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12 hours ago, Beerjeezus said:

No, not really, I'm saying the opposite. - This isn't a personal beef between Putin and BJA as individuals. This is about a business withdrawing from a country that's being sanctioned. The announcement it exactly where it belongs if the management decides to cite the reason for cancelling. I don't expect the band to make any geopolitical statements on their personal social media. 

I am once again massively confused because is this not what I just said? Yes Russia is being economically sanctioned (in large part to disrupt Putin's ability to finance the war), and as such events such as this are being cancelled. As you said, that is on the management, as such this is an appropriate statement. I am sure the band members have their own feelings about the situation, which I am sure we will hear from them directly, but that is separate from this. What am I missing? This is all giving me a headache and I feel like we all say the same things over and over in circles. The only reason I responded to this is because it is at least somewhat on topic in talking about the cancelled show. 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

5 hours ago, Virginia Lot Lizard said:

They have been playing it safe for a long time. There’s no way the same guy who wrote a letter to a grandmother telling her to fuck off is the same guy in this band. Or the band that took Pansy Division on tour and told a bunch of people to fuck off. He’s at home being boring and sheltered and not doing anything to rock the boat. I’m pleasantly surprised he did the Longshot tour but that’s about it. Ivory Tower and keeping the status quo.

The random thoughts thread talking about the Rev and Fink putting Billie Joe into the fetal position and begging for mercy is incredibly apt.

I love Billie Joe but the past few years are disappointing in several ways. Totally not one to make much of statement or get too uncomfortable. I miss the wild impulsive passionate guy. I still like this guy but… Yeah… Totally a safe player and not too dramatic or passionate anymore.

This tends to happen when you approach 50. 

4 hours ago, Cunt said:

Really?… I would say I’m shocked to read such a classless thing but I’m not. Also Donald Trumps comments on Putin aren’t exactly praise it’s more so recognition in the fact that Putin isn’t an idiot. But then again left wing pop culture conformism believes in everything whether it’s taken out of context or not. Just read the headlines and you have everything thing you need right? As long as it fits the agenda. 

Except Putin is an idiot. There's no genius plot in attacking a country, and in the process isolating your own country politically and economically. People give him way too much credit. Also his military sucks. 

Edit: sorry, just realized I broke the rule so I won't say anything else on this topic. 

 

[michael1989]

C’mon guys. I come to this forum to read about GD. If I want to hear about an international war I can look literally anywhere else, since it’s inescapable now. GD cancelled the show, we all know why, so can we move on and keep any discussion about the war to the appropriate thread. 

[Beerjeezus]

6 hours ago, Lady Mix-A-Lot said:

I am once again massively confused because is this not what I just said? Yes Russia is being economically sanctioned (in large part to disrupt Putin's ability to finance the war), and as such events such as this are being cancelled. As you said, that is on the management, as as such this is an appropriate statement. I am sure the band members have their own feelings about the situation, which I am sure we will hear from them directly, but that is separate from this. What am I missing? This is all giving me a headache and I feel like we all say the same things over and over in circles. The only reason I responded to this is because it is at least somewhat on topic in talking about the cancelled show. 

a) I didn’t say the statement was appropriate, I said this statement was where it would have been appropriate to condemn the war. The exact opposite of what you’ve said.

b) I’m not waiting to hear about the band’s feelings. In the recent weeks and days, lots of feelings of people who clearly thought Ukraine was some kind of fancy soup as recently as three months ago have been shared. Choosing silence when you recognize you might not have a lot to say about something is a valid choice.

