petros Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 hours ago, Yosuke Hanamura said: Did you get an advanced copy of the album or something? Just because two songs aren’t of the quality you expect, doesn’t mean you can safely, 100% come to that conclusion. Also, people said similar things about the Trilogy, then RevRad came and quickly silenced people who spouted doom and gloom for the band’s new material. Yeah RevRad really silenced us that thought green day aren't trying hard anymore and don't keep pushing their sound forward with its punk rock sound they never did before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke Hanamura Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, theangel said: Kerplunk is a great album, any combination of two songs from it would destroy FRA and FoA... in terms of quality. Firstly, if you’re actually implying that Dominated Love Slave is objectively a better song than FOAMF or FRA, what album are you listening to? Secondly, you missed the point. You were judging the quality of a song based on the name without even giving it a chance. That is textbook prejudice, and is the main issue I have with people who trash FOAMF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 10 hours ago, Jorgemas said: Songs/singles are released to we have idea what album will be like. Fire ready aim is okay but foam is gross. I’m not judging the album, I’m judging the singles, and how they begin to act and perform. Trilogy and revrad was a bomb. You can enjoy your time and also can ignore my sms. I’m just saying obvious things to me. For the first time I can say gd ducked up. But who cares. I move on with my life ((( I'm not a big fan of their recent singles either but this is a mischaracterisation of the situation. Firstly, singles can be completely different from the rest of the album. They aren't necessarily indicative of the rest of the album. A lot of the time they're just released because they work well as singles. Also, I don't understand you characterising foam as "gross". I'm not into the song mainly because of the verses but I don't see anything "gross" about the song. Secondly, we've heard 2 songs. Wait until we hear at least another song or two before making your mind up. 10 hours ago, Yosuke Hanamura said: Did you get an advanced copy of the album or something? Just because two songs aren’t of the quality you expect, doesn’t mean you can safely, 100% come to that conclusion. Also, people said similar things about the Trilogy, then RevRad came and quickly silenced people who spouted doom and gloom for the band’s new material. I don't really get this notion that RevRad was way better than the trilogy. I mean, the main issue people had with the trilogy was the length and the filler across the 2 hours of material. But RevRad isn't really of a higher quality. Their solution wasn't to up their game on RevRad, but it was more to remove the filler and bring back some of the politics of the AI/21CB years but make it more generic. Really the only thing that sort of improved on RevRad was the lyrics. There were less cringeworthy lyrics, there were more personal lyrics but at the same time, the lyrics on RevRad were rarely exceptional, especially by GD standards I think if you took the best 12 songs from the trilogy and compared it to RevRad, the 12 best trilogy songs would be far superior. And even then, there's way more than 12 stellar songs on the trilogy, at least imo. RevRad imo is better than Uno, Dos and Tré individually but only slightly. I'd take the trilogy in a heartbeat over RevRad 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke Hanamura Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, petros said: Yeah RevRad really silenced us that thought green day aren't trying hard anymore and don't keep pushing their sound forward with its punk rock sound they never did before. So you’re actually going to sit here and tell me that songs like Bang Bang, Revolution Radio, Still Breathing, and Forever Now have no effort put into them, despite the fact that there is a ton of emotional and political baggage on display? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, theangel said: Kerplunk is a great album, any combination of two songs from it would destroy FRA and FoA... in terms of quality. Kerplunk>Dookie every day of the week for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke Hanamura Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said: I don't really get this notion that RevRad was way better than the trilogy. I mean, the main issue people had with the trilogy was the length and the filler across the 2 hours of material. But RevRad isn't really of a higher quality. Their solution wasn't to up their game on RevRad, but it was more to remove the filler and bring back some of the politics of the AI/21CB years but make it more generic. Really the only thing that sort of improved on RevRad was the lyrics. There were less cringeworthy lyrics, there were more personal lyrics but at the same time, the lyrics on RevRad were rarely exceptional, especially by GD standards You preferring the trilogy is a matter of taste, and I can respect that. The point I was trying to make was that the trilogy had the Warning syndrome, where overtime, fans rejected and started trashing the material because of how poppy and unorganized it was as presented. While I disagree with this, it is something that happened. Revolution Radio won back over a decent amount of those people because it showed people that they could still write loud, high energy, banging tunes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, Yosuke Hanamura said: So you’re actually going to sit here and tell me that songs like Bang Bang, Revolution Radio, Still Breathing, and Forever Now have no effort put into them, despite the fact that there is a ton of emotional and political baggage on display? Green day can shit bang bangs, revrads and still breathings every time they want. I don't get it how people don't see it. Making 21stcb drove them crazy and when Mike was recording the last notes of american idiot Billie Joe was literally crying and it just shows on the music. Green Day tried really hard on every release up until 21st. Then they started having fun. Well great for them, but the quality of the music isn't there and A TON of people share this opinion. @Christian's Inferno! You have the username of the only song from green day I dislike from start until 21stcb but very