Longshot album Love is for Losers

[pacejunkie punk]

1 hour ago, Too Dumb to Die(s) said:

What the heck does "not a rebel for my pride"  mean?   

In fact, what are most of these songs about? 

“I’m not a rebel for my pride” means I’m not overly proud, the same meaning as in the song No Pride.  He’s willing to suffer any indignity or do any stupid thing so turn him loose and watch him make a racket, start a riot, etc:

“I’m going swinging for the foul lines

I’m not a rebel for my pride

Just for the record and the afterlife

I’ll take a beating on a dime.”

I like “Just for the record” and it’s double meaning — “for the record” like he’s making a statement to the press and also “for (the sake of) the record” meaning his music, he’s willing to take a (verbal) beating. And “for the afterlife” is a nice nod to the kind of immortality that making music that outlives you can bring. He’s willing to suffer anything for his music and to create that kind of legacy. 

I could talk about this and Cult Hero all day long I love them so much.

[LaughingClock]

6 hours ago, Too Dumb to Die(s) said:

What the heck does "not a rebel for my pride"  mean?   

In fact, what are most of these songs about? 

The Last Time and Chasing a Ghost are easy to follow.  But the rest - ???????

 

 

Oh really. I’ll break some down later on my interpretation. Not as chunky meaning wise as some of the others but I’ll give you my interpretations later. I’ve read some good ones on here.

5 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

“I’m not a rebel for my pride” means I’m not overly proud, the same meaning as in the song No Pride.  He’s willing to suffer any indignity or do any stupid thing so turn him loose and watch him make a racket, start a riot, etc:

“I’m going swinging for the foul lines

I’m not a rebel for my pride

Just for the record and the afterlife

I’ll take a beating on a dime.”

I like “Just for the record” and it’s double meaning — “for the record” like he’s making a statement to the press and also “for (the sake of) the record” meaning his music, he’s willing to take a (verbal) beating. And “for the afterlife” is a nice nod to the kind of immortality that making music that outlives you can bring. He’s willing to suffer anything for his music and to create that kind of legacy. 

I could talk about this and Cult Hero all day long I love them so much.

I think you’re pretty close but I take it as “I’m not a rebel for my pride” as “The REASON I’m a rebel is not because I’m proud”. 

He’s a rebel for all the stated reasons.  More later. Driving while typing this.

 

[That Dude]

28 minutes ago, LaughingClock said:

Oh really. I’ll break some down later on my interpretation. Not as chunky meaning wise as some of the others but I’ll give you my interpretations later. I’ve read some good ones on here.

I think you’re pretty close but I take it as “I’m not a rebel for my pride” as “The REASON I’m a rebel is not because I’m proud”. 

He’s a rebel for all the stated reasons.  More later. Driving while typing this.

 

I JUST got it, thank you!  I kept taking it as "i'm not a rebel" when in fact, he is saying he IS a rebel, but for other reasons.     We need to get the stories behind the songs from Billie.   

 

[LaughingClock]

1 hour ago, Too Dumb to Die(s) said:

I JUST got it, thank you!  I kept taking it as "i'm not a rebel" when in fact, he is saying he IS a rebel, but for other reasons.     We need to get the stories behind the songs from Billie.   

 

That’s just it. Billie is brilliant at that type of pros where the meaning can be taken around in a circular fashion. I feel like I say a lot of the same stuff around here but it’s always him. He’s a fucking lyrical genius and only the initiated realize it and the uninitiated are haters and wonder why I love Green Day and Billies writing so much.

History will look back at Billie Joe Armstrong as one of the great lyricists of the century up with Lennon and McCartney.

Speaking of which, all the people that think Billie is trying to hide his voice or something with filters should listen to some old John Lennon and McCartney tracks and of course The Beatles were famous for vocal filters and they pretty much invented analogue compression. And maybe it was just one person but it irked me.

Have a listen and if you want to have some real fun, they didn’t have phasers and digital reverb and echoes, Sir George Martin was a fucking genius. Google some of the methods he used to get his desired effects. Shit like tea bags on drums. The Benefit of Mr. Kite was like 4 overdubs right on top of each other with nano second spaces which was what gave Lennon the voice you know. I’m tellin ya google about their methods. It’s faacinating.

This is the song that I actually had my estate lawyer but in my will a request to have this song played at my funeral. If you are listening to this on a phone, an iPhone anyway it will play mono and you will barely hear the vocals because there was a bit where they sent the vocals to one side only to fake dynamic range to make up for the compression. There are other theories but they are the only major band that did that for a whole album.

