Beerjeezus Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 At first I thought FOAM and FRA sounded muddy, but it's grown on me and now I'm looking forward to hearing the album in proper quality. I'm a little nervous about it, but if the vinyl rip sounds acceptable, the album can't be that bad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Bras Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 22 hours ago, Jonny smith said: Hahaha they actually did. I was 18 when AI dropped and everyone of my friends hated it... even though we’d only been fans since 1999 just before warning dropped haha It's a cycle, the audience is never going to be keen on change but this seems like the logical evolution after a Trilogy too ambitious that only a few enjoyed and a regular 12 songs album that was meant to get back on track and for almost everyone to enjoy. Now it's time for experimentation again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punkyyy Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, Brutalitops said: I mentioned in the initial post that the vinyl rip is a factor obviously. The fact is just about every Walker album I've listened to has had production problems holding back the songs is no coincidence, be it mixing, production choices or blowout effects. So a scepticism that the full release is going to alleviate all of the leak issues is founded, in my opinion. Mate, again, butch did not mix this album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stefano Bras Posted February 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2020 If DOS! was the second album by the Foxboro Hot Tubs, Father of All Motherfuckers is the second album by The Longshot, basically. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Oh my there's so many posts I want to reply to! But here's my morning thoughts about the album. What are some of the things Green Day are doing for the first time here? Think about this one, and I'll analyse the rest. What previous Green Day sounds appear here? I can give this one a whirl: lyrical similarities or call backs to 21st Century Breakdown, American Idiot throughout, starting in the title track. "Meet Me on the Roof" actually has things from Trilogy, Rev Rad and Longshot - most of it in the first verse. Musically, it's Foxboro Hot Tubs. "Teenager Teenager Teenager Teenager" sounds like a Trilogy song and Longshot song blended together. DOS and Longshot. 'Stab" is clearing F(woo) Time redux. Dos again. Lyrically, it's Breakdown and The Network. And Uno. "Sugar Youth" has American Idiot, Breakdown and Rev Rad all over it. "Junkies" has some Dos-style lyrics. "Graffitia" - has some Tre and Breakdown lyrics. Also, one of my favorite lines is "Life during war time" because that song is awesome. Pinhead Gunpowder! I see influences from American Idiot, Breakdown, Trilogy and Revolution Radio. Nothing from earlier material that I can here. Some outside projects that I heard - Foxboro Hot Tubs, Longshot, The Network and Pinhead Gunpowder. While those have been separate in the past, I love that Billie decided to use everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink (the kitchen sink being the Network?) on this short album. It would have been really boring if we had 26 minutes of 'standard Green Day tunes'. Instead, we get this feeling of going insane with the author of the party. Billie took all his tools as a songwriter, and really put them to use here. It's a strong record because of this. If anyone hears any pre-Idiot sounds, let me know. I'd love to know this is a true amalgamation of ALL THINGS GREEN DAY. I though about including Nimrod, simply because of the diversity, so maybe that one counts too. 17 hours ago, walking_c0ntradicti0n said: Stab you in the heart and graffitia got me excited because it sounded like mike was prominent on the backing vocals and the reviews are saying butch sings on both of those songs so now im confused and slightly upset I've heard the album, now the most exciting part of getting a physical copy will be to go straight to the credits and see what Mike and Tre did, and who the other personal are. It's possible it was all Green Day and the producer, but not likely. There are horns, choir and female vocals and some other instrumentation. I will be very upset if Mike and Tre didn't at least do SOME of the backing vocals. I've been a huge fan of their change in style, and don't even mind backing tracks and Billie not playing guitar. but this is one I've got to be hard headed about. Mike and Tre's backing vocals ARE Green Day. Maybe Butch could join as a fourth member, but I need me some Mike/Tre vocals. I REALLY, REALLY need an entire lead vocal from them too. To hear they may not even be doing their Harmonies and Heys....... that stabs me in the heart. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Stefano Bras said: If DOS! was the second album by the Foxboro Hot Tubs, Father of All Motherfuckers is the second album by The Longshot, basically. That’s a fun suggestion, but I think it’s much more than that The Longshot is clearly a laboratory of creativity that influenced Billie with this (I think especially from a lyrics perspective), but I can hear them playing with sounds and ideas they had been trying to incorporate since the Trilogy, mixed with the different clasic “GD filters”, including those that with 21CB we started to consider as “classical”, but that in 2004 were the “AI experiment”. The thing is that I have the feeling this time it actually worked out, and if the record confirms this I would be so happy about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Bras Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Green Day is basically saying: "fuck this shit, all our side projects are basically who we are" 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 7 hours ago, W_FInkThePlatypusHunter said: I’m honestly kind of in awe of how good this album is. I think Graffitia might be one of the best closers they've ever had. The first 3 tunes really give no indication of where it's going to go, just little hints. One thing is that the recordings came out sounding like they're loose when playing which is great and it displays a groove they stayed away from for too long. Also, some of the slower songs intrigue me because they create such a contrast with the rest of the discography. They were effective in creating space in the arrangement which allowed Billie Joe to use new vocal phrasings. Some albums they recorded have stiff moments in them but this one seems to capture the energy and flow of the song well the way AI or Dookie did. The songs are all different from each other but yet are somehow all tied in still. Those with an open mind will enjoy 5-6 new classics those with a closed mind will find 1 song they enjoy and complain about it. I will say Graffitia is an epic imo. Put that on a tracklist with London Calling. It fits in perfectly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Bras Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: That’s a fun suggestion, but I think it’s much more than that The Longshot is clearly a laboratory of creativity that influenced Billie with this (I think especially from a lyrics perspective), but I can hear them playing with sounds and ideas they had been trying to incorporate since the Trilogy, mixed with the different clasic “GD filters”, including those that with 21CB we started to consider as “classical”, but that in 2004 were the “AI experiment”. The thing is that I have the feeling this time it actually worked out, and if the record confirms this I would be so happy about that American Idiot 2 confirmed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Stefano Bras said: Green Day is basically saying: "fuck this shit, all our side projects are also who we are" 😂 Fixed it 1 minute ago, Stefano Bras said: American Idiot 2 confirmed. There’s people who would kill you for this, even if it’s a joke, you know? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 16 hours ago, RisingRedWolf said: Petition to bring back Mike vocals on albums plz. Website created! The main goal will to eventually get Mike and Tre at least EQUAL singing parts as Billie. We'll start cases for the guys in the backing band at some point too. This is 2020, darnnit - and people are not being treated as equals!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Bras Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 If Michael Mayer had fun directing American Idiot, he would go crazy for a broadway adaptation of this album, for me it's so theatrical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutalitops Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, Punkyyy said: Mate, again, butch did not mix this album. Yes and I never stated otherwise in that post. In fact that's why I bothered to make the distinction that production choices were part of the problem and not purely mixing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Bras Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: Fixed it That's exactly what I meant HAHA, you should manage my GDC account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutalitops Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 My biggest problem with Butch Walker albums (let's use FOAM, and Pacific Daydream and Raditude by Weezer as examples) is that when I listen to a song, I almost never get the feeling that the version I am hearing is the best possible version of this song that could have existed is the one I'm listening to. The last MCR album was another example of this actually. I just felt most of these songs could have been done better than they were in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 14 hours ago, Beatlesdude said: I listened. And was really skeptical. But I am in absolute love. Caught Sgt Pepper Vibes the whole time. And since at least one of the band members will (hopefully) be peeking at the forums. So thank you. I just got picked up by a manager and am moving to Nashville next month to work as a songwriter and none of it would have started without y’all. This record is an inspiration and a statement What a fitting comparison! The Beatles album that is simultaneously known as the Best and Worst album of ALL TIME!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutalitops Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 But hey, the production is a bit messy but I still think it sounds better than RevRad! That album was like a brick wall to the side of the head for headphone users in some moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Just now, Brutalitops said: My biggest problem with Butch Walker albums (let's use FOAM, and Pacific Daydream and Raditude by Weezer as examples) is that when I listen to a song, I almost never get the feeling that the version I am hearing is the best possible version of this song that could have existed is the one I'm listening to. The last MCR album was another example of this actually. I just felt most of these songs could have been done better than they were in the end It sounds like based on other projects you’re going into this one with a bias. If it were possible I’d be curious to know what you would have thought of FOAM if you were told it was self produced before you heard it (so if you didn’t know it was Butch). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Beerjeezus said: Excuse me, do you have a moment to think about the way the vocals and guitar twine in Take The Money And Crawl? I noticed that too, that's not something Green Day have down before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Beerjeezus said: Excuse me, do you have a moment to think about the way the vocals and guitar twine in Take The Money And Crawl? oh baby twine and gine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDFan2019 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, Brutalitops said: But hey, the production is a bit messy but I still think it sounds better than RevRad! That album was like a brick wall to the side of the head for headphone users in some moments. I loved RevRad. Although I noticed some parts were mixed way too soft like the intro to Somewhere Now and the beginning of Too Dumb to Die. The album was self produced. I forget, did they mix it themselves too or did they have Chris Dugan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted February 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Beerjeezus said: Excuse me, do you have a moment to think about the way the vocals and guitar twine in Take The Money And Crawl? Bad Butch Walker! Bad, bad dude! One thing that is amazing about this record and that is clear despite the bad quality of the leak: these songs, finally, fucking progress. Teenager is a great example, in RR it would have probably been a flat song like Outlaws, here it’s a perfect example of progressive punk rock. It starts and finishes in two totally different states, and there’s a constant progression during verses and chorus. Or think about sugar youth, each verse it’s different to the previous one. Or Take the money and crawl and its variations within the chorus. Brilliant record. The last time GD did this was with 21CB (multi part songs don’t really count IMHO). Ironically enough, of the three singles only Oh yeah! does this, and in a much more limited way. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lenny Posted February 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, HAPPY ROOTING UNICORN said: Bad Butch Walker! Bad, bad dude! One thing that is amazing about this record and that is clear despite the bad quality of the leak: these songs, finally, fucking progress. Teenager is a great example, in RR it would have probably been a flat song like Outlaws, here it’s a perfect example of progressive punk rock. It starts and finishes in two totally different states, and there’s a constant progression during verses and chorus. Or think about sugar youth, each verse it’s different to the previous one. Or Take the money and crawl and its 3 different chorus. Brilliant record. The last time GD did this was with 21CB (multi part songs don’t really count IMHO). Ironically enough, of the three singles only Oh yeah! do this, and in a much more limited way. They finally added in some more instrumental elements. Dookie and Insomniac have those breakdowns, American Idiot has long progressions and solos etc This is something that's been missing in GD's newer music post 21cb. What's cool is they were able to bring it back without making the song an extended length of time. It's all packaged in this short 2 minute piece. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Sheenius said: What's cool is they were able to bring it back without making the song an extended length of time. It's all packaged in this short 2 minute piece. Exactly, that’s great, and not easy at all to find elsewhere IMHO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinsoniko Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I don’t get the hate for Teenage Teenager, lol loving this song, yeah sounds like swmrs/weezer but still GD, love all the overlaying vocals at the end, can’t wait to hear it in stero. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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