well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGLWW Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, petros said: Green day can shit bang bangs, revrads and still breathings every time they want. I don't get it how people don't see it. Making 21stcb drove them crazy and when Mike was recording the last notes of american idiot Billie Joe was literally crying and it just shows on the music. Green Day tried really hard on every release up until 21st. Then they started having fun. Well great for them, but the quality of the music isn't there and A TON of people share this opinion. @Christian's Inferno! You have the username of the only song from green day I dislike from start until 21stcb but very well said. Maybe that's somewhat true, but I don't completely agree. It's sad that people can't appreciate good stuff from a band that's been around for so long. Maybe they've just done what they can with their sound for the most part. Every project has a shelf life. I think it's really entitled to expect them to keep making their best work every time they release something. And I disagree about 21CB. I think that was a worse version of AI basically. It has some good songs, but it's not really anything different 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke Hanamura Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, petros said: Green day can shit bang bangs, revrads and still breathings every time they want. I don't get it how people don't see it. Making 21stcb drove them crazy and when Mike was recording the last notes of american idiot Billie Joe was literally crying and it just shows on the music. Green Day tried really hard on every release up until 21st. Then they started having fun. Well great for them, but the quality of the music isn't there and A TON of people share this opinion. So, in your mind, Green Day music is only ever good if they drive themselves insane just to show “effort”. Need I bring up Warning again? Fans trashed this album at first because of how drastically different it was compared to their last few albums. It shows that Green Day could work their ass off in music, and still have it trashed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, Yosuke Hanamura said: So, in your mind, Green Day music is only ever good if they drive themselves insane just to show “effort”. Need I bring up Warning again? Fans trashed this album at first because of how drastically different it was compared to their last few albums. It shows that Green Day could work their ass off in music, and still have it trashed. Yeah warning was trashed for being different but what does this have to do with what I said? I'm trashing green day for NOT being different and trying hard to push their sound forward and instead we get bang bangs and other punk rock/pop punk type of albums that they made in the 90s and back then they did it better. 23 minutes ago, Taste said: Maybe that's somewhat true, but I don't completely agree. It's sad that people can't appreciate good stuff from a band that's been around for so long. Maybe they've just done what they can with their sound for the most part. Every project has a shelf life. I think it's really entitled to expect them to keep making their best work every time they release something. And I disagree about 21CB. I think that was a worse version of AI basically. It has some good songs, but it's not really anything different I'm not hating cause I don't like the music. I'm hating because I feel are better musicians than trying in their 40s to redo the sound they did better in their 20s. And that's all I see in revrad and most of the trilogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGLWW Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, petros said: Yeah warning was trashed for being different but what does this have to do with what I said? I'm trashing green day for NOT being different and trying hard to push their sound forward and instead we get bang bangs and other punk rock/pop punk type of albums that they made in the 90s and back then they did it better. I'm not hating cause I don't like the music. I'm hating because I feel are better musicians than trying in their 40s to redo the sound they did better in their 20s. And that's all I see in revrad and most of the trilogy. I think to some extent they did that. With troubled times and at least somewhat with bang bang and revolution radio, because they got better technically as musicians by practicing and learning more about music theory. I mean I wouldn't necessarily say bang bang and rev rad are exactly the same songs from dookie Plus they had the rehab and stuff with post 21 CB breakdown music. They've only had one album since the trilogy. Maybe it just might take a little more time to recover. There are signs on Rev Rad of really starting to do something different again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke Hanamura Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, petros said: Yeah warning was trashed for being different but what does this have to do with what I said? I'm trashing green day for NOT being different and trying hard to push their sound forward and instead we get bang bangs and other punk rock/pop punk type of albums that they made in the 90s and back then they did it better. It has everything to do what you said, since you stated that they were trying UNTIL 21CB. Warning fits in that time frame. By your logic, it must have been an amazing album that everyone must love because more effort was put into it, but that’s not how it worked. (It is an amazing album, but that’s not the point.) And now, Green Day is trying to spice up their sound again with FOAMF. What’s the reaction? Trashed on arrival! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Christian's Inferno! said: Firstly, singles can be completely different from the rest of the album. They aren't necessarily indicative of the rest of the album. A lot of the time they're just released because they work well as singles. I think if you took the best 12 songs from the trilogy and compared it to RevRad, the 12 best trilogy songs would be far superior. Singles for GD are typically not indicative of the rest of the album. If you're doing 12 best songs of trilogy vs rev rad to make this comparison accurate you actually need to provide info on what those 12 songs are. There's nothing qualitative about this blanket statement. 