Although the version from “Love” is the version I want. It’s not on YT but it’s basically this version.

 

The old rule. If it’s good for the best band of all time, it’s okay for anyone.

[TimmyChunks]

1 hour ago, LaughingClock said:

That’s just it. Billie is brilliant at that type of pros where the meaning can be taken around in a circular fashion. I feel like I say a lot of the same stuff around here but it’s always him. He’s a fucking lyrical genius and only the initiated realize it and the uninitiated are haters and wonder why I love Green Day and Billies writing so much.

History will look back at Billie Joe Armstrong as one of the great lyricists of the century up with Lennon and McCartney.

Speaking of which, all the people that think Billie is trying to hide his voice or something with filters should listen to some old John Lennon and McCartney tracks and of course The Beatles were famous for vocal filters and they pretty much invented analogue compression. And maybe it was just one person but it irked me.

Have a listen and if you want to have some real fun, they didn’t have phasers and digital reverb and echoes, Sir George Martin was a fucking genius. Google some of the methods he used to get his desired effects. Shit like tea bags on drums. The Benefit of Mr. Kite was like 4 overdubs right on top of each other with nano second spaces which was what gave Lennon the voice you know. I’m tellin ya google about their methods. It’s faacinating

This is the song that I actually had my estate lawyer but in my will a request to have this song played at my funeral. If you are listening to this on a phone, an iPhone anyway it will play mono and you will barely hear the vocals because there was a bit where they sent the vocals to one side only to fake dynamic range to make up for the compression. There are other theories but they are the only major band that did that for a whole album.

Although the version from “Love” is the version I want. It’s not on YT but it’s basically this version.

 

The old rule. If it’s good for the best band of all time, it’s okay for anyone.

Incredibly insightful and thought provoking as always. The Beatles were clearly innovators. On the topic of filters, etc- I wonder what others think about Pink Floyd and Zeppelin and their use of technology as well vs. the recording techniques here? Do people rip on Floyd for embracing the tech available at the time? We've seen a lot of vocal filter discussion on this page- Dark Side of the Moon was a masterpiece of course, but we all know that it wasn't exactly a four track/ garage session. That album broke new ground with respect to recording and mastering tech.

[LaughingClock]

18 hours ago, TimmyChunks said:

Incredibly insightful and thought provoking as always. The Beatles were clearly innovators. On the topic of filters, etc- I wonder what others think about Pink Floyd and Zeppelin and their use of technology as well vs. the recording techniques here? Do people rip on Floyd for embracing the tech available at the time? We've seen a lot of vocal filter discussion on this page- Dark Side of the Moon was a masterpiece of course, but we all know that it wasn't exactly a four track/ garage session. That album broke new ground with respect to recording and mastering tech.

Thanks to a man named Alan Parsons! Listen to some of his music even. He is a fucking genius engineer. In fact I would call him the greatest engineer since music making with an audio mix began. He was the head engineer for DSOTM and producer.

You should watch the “Classic Albums / Pink Floyd / Dark Side of the Moon” episode. It’s fucking amazing how they did some of the shit they did on DSOTM which is in my opinion the absolute, without a doubt greatest full album from track to track of all time. It’s a seamless arc with a rousing yet calm center with a happy and fulfilling creshendo of an ending. I almost want to orgasm when “All that you love and all that you...” finale is just perfection.

Beginning of Darkside where you can here some of those interviews and musical experimentation. (Unless you’re listening with quality cans, you won’t hear a sound until about :50

And against the finale: (everything between is pure musical magic that could tame the most savage beast).!

“There’s someone in my head but it’s not me” -possibly one of the greatest lyrical phrase ever written. On “Brain Damage” they interviwed several “nobody” people like the janitor at the studio for one and it’s his voice that you hear and a couple others sounding like sort of crazy but just answering the same three questions about passionate issues and that’s what that speaking is on Brain Damage.  

The girl who is screaming on “Great Gig in the Sky”. When she was done she cried because she was embarrassed. The note Parsons gave to her was “I want you to sound scared and confused and beautiful at the end” (not verbatim, paraphrased) and that woman who sings the best female solo of all time was crying while they were all stunned with joy knowing they just captured lighting in a bottle. Edit: thank you. Have been listening to this album with cans on (best way) while typing and I forgot you can hear those voices all over the album including this one where the janitor from the studio is responding to one of the three questions “Are you afraid of dying?”. Thank you for reminding me to listen to this album. I haven’t in a while. It’s almost mediation for me. I fucking just love it. It is the best album of all time, bar none, IMHO.

