pacejunkie punk Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Personally I think it sounds like nearly all the other songs on the Trilogy — like he’s at a party/club is crushing hard on someone and is trying to fight his worst impulses going on in his head. He may have got the title from a school bus but that’s it. Maybe he just liked how it sounded, it made him think of other things so he took it to a whole nother place like he does every other time he refers to the line. But I don’t want to argue about it. Everyone has their own interpretation of songs and short of a quote from Billie confirming what the song is about we just don’t know for sure. Not sure it matters. For example, I have my own personal interpretation of Restless Heart Syndrome where the drugs are just a metaphor, making the song really meaningful to me even though I know it means something different to him. And that’s a song he’s talked about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 16 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: Personally I think it sounds like nearly all the other songs on the Trilogy — like he’s at a party/club is crushing hard on someone and is trying to fight his worst impulses going on in his head. He may have got the title from a school bus but that’s it. Maybe he just liked how it sounded, it made him think of other things so he took it to a whole nother place like he does every other time he refers to the line. But I don’t want to argue about it. Everyone has their own interpretation of songs and short of a quote from Billie confirming what the song is about we just don’t know for sure. Not sure it matters. For example, I have my own personal interpretation of Restless Heart Syndrome where the drugs are just a metaphor, making the song really meaningful to me even though I know it means something different to him. And that’s a song he’s talked about. "Dirtier than Fuck Time" - Billie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Hermione said: "Dirtier than Fuck Time" - Billie If it was about anything else it wouldn’t be on Dos. That whole album is about temptation, drugs, alcohol and lust. There’s also a reason it follows Fuck Time. FT may have some mild kinky stuff, but the stuff he’s thinking of in SWTRLF is flat out BDSM (blood for dirty cash, make you surrender, etc.). It’s Blood,Sex and Booze part two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatsername Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 46 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: If it was about anything else it wouldn’t be on Dos. That whole album is about temptation, drugs, alcohol and lust. Yeah, and that's why Lazy Bones should have never been on Dos, it feels so out of place. It still bugs me that it's not on Tré. But I think we've discussed this over and over in the trilogy discussion thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, Thatsername said: Yeah, and that's why Lazy Bones should have never been on Dos, it feels so out of place. It still bugs me that it's not on Tré. But I think we've discussed this over and over in the trilogy discussion thread. Maybe, but then it may not be about the hangover like Tre. In LB, the narrator is still knee deep in the party, is strung out on drugs, all keyed up and can’t sleep. It’s more of an all out bender than redemption or aftermath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Yeah...It's about sex and by the sounds of it prostitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Thatsername said: Yeah, and that's why Lazy Bones should have never been on Dos, it feels so out of place. It still bugs me that it's not on Tré. But I think we've discussed this over and over in the trilogy discussion thread. I don't mind Lazy Bones on there because I think it fits in with the darker side of the partying and lust etc, it's like, showing you more of his mindset while he's doing it. 1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said: Maybe, but then it may not be about the hangover like Tre. In LB, the narrator is still knee deep in the party, is strung out on drugs, all keyed up and can’t sleep. It’s more of an all out bender than redemption or aftermath. Or to put it better this! 52 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: Yeah...It's about sex and by the sounds of it prostitution. Yeah there's definitely an allusion to prostitution with "red lights", especially with that artwork to spell it out. Although it could be a looser reference just to bring to mind picking someone up for sex and general sleaziness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Joes Eyelids Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hmmm. I always thought it was about sex. But I just went back & studied the lyrics & @LaughingClock explanation really fits. I’m confused now. On the other hand, Billie did say it was dirty and Dos is about sex. But Billie could have been talking about dirty in terms of morally reprehensible, and he could have just stuck one political song on Dos with an ambiguous meaning. I’m a lot of help aren’t I? A couple of thoughts on the lyrics. If it’s sexual, how does “I’ll make you surrender” fit when, it he’s trying to resist temptation, it’s really the other way around. I can see that line as far as the NRA and our national paralysis with gun control. On the other hand, “Life in the catacombs, you make me feel like home”, sounds more like someone escaping his normal life to be with a mistress or prostitute. Thoughts on these particular lyrics, either way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, neverdone2000 said: “Life in the catacombs, you make me feel like home”, sounds more like someone escaping his normal life to be with a mistress or prostitute. Thoughts on these particular lyrics, either way? I think it