1 hour ago, Yosuke Hanamura said: So you’re actually going to sit here and tell me that songs like Bang Bang, Revolution Radio, Still Breathing, and Forever Now have no effort put into them, despite the fact that there is a ton of emotional and political baggage on display? Not even worth responding to that dude. Low music IQ. Bang bang is one of the best post AI GD songs. Even Rev Rad as a song is still in the top 10 post AI songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Sheenius said: Low music IQ Wish I had high music IQ like you Man some people are stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I feel like with everything before American Idiot, they basically did what came natural to them and those albums generally were really good. With American Idiot and 21CB (and with their side projects during that period) the band tried to do something new and tried really hard to make those albums stand out. With everything they've done since then, I feel like they're trying to do a mix of all their older sounds without really bringing much new elements to the table. Sometimes that works really well, other times it has mixed results. FOAMF isn't really all that different apart from the falsetto vocal style. The chorus of FOAMF works really well to me but again that's just Green Day being Green Day. FRA sounds like Green Day not putting in much effort imo 11 minutes ago, Sheenius said: Singles for GD are typically not indicative of the rest of the album. If you're doing 12 best songs of trilogy vs rev rad to make this comparison accurate you actually need to provide info on what those 12 songs are. There's nothing qualitative about this blanket statement. Not even worth responding to that dude. Low music IQ. Bang bang is one of the best post AI GD songs. Even Rev Rad as a song is still in the top 10 post AI songs. Exactly what I was saying. GD's singles aren't always indicative of the album they appear on Obviously I'm just giving my personal opinion. My personal 12 favourite trilogy songs I'd prefer over the RevRad album. My favourite trilogy songs include Brutal Love, Oh Love, X-Kid, Stray Heart, Lazy Bones etc. @petros is just giving his opinion. There's nothing "Low IQ" about what his preferences are. Your opinions on Bang Bang and RevRad are subjective, just as his opinions are 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, petros said: Wish I had high music IQ like you Man some people are stupid. I was a pro for 5 years before picking a different career so your sarcastic comment means squat to me and I wasn't taking any shots at you. If you're working on something send me your stuff I'd love to hear it (no sarcasm here I'm 100% serious I'd love to hear your stuff if you have something to share). I've seen you post around here for 4-5 months now I have a large enough sample size to warrant my comment. Sure, music is subjective but I'm going to step in when you start commenting on the "level of effort". They produced Rev Rad on their own with no producer. Do you even know what managing a project like that looks like? It's clear you view this as a fan and that's exactly what you are. Don't pretend like you've been on their side of the fence and think you're in a position to warrant the level of effort for a project you've never participated in or seen to completion. I'm linked to people that have worked with Rob Cavallo directly and the one thing I'll say is don't question GD's work ethic. They spend a lot of time tracking and they spend so much time on effort on being 150% precise when recording. If you want to subjectively talk about the quality of the songs or songwriting that's one thing but to make a statement based on 0% facts about the level of effort is where I draw the line. Am I "stupid" or do I just have the balls to directly address bullshit when I see it? I guess we'll see. 10 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said: @petros is just giving his opinion. There's nothing "Low IQ" about what his preferences are. Your opinions on Bang Bang and RevRad are subjective, just as his opinions are Read my point as why I said that. It's not about the songs it's about the work ethic comments. People underestimate the work ethic of playing at the level GD is at. It's not as easy as it looks. Chances are your ordinary average job is much easier and less demanding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I don't care who you've talked with. At the end of the day you are a fan that listens to music and so is everyone. I never implied my opinions are better than anyone else's here. On the other hand you are the one saying someone has low music iq since they disagree with you. They produced revrad and they made parts of songs sound like they're muted and other parts super loud. And even if the producing was excellent I'm judging the quality of the music as I see it. I see a song like fire ready aim as lack of effort and a super easy song for them to make, just like a lot of others after 21st. You can view it as the bohemian rhapsody of punk rock. I don't care. Have you seen me jumping on people that say they love the new music? I'm not you. I'm sharing my opinions and you get triggered by it like a 12 year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, petros said: I don't care who you've talked with. At the end of the day you are a fan that listens to music and so is everyone. I never implied my opinions are better than anyone else's here. On the other hand you are the one saying someone has low music iq since they disagree with you. They produced revrad and they made parts of songs sound like their muted and other parts super loud. And even if the producing was excellent I'm judging the quality of the music as I see it. I see a song like fire ready aim as lack of effort and a super easy song for them to make, just like a lot of others after 21st. You can view it as the bohemian rhapsody of punk rock. I don't care. Have you seen me jumping on people that say they love the new music? I'm not you. I'm sharing my opinions and you get triggered by it like a 12 year old. As I said I was a professional in the industry and understand the project management that goes into these projects. Yes, we can all have opinions but just cause you personally value yours doesn't mean that your conclusions are based on facts or any experience or knowledge in the subject. I didn't say that cause you disagree with me or cause I disagree with you all I'm saying is your perspective is based on an outsider looking in. You're saying I'm a fan yes I'm a fan but I've also been a pro in the industry and understand the actual project management behind making