Some people put them in with the likes of Prog Rock genre but not me. I think of them more like Kraftwerk in Germany who began what would eventually become electro and disco and all forms of electronic music today. Damn this post is getting too long and I’m gassed. You just keep hitting on things I feel passionate about.

Check our Kraftwerk in 1969 with this live thing. What would you call this? It’s Germany and that’s where disco came from Giorgio Morado. This seems like and some say is the first electronic underground party scene. It fascinates me. 

About 4 years later they were the new sound that eventually became everything that is electronic. This is the original electro which lead to trance, Jungle, Hip Hop etc and they are using the exact same tools that Floyd were using which lead to the 60s and 70s etherial rock that turned into things like Queen and Bowie (Ziggy Stardust). The 70s don’t get the credit it should for the music it lead to. People hear 70s and just think disco but bands like Kraftwerk and Floyd were also huge and creating a new sound. Take this next Kraftwerk sound that if any of you (and I know a majority havnent) have been to a dance club you would recognize this anthem as “Planet Rock” by Afrika Bambatta but as you can see, it started here. Same band as above a few years later. The original recording of Trans Europe Express.  They have remastered it and recorded an English version but this was the original. I saw these guys at The Hollywood Bowl last fucking year and it was amazing!

Planet Rock - Afrika Bambatta

Now I love this song and always have but when I first heard TEE from Kraftwerk, it was a seminal moment in my understanding of legacy music and how all musicians stand on the shoulders of the bands that influenced them. Obviously Billie was a Beatles fan. That was obvious even when they were hardcore but now he’s paying homage and is comfortable with everything, finally and now he’s just like fuck it. Without further ado, Planet Rock for comparison to TEE.

Check out Roger Waters (lead vocal/bassist for Floyd and generally considered the leader) playing with a sequencer. Straight early electro and sound tests that made their way to DSOTM with spinning analogue synth then the bell before “Time”.

I mean Floyd was using a friggen sequencer in the 60s with bands like Kraftwerk. Im talking post Syd Barret Floyd. You should read the book “Saucer Full of Secrets” which is a book about the degradation of Syd Barret by all the drugs and hullicinigens he’s done. So many of their songs are about him.

The Wall was based on Roger Waters childhood and loss of his father in WWII and also Syd’s fall.

“Shine on you Crazy Diamond” was written completely about him and  famously he crashed their studio session all fucked up while they were recording that song. If you ask some 60s hippe, not even the Waters/Gilmour version of Floyd is truly Floyd while the rest of the world were hating on Gilmour for touring with Floyd. I wasn’t bothered. Here is the song as described below above Syd from Roger. No lyrics until about 8:30 but some animation depicting Syds fall into drug induced insanity beginning from his childhood, literal birth until Roger singing to shine on. Anyway, amazing animation in its day and also was atheistic for the Alan Parker musical The Wall which also has Gandalf playing the character “Pink” in the amazing trippy as fuck, The Wall Film. Just realized they have that in common with GD. Thank God Billie fixed himself before he became a product like Syd. These are two from The Wall. Roger Water’s father died in WWII as evidenced here.

Vera Lynn was a famous singer in Britain and she wrote a song, I think called “Bring the Boys Back Home” and this was the boy who had a dead father soldier and it’s fucking heart breaking. It lets me forgive Roger Waters for all the crazy shit he’s been saying nowadays.

Fuck me. I just keep editing this book. It has become a personal musical journal that I’m enjoying but I’ll still send it knowing I’ll be amazed if even one person reads this. Ha.

A combination of Syd’s dive to insanity that was believed to be partly caused by the mixture of fame, money and drugs and coupled with a nazi feel but also a rock band. The fame and adulation got to him. The double entendres. I am realizing a pattern in my tastes with these posts. Edit: after watching “The Show Must Go On”, tell me the red and blacks, with all the symbolism in the arm bands and shit isn’t VERY similar to the colors and feel of AI. I never even realized that. The banners?! Cray. This whole fucking bonkers post was worth it for this realization.

In Saucer Full of Secrets (the book), they talk about how Syd went so loonie that he chained and locked up his girlfriend feeding her almost nothing but like bread and water to cleans her or some shit for like 3 days. This was the thing, and him not showing up to gigs and shit that they fired from the band he founded. 

