boys my age die for a country like israel. react with a 🤣 all you want. he’s an evil little war mongering shit. it’s disgusting and anti liberal. war is disgusting and ben shapiro aligns much more with the left and neo conservatives with that much. end of story. he’s a rat and a deceitful coward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joe. Posted January 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2020 43 minutes ago, ImNotInGreenDaydummy said: “huh”. okay lol. its not that he’s not right wing enough, he believes in fighting wars for israel, i don’t believe in fighting wars for any other country and having boys my age die for a country like israel. react with a 🤣 all you want. he’s an evil little war mongering shit. it’s disgusting and anti liberal. war is disgusting and ben shapiro aligns much more with the left and neo conservatives with that much. end of story. he’s a rat and a deceitful coward. I don’t give a fuck about whatever you’re talking about it’s off topic 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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