an album, especially one that's self produced. Once again if you have been involved in some project then share it I'll be happy to listen to it. What I don't get is how I'm triggered if you're the one that's offended? Grow a set stop flaunting the plastic ones that you've manufactured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 You don't need to be a worldwide selling artist to think something is below an artist's usual standard. If I think a song sounds like little effort has been put into it, I'll point that out. I think FRA sounds like a song that didn't have that much effort put into it compared to what GD have done on previous albums, and considering this album is just 26 minutes, every minute should sound memorable and like there was a lot of work put into it. We're all entitled to give our opinions. I don't think petros is saying anything about their work ethic. I just see him giving his opinion about the quality of their recent material. Being in the industry doesn't make your view any more legitimate than any other fan. I'm gonna be honest @Sheenius, it does kind of sound like you're triggered by petros giving his opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said: I'm gonna be honest @Sheenius, it does kind of sound like you're triggered by petros giving his opinion Not triggered at all. Like I said his opinion has 0% validity to me. He's just offended. Didn't even have the balls to quote me directly in his responses. That speaks for itself. He also has the right to ignore me why does he keep taking the bait? 21 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said: Being in the industry doesn't make your view any more legitimate than any other fan. Never said directly that it was. What I'm saying is I understand the actual tasks required in such a project to complete. I understand the challenges that artists are faced with. Something a fan that's not in the industry will not understand. There's 100% validity to that. To conclude and shut this whole thing down in the end it doesn't matter what the opinions are about the recent efforts. What I have shared with you guys stands regardless of whether you accept it or not. The band will work at the efficiency and accuracy they have always worked at and will succeed regardless of your reactions to it. As much as you've tried to prove that your opinions matter unfortunately, to real artists they don't matter. They love the fans I'm not saying they don't care about the fans but the reason why they've connected with so many people is cause they have stayed true to themselves artistically and have made bold moves regardless of people's opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashback Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 59 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said: You don't need to be a worldwide selling artist to think something is below an artist's usual standard. If I think a song sounds like little effort has been put into it, I'll point that out. I think FRA sounds like a song that didn't have that much effort put into it compared to what GD have done on previous albums, and considering this album is just 26 minutes, every minute should sound memorable and like there was a lot of work put into it. We're all entitled to give our opinions. I don't think petros is saying anything about their work ethic. I just see him giving his opinion about the quality of their recent material. Being in the industry doesn't make your view any more legitimate than any other fan. I'm gonna be honest @Sheenius, it does kind of sound like you're triggered by petros giving his opinion To me, FRA is kind of strange. On the hand it kinda sounds like the guitar is sidechained to the bassdrum, one the other hand it sounds like there‘s just too much bass, or there‘s something wrong with the low frequencies. On speakers that are weak in the lows, the songs actually sounds much better 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Flashback said: To me, FRA is kind of strange. On the hand it kinda sounds like the guitar is sidechained to the bassdrum, one the other hand it sounds like there‘s just too much bass, or there‘s something wrong with the low frequencies. On speakers that are weak in the lows, the songs actually sounds much better 😅 The way people listen to music now is different than before. I would say it's intentional. The bass in FOAM sounds muddy on proper speakers and sound systems but coming through an iphone speaker it's presented much better. Mixes are tough though. It's like trying to define beauty. We're all attracted to something different. Your opinion is affected by the device you use to listen to music as well as tastes. One of the things about self producing is that it's easy to get into your head cause you start to test your songs on all these different devices and each one makes it sound different. You'll go crazy trying to make something that works in all settings 100% especially on a regular person's budget. My rule to combat the obsessive perfectionist inside of me is to create a mix that works for both a quality pair of headphones and studio monitors. I'll occasionally run a test with Sennheiser or Apple ear buds typically to make a final decision for the bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I really like "Father of All...". I think if "Fire, Ready, Aim" hadn't come out I would be much more optimistic about this album. Just such a boring, paint-by-the-numbers song. Green Day can write better in their sleep. It's worse than every Longshot song released, even including the EPs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumFan Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Yup, FOAM was a grower, especially with all the excellent live performances. Not great or perfect, but not as outright lazy as Fire, Ready, Aim... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, DookieLukie said: I really like "Father of All...". I think if "Fire, Ready, Aim" hadn't come out I would be much more optimistic about this album. Just such a boring, paint-by-the-numbers song. Green Day can write better in their sleep. It's worse than every Longshot song released, even including the EPs. They're not really pushing the song though. It's a song for the NHL. I don't believe it's an official single and it's yet to be played live. 8 more songs to go... I thought by now we'd have one more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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