“Wish You Were Here” was also a song from Rogers (they started the band together) to Syd. A love letter as Roger Gilmour was now the lead guitarist and a fucking AMAZING one by the way. One of the best living guiatrists. He was missing Syd and that’s what Wish You Were Here was about. Live one for a small taste of their production and this was early 90s Floyd and not touring with Roger. Crowds still came and they filled stadiums in every state and country in the civilized world. Roger plays venues like The Bowl. Both shows are amazing as fuck. They quadraphonic speakers around the entire stadiums on this tour (Division Bell) and they would have sounds fly around all the stadiums and it was so trippy. I’ve never seen sound like those shows ever or since. I was an inspired kid when I saw this shit and they really show nothing in this song.

Nothing more fun in life than being at a Floyd show from them, Waters or Gilmour version of Floyd (Division Bell Tour) and album but nothing more fun than being at one of their shows on acid. I’m done with hullicinigens but as a young kid, it was at these shows that I had the desire for production and lighting and music was born out of Floyd music and live shows.

What IN THE FUCK was I talking about? I know I always say this but it’s true. I find myself wondering “what’s my point here” becuse by the time I’m here, I forget what I was talking about. Ha.

Anywho... yeah, there have been musical sound experimentation since there was electricity. Music has always existed but electricity changed it and made music, the best thing in the world, better.  Ever seen someone rocking a theramin? 

Stone posting.. :-X

Some of the doc I was speaking of: I know it’s an hour and a half so don’t know whether this is cut or just part but it was what I saw at a glance. Although I’ve just learned this shit over the years but this documentary which has all of them separately when Roger and David weren’t speaking, they shot sepetste interviews but so insightful. Watch this if you have the time. Go on iTunes and watch the whole thing. I promise you’ll love it! I guess my thesis here was just agreement. Floyd was doing shit so ahead of their time that they were on a different plane of existence. Edit: this is a different doc than the one I thought it was (the one you should see) but this is good shit. Has a lot of talk about how they used the first sequencers. Gilmour is just pure music. Listen to how they used the sequencer to create “Speak To Me”. The spinning bit at the beginning before the bell.

Everyone can TLDR and watch TLDRAW  and id understand. This was a doozie even for me. 

Also, this has to be beyond off topic. I honestly don’t even know what thread I’m in. I just respond and forget that the mods get upset about being on topic. I apologize for that.  I must admit this is embarrassingly long. I would think whoever wrote this is a crazy fuck. Ah shit.

[jengd]

@LaughingClock Ok, you got me, I do think you probably are batshit crazy at times but I totally agree with you a scary amount of the time lol!  DSOTM is beyond description for me although I don't feel anything like the same for Pink Floyd's other stuff, no matter, it probably needs some sort of analysis because my older brother introduced me to it etc etc.  

I agree with you also about BJA's lyrics. I think one of GD's strengths is that his lyrics are so open to interpretation (sorry, I am sure I have said this before on here) because his use of language is so clever and that helps people relate in their many different ways.  I wait for every new release to hear what he's dropped on us this time.  I think Tre also had a great point when he said if you just listen to the overall sound, you take almost every track of theirs as being upbeat, happy, etc but listen to the lyrics and you think woah, that's what he's taking about???!!!!  I also think there are some people who get a shock when they really pay attention  to Billie Joe's lyrics and struggle to accept/understand them and or tie them in to the music.  I think he's done it again with some of the songs on LISFL.  There has been a lot of talk about them on here which is great, some of which I agree with and some not but as I say, I think it is part of his genius that he deliberately writes like that, and it must be deliberate.  I also love how he often uses a phrase, which taken literally means nothing.  I know folk complain that it's bad grammar but he totally conveys the meaning, one of my personal favourites is in Christian's Inferno, "toxin your reservoir" you clearly know he means toxins in  your reservoir but doesn't have time to fit that in, he is writing songs, not prose!  I also agree and hope that one of these days critics etc will catch on to the quality of his lyrics.  I noticed in some of the reviews of LISL a number of reviewers appear to be catching on to how prolific he is so maybe they are beginning to see past his three minutes rages 

[LaughingClock]

@jengd I agree with you on most everything you wrote and I don’t love the other Floyd stuff as much as DSOTM but I do love it for its artistry and experimentation which was the original point of the response. I am bringing my daughter to school so I have to run or id give more of a reaction. Although if you like Dark Side, go listen to “Meddle”, it’s the same type of Floyd. Listen to the song “echoes”. It’s the album that lead into DSOTM.