[Slave To The Network]

I just don't know what people are wanting the statement to say? We all know they're just as heartbroken and infuriated by this as we are. We know their stance on war and any kind of unjust treatment of humanity. It's quite possible the record label doesn't want them just straight up saying something like "We refuse to play Russia anytime soon because of what Putin has done." It's obvious why this is "not the right time" and saying that there will be a time in the future when it is suitable to return without shitting on Russia as a whole is a sensible way to go. This is definitely not the Russian people's war. It's Vladimir Putin's. Billie has already shared things on his own Instagram that are in support of Ukraine and anti-Putin, so he's making it well known what his personal stance on this is. The official statement from management is of course going to be more toned down. The band members themselves have not lost their passion. Have we seen any promo/interview stuff recently? Have they been able to play shows since everything went to hell? No. That is their go to platform for making a strong statement, if that's what you want to see, and they don't have that at their disposal right now. Just think about what they'd be saying on stage if they could be playing a show right now. I'm sure you'd see that fury come out.

[Guest]

It's like this man can't write anything anymore because it would be wrong no matter what. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Beerjeezus said:

a) I didn’t say the statement was appropriate, I said this statement was where it would have been appropriate to condemn the war. The exact opposite of what you’ve said.

b) I’m not waiting to hear about the band’s feelings. In the recent weeks and days, lots of feelings of people who clearly thought Ukraine was some kind of fancy soup as recently as three months ago have been shared. Choosing silence when you recognize you might not have a lot to say about something is a valid choice.

I am giving up. I don't know what you want me to say at this point, and I am getting tired of the fact that we are all worrying about a rock concert when hundreds of people are dying in Ukraine and thousands are fleeing. I think they should condemn the war, but I do not think a statement from their management to the concert goers is that place since the concert goers are not the ones supporting this war. And I agree that a lot of people need to shut their pie holes and that I do not expect Billie to start giving foreign policy advice, but I do think he will have choice words for Putin in the near future.

13 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

Really don't like their excuse for not going in Russia.

Making statement isn't their best thing in the Armstrong family.

 

13 hours ago, Virginia Lot Lizard said:

They have been playing it safe for a long time. There’s no way the same guy who wrote a letter to a grandmother telling her to fuck off is the same guy in this band. Or the band that took Pansy Division on tour and told a bunch of people to fuck off. He’s at home being boring and sheltered and not doing anything to rock the boat. I’m pleasantly surprised he did the Longshot tour but that’s about it. Ivory Tower and keeping the status quo.

The random thoughts thread talking about the Rev and Fink putting Billie Joe into the fetal position and begging for mercy is incredibly apt.

I love Billie Joe but the past few years are disappointing in several ways. Totally not one to make much of statement or get too uncomfortable. I miss the wild impulsive passionate guy. I still like this guy but… Yeah… Totally a safe player and not too dramatic or passionate anymore.

This isn't Billie's statement though. It is a statement from the band's management addressing the would-be concert goers. I just don't feel it would be appropriate to start berating them about a war that they have nothing to do with and likely do not support. I am sure the band members as individuals will have plenty to say about Putin very soon, just as they have a lot to say about a lot of things. And @Virginia Lot Lizard, you do realize you are talking about the same guy who wrote this song a year ago, right?

 

[Alan86]

This thread  😂

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

6 hours ago, Beerjeezus said:

Choosing silence when you recognize you might not have a lot to say about something is a valid choice.

I agree with this completely. I really don’t understand this obsession with everybody needing to make a public statement on world affairs these days when realistically most celebrities are just doing it for PR reasons anyway. Or because they’re scared of getting canceled, apparently, based on conversations I’m seeing on the forum. It’s like the equivalent of changing your Facebook photo and feeling like you’re “helping.”

Is what happening absolutely horrible? Obviously. Any rational person can see that. I don’t need to see the band members personally post that for my own validation of their opinions. And I’m not going to go posting about it on my own social media because I’ve been ignorant of the situation up until this point and I’m not going to pretend otherwise.

But as Lindsay said above, I really really don’t think we need to belabor this point any further. Unless we’re specifically discussing the decision to not tour in Russia right now, please move the conversation about whether the band is making public statements on the situation into the other thread she referenced. (This paragraph is just directed to the thread as a whole.)