I will say that while I’m afraid people won’t read my REDICULOUSLY long post and although I’m still off topic (sort of), and mods I will not be offended if you guys want to delete that post, I just can’t get myself to do it. 

The most amazing thing to me that I figured out only while posting is how much the Nazi looking scenes when the character “Pink” goes crazy from fame and money and the depiction of WWII, how those scenes look like American Idiot.

Does this not from the black & red, banners, and arm bands and even the symbols look like AI took from Floyd (and well the Nazis) as look at this guys that didn’t read my above and I don’t blame you.

 

[jengd]

1 hour ago, LaughingClock said:The most amazing thing to me that I figured out only while posting is how much the Nazi looking scenes when the character “Pink” goes crazy from fame and money and the depiction of WWII, how those scenes look like American Idiot.

 

Does this not from the black & red, banners, and arm bands and even the symbols look like AI took from Floyd (and well the Nazis) as look at this guys that didn’t read my above and I don’t blame you.

 

 Have no idea why that’s gone bold, it’s not meant to mean anything lol.

yes, totally agree but remember the Nazis borrowed a load of stuff and for our generations, any kind of militarism is going to look like Nazism.  

[Hermione]

@LaughingClock if you know a post is off topic you can always not post it or amend it instead of just posting it anyway. Also if you're going to include 14 videos in one post (or more than say 2 or 3) can you spoiler most of them please? Thanks.

[LaughingClock]

3 hours ago, Hermione said:

@LaughingClock if you know a post is off topic you can always not post it or amend it instead of just posting it anyway. Also if you're going to include 14 videos in one post (or more than say 2 or 3) can you spoiler most of them please? Thanks.

Ummm, do what now? (spoilers?)

As for the off topic, yeah sorry, just didn't think it was like I was talking about baking cupcakes off topic.  It was a natural progression but noted.  I have a rabid case of ADD and sometimes my on topic subjects veer off topic late at night when I'm tired and a little not sober and they go wild. I felt an acknowledgement of it would be enough to settle the few people who get upset about such silly things. I understand the idea of keeping it tight and on subject but again, I wouldn't have posted it if I thought it was an egregious offense.  

1. We were talking about The Longshot

2. In the thread the conversation arose (on topic) of vocal filters.

3. I made a couple small posts about filters being the norm in music since before Billie was even born and it's not a bad thing and I used examples to show it.

I don't think that that is so off topic it deserves anything more than me saying at the end, okay, now back on topic. I guess I shouldn't have said anything because I don't feel it was that off topic but I was trying to settle the fire before anyone burned themselves on off topic frustration.  Its sort of out of control.  Your guys' rules and I do my best to try and follow them but I'm gonna post how I post until you ban me permanently.  That said I will keep it in mind to stay on topic but everything I said in this post went through my mind when I decided to post.  

And wait, you counted the vids? Damn, okay if you're counting them, I'll lay off the vids.  I like to show the kids some history and maybe turn some people on to things they might not otherwise be turned on to until later in life.

EDIT: Just went to add the spoilers to the vids but I hit the "BB" button like I googled but I don't see how to add it.

EDIT 2: Well i just manually entered a couple spoiler tags and it did spoilered the whole thing so all good even though I just meant to do the videos.  Poor people when they get excited and click on that.

[Christian's Inferno!]

10 minutes ago, LaughingClock said:

Ummm, do what now? (spoilers?)
 

Spoilers allow you to hide videos or long text so they don't take up as much space

Spoiler

Like this

 

[LaughingClock]

6 hours ago, jengd said:

 Have no idea why that’s gone bold, it’s not meant to mean anything lol.

yes, totally agree but remember the Nazis borrowed a load of stuff and for our generations, any kind of militarism is going to look like Nazism.  

I didn't think anything more of it being interesting how similar it was.  I never really thought of GD borrowing the look from Nazi rallies and the like but after watching that video which I've seen million times but not in ages since I put it in that post that I bolded it because it was on topic-ish and also because I thought it was hella interesting.

You really don't think THIS is interesting?

BIAB: (just pics herms)

The Show Must Go On (Floyd)

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Was just pointing out the similar visuals from color to branding and really its showing naziism.

Actual NAZIS:

In my mind, anyone that doesn't think this is hella cool, is different thinker than I.  Anyhow, thats all I was saying.  I could post more to show the similarities and there are a lot more but I don't want to get in trouble.

[Beerjeezus]

Yes, the inspiration is there - could be more common than you may think. It's not just Floyd visuals or BIAB but also Rammstein, Leibach and a ton of other bands.

But yes, I totally see it in Green Day's visuals. Not just the flags and the color scheme, but also stuff like the armband Billie used to wear and there's a literal sieg heil in holiday lol

[LaughingClock]

22 hours ago, Too Dumb to Die(s) said:

I JUST got it, thank you!  I kept taking it as "i'm not a rebel" when in fact, he is saying he IS a rebel, but for other reasons.     We need to get the stories behind the songs from Billie.   

 

I try!  That one has me a little but I think he is just saying that he is not just being a rebel for selfish reasons.  He is a rebel because the world needs rebellion.  He just can't make a record without some political references anymore I think.  Way to be open minded about it.  I am not saying I'm right, that's just what I think from our tricky little friend.

30 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said:

Yes, the inspiration is there - could be more common than you may think. It's not just Floyd visuals or BIAB but also Rammstein, Leibach and a ton of other bands.

But yes, I totally see it in Green Day's visuals. Not just the flags and the color scheme, but also stuff like the armband Billie used to wear and there's a literal sieg heil in holiday lol

Exactly.  That's what I said in my post.  For sure, tons of bands for good or bad (in GD's case and Floyd's for that matter) for good use Nazi visuals, including all the stuff I said, and you just said but for whatever reason, amazingly I just never saw it.  It's pretty fucking obvious too and I've been looking at it for over a decade.  

It makes sense though.  With Floyd, it's obvious and theatrical in the nazism with even the crowd movements and shit, but the other reality is Billie does the same but his is a little more fun than an crossed X stance.  Ugh,  I fucking hate Rammstein.  Just thinking of their industrial pumping crap with ugly voices and riffs makes me want to punch myself in the balls.  I would like their production if they removed their guitar, all lyrics and just left the drum and bass.

[TimmyChunks]

5 hours ago, LaughingClock said:

Ummm, do what now? (spoilers?)

As for the off topic, yeah sorry, just didn't think it was like I was talking about baking cupcakes off topic.  It was a natural progression but noted.  I have a rabid case of ADD and sometimes my on topic subjects veer off topic late at night when I'm tired and a little not sober and they go wild. I felt an acknowledgement of it would be enough to settle the few people who get upset about such silly things. I understand the idea of keeping it tight and on subject but again, I wouldn't have posted it if I thought it was an egregious offense.  

1. We were talking about The Longshot

2. In the thread the conversation arose (on topic) of vocal filters.

3. I made a couple small posts about filters being the norm in music since before Billie was even born and it's not a bad thing and I used examples to show it.

I don't think that that is so off topic it deserves anything more than me saying at the end, okay, now back on topic. I guess I shouldn't have said anything because I don't feel it was that off topic but I was trying to settle the fire before anyone burned themselves on off topic frustration.  Its sort of out of control.  Your guys' rules and I do my best to try and follow them but I'm gonna post how I post until you ban me permanently.  That said I will keep it in mind to stay on topic but everything I said in this post went through my mind when I decided to post.  

And wait, you counted the vids? Damn, okay if you're counting them, I'll lay off the vids.  I like to show the kids some history and maybe turn some people on to things they might not otherwise be turned on to until later in life.

EDIT: Just went to add the spoilers to the vids but I hit the "BB" button like I googled but I don't see how to add it.

EDIT 2: Well i just manually entered a couple spoiler tags and it did spoilered the whole thing so all good even though I just meant to do the videos.  Poor people when they get excited and click on that.

Hermione, I seriously love you as you're the most engaged, thoughtful, and pleasant moderator on here. And thanks for volunteering so much of your time to do so! Seriously- it doesn't go unappreciated. However, with that context, I also don't want to see LaughingClock condense parts of his posts into "teasers"- his posts are a great lesson/ education on music history and they always seem to be on point and within the topic of discussion. Sure, this discussion is somewhat tangential as we started to discuss sound and recording techniques, but it was relevant as it was related to Longshot's engineering and sound. I personally find it fascinating and it's a big reason why I keep coming back. This type of layered, complex analysis definitely deserves a place and I don't know how it would branch out into it's own thread (unless it was its own separate and off-putting topic of "People Who Know a Ton of Shit About Music Discussing Longshot").