[Virginia Lot Lizard]

4 hours ago, Lady Mix-A-Lot said:

This isn't Billie's statement though. It is a statement from the band's management addressing the would-be concert goers. I just don't feel it would be appropriate to start berating them about a war that they have nothing to do with and likely do not support. I am sure the band members as individuals will have plenty to say about Putin very soon, just as they have a lot to say about a lot of things. And @Virginia Lot Lizard, you do realize you are talking about the same guy who wrote this song a year ago, right?

 

I didn’t say anything about the “statement”. I should have made it clear I was talking about this tour and the band and the man in general over the past couple of years. I didn’t mean to get stuck in this conversation that should be in the other thread.

[pacejunkie punk]

This is how you cancel a show and make a statement 

 

[Clockwise]

They don't need to say shit. Literally the whole Western world is against Russia right now, a radical/punk statement it is not. I appreciate Billie reaching out and learning though. 

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

 

[pouty bitch]

They're not really obligated to say anything more than "we're cancelling the Moscow show", and even if they did say shit it would make literally no difference to anything. It's not really worth whining about lol

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

2 hours ago, Clockwise said:

I appreciate Billie reaching out and learning though. 

That means more than any publicity stunt statement about canceling the show IMO. Doing stuff when you know nobody is looking. 

[Slave To The Network]

3 hours ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

That means more than any publicity stunt statement about canceling the show IMO. Doing stuff when you know nobody is looking. 

100% agreed. He didn't do that for clout. He did it because he's a genuinely good person who wants to learn more and educate himself on important matters such as this. I don't think the person should have even shared that personal message.

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

[jengd]

Surely the point with their statement is exactly what they say, this moment is not about them  - it’s about Ukraine!  There is no need to draw attention to them, they are not the important thing here. I understand how people feel but on reflection I like their statement.

[Joe.]

8 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

This is how you cancel a show and make a statement 

 

He absolutely reeks doesn’t he? Can smell him from here. Sooner he joins 5sos etc in irrelevancy the better.

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with how Green Day have cancelled their show. The only bit of the statement that means anything is that the shows cancelled, everyone knows why. 

[Beerjeezus]

What you all don’t seem to understand is that they used an euphemism so that their press release would come through Russian censorship.

[jengd]

22 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

What you all don’t seem to understand is that they used an euphemism so that their press release would come through Russian censorship.

Of course.  Many of us are fortunate enough to be able to forget, or never know, the realities of a censored press. 

[Beerjeezus]

19 minutes ago, jengd said:

Of course.  Many of us are fortunate enough to be able to forget, or never know, the realities of a censored press. 

Yes, thankfully. Having free media and freedom of speech isn’t to be taken for granted. It’s a lot of luck.  That’s way Crush doing the censor’s job themselves to spare the state-controled media a bit of work is a choice some people in this thread question.

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2 hours ago, Beerjeezus said:

What you all don’t seem to understand is that they used an euphemism so that their press release would come through Russian censorship.

Which actually makes it that much smarter of a move. Would you rather the message not get through at all to those who need to hear it the most, or that the Russian censors change it to what they want it to say?

[Beerjeezus]

4 hours ago, Lady Mix-A-Lot said:

Which actually makes it that much smarter of a move. Would you rather the message not get through at all to those who need to hear it the most, or that the Russian censors change it to what they want it to say?

Yes I would.

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4 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Yes I would.

I would like to try to understand this,  but I fear we will just go in circles and derail the thread again. What would this accomplish? Sometimes you have to work within an oppressive structure to subvert it and destroy it from the inside out (A lot of revolutionary work has been done that; this statement is hardly a revolutionary act LOL, but you get what I mean). Bold overt actions might make people feel good but often just get crushed by the oppressor and have no real impact. As even you have said here, there are a lot of people saying a lot of things right now that sound great but don't make a difference. I would rather Green Day (and everyone) skip that and try to do something that has an impact. This statement may or may not be it, but it might just be better than the platitudes people are throwing around.