I'm probably missing some of the challenges you deal with every day (video media slowing down threads for some folks, perhaps)? If that's the case, I get it. I just want to see LaughingClock at his unleashed best- it's good stuff!

[LaughingClock]

On 4/30/2018 at 8:03 PM, TimmyChunks said:

Hermione, I seriously love you as you're the most engaged, thoughtful, and pleasant moderator on here. And thanks for volunteering so much of your time to do so! Seriously- it doesn't go unappreciated. However, with that context, I also don't want to see LaughingClock condense parts of his posts into "teasers"- his posts are a great lesson/ education on music history and they always seem to be on point and within the topic of discussion. Sure, this discussion is somewhat tangential as we started to discuss sound and recording techniques, but it was relevant as it was related to Longshot's engineering and sound. I personally find it fascinating and it's a big reason why I keep coming back. This type of layered, complex analysis definitely deserves a place and I don't know how it would branch out into it's own thread (unless it was its own separate and off-putting topic of "People Who Know a Ton of Shit About Music Discussing Longshot").

I'm probably missing some of the challenges you deal with every day (video media slowing down threads for some folks, perhaps)? If that's the case, I get it. I just want to see LaughingClock at his unleashed best- it's good stuff!

Man, I just don’t have words for that kindness. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

So eluquant and kind to everyone and intelligent.

Herm, I agree with him that you are amazing and I do indeed appreciate you as well. I hope that shows with my responses to you. I’m a straight shooter so if it sounds like I’m being an asshole. It’s not because I’m trying to be an asshole to you, I’m just an asshole. (That was way too many assholes).

Thanks to both of you and by the way, to bring it back on topic, I just while I’m typing FELL IN LOVE with Turn Me Loose. I don’t know why or how this happens with Billie/GD songs but all of a sudden one song will just become my favorite in one listen. The chorus progression is worth the price of admission for the whole album.

I also am fighting with my wife and “turn me loose but don’t call me a loser” is ringing so loudly.

The melody of this song is just pure beauty. I just figured out why I love this album so much.

This is the first album where Billie HAD ZERO reservations of making music that he loves and not worrying about anything, not the scene, the haters, and the world needs happy and this album is just happy sounding and lyrically sometimes. Sort of a strange thing considering the name. Even the melocholy songs like saying “say goodbye to romance” (isn’t this the Ozzy song?} is such a somehow beautiful line in its sadness. It’s weird. There is hope in every song. I am really starting to love this album too much.

There are just songs on here that I am so glad get to meet us because I would have hated not to. I decided that I officially like BJA more than John Lennon and McCartney as a lyricist. (I reserve the right to change my mind ) I think I’ve thought that for a while but I couldn’t get myself to admit it but it’s true. Therefore he is the greatest lyricist of all time, contemporary time at least. IMHO anyway. 

I just love him. 

[LaughingClock]

Oh fuck. I love this album too much at this moment. I’m listening stoned with cans on and every song is just making my whole body feel good. This is definitely a chill album but it might be Billies best in many many years. He is hitting on every cylinder. 

I think I have a boner thinking of the music he is going to have for Green Day if this is the side project for fucks sake!

Classic album this for sure.

Oh and I forgot did you guys notice The Last Time is The Marvelettes “Mr. Postman”?  Right after the "I won't to hold your hand" riff that opens it. So an homage to The Beatles at the beginning and one to The Marvelettes at the end of just one song (well it’s postman throughout and purposefully btw). This is definitely good car music. I wasn’t ready for the songs on my first show. I’m stoked as hell for this one. I got sick last week.  but I’m thinking I need to book some flights. Damnit.   Was this already figured out. I'm sure.  "Ohh mr.postman" sounds like "The last time, Thr last time" same lyrical beats and an almost exact chord progression of it.

They even pay homage to Green Day with the Holiday beat. Too awesome. I just am a sucker and lover of the melodic 50s and 60s progressions make me just feel good.Turn me Loose is just a great song. So pretty.

You know what else. We keep saying how just blaze this album is but there is some real heavy shit on "Chasing a Ghost",  I mean Billie makes himself petty vulnerable in most of his writing but I don't think ever as vulnerable as that song.

Maybe he's trying to hide it in the shadows of The Longshot because as a former drug addict myself I can say to admit you still think about it sometimes takes balls. I don't even admit it to myself but I do, often and it's a great song. 

 

[Hermione]

@LaughingClock @TimmyChunks The same rules apply to everyone, conversations can go a bit off topic sometimes but if you realise it's gone pretty far off topic (eg a massively long post about other music artists with no mention of Green Day) that's when you curb it. You kind of did, but I just want to make clear that acknowledging your posts are off topic doesn't mean you can continue them, for future reference. People click on this thread to read about The Longshot album so the aim is to keep it about that.

Spoilering large numbers of videos is just considerate for people having to scroll a long way just for one post, plus waiting for them to load.

[LaughingClock]

33 minutes ago, Hermione said:

@LaughingClock @TimmyChunks The same rules apply to everyone, conversations can go a bit off topic sometimes but if you realise it's gone pretty far off topic (eg a massively long post about other music artists with no mention of Green Day) that's when you curb it. You kind of did, but I just want to make clear that acknowledging your posts are off topic doesn't mean you can continue them, for future reference. People click on this thread to read about The Longshot album so the aim is to keep it about that.

Spoilering large numbers of videos is just considerate for people having to scroll a long way just for one post, plus waiting for them to load.

Copy. I think Timmy made a pretty good point that we were indeed on topic and why stifle complex conversation for the purpose of order? If just seems odd to me. I don't think we were off topic at all. In fact I'd say we were more on topic than just rambling on about how we love it which we do but what's wrong with discussing the things that come even if they mention other bands? And how can you say I don't mention Billie or longshot when I definitely do. It's a conversation with depth and why would we want to have that at a forum that discusses art? Lol. Seriously?

I mean with all respect I was just about to say okay but as I'm thinking this is just you being too tight on the rules. 

At least address our points and call us wrong.

Anyway and since this album is so a throwback to the bands we are talking about how is it off topic. Billie likes paying homage to his idols like Mercury, Beatles, Everly Brothers, he loves 50s and 60s music and always has and with this album he finally made one and it's so fucking good. This listen just is delicious.

Engage.  

Actually I mean "yes, copy that"!

Ugh, I really do love you but you hate me so much. Lol.

[Hermione]

2 hours ago, LaughingClock said:

 

I'm literally just trying to make sure the thread stays on topic (rather than drifting further into discussion of other bands) and letting you know about the videos thing, nothing complex or personal about it.

Now this discussion is more off topic than anything so if you want to discuss further PM me (although I don't think there's much reason to )

[LaughingClock]

Chasing The Ghost:

So if you see him
Tell him that I said hello
I miss the times we spent
And now I'm gonna go
She was my last hoorah
And always got me stoned
Thanks for the sympathy
And the punch in the nose

 

”Him” = St. Jimmy

“She” = Lady Cobra

Any doubters? Did we discuss this?

Soul Surrender

Sweet soul surrender
Sweet old suicide
She's my sole defender
Don't be so uptight

I hate liner notes and lyrics on Apple Music. I always thought the lyric was “sole” defender (as in only defender) because the lyric tricks you because we were just saying Soul Surrender and so it’s tricky again but it also audibly sounds like “soul defender” and the discussion about it is part of the fun of Billie but this word happens to be spelled different soul and sole so it takes the guess work out. Saw the lyrics down there and couldn’t help myself.  At least I was right.  Lyric books demystify and we wouldn’t have the hysterical misheard ones.

[BrendanL]

1 hour ago, LaughingClock said:

Chasing The Ghost:

So if you see him
Tell him that I said hello
I miss the times we spent
And now I'm gonna go
She was my last hoorah
And always got me stoned
Thanks for the sympathy
And the punch in the nose

 

”Him” = St. Jimmy

“She” = Lady Cobra

Any doubters? Did we discuss this?

 

I'm actually hearing:

"So if you see her tell her that I said hello"

I think this makes more sense in context with the following "she was my last hoorah and always got me stoned" line and you can hear Billie Joe sing "her" clearly in the live versions of the song. Check out @Admiral_Needa video of the Oakland gig for reference:

 

I always enjoy your insight and lyrical analyses, so what do you make of this subtle change?

[Beerjeezus]

I think it makes sense that the she he's referencing is the one from the trilogy (whoever it is) and if there's a he, it's his own past self.

[j3sus0fsuburbia]

Suddenly Jimmy enters the convo and suddenly ya'll are putting Green Day Lore together. 

 

I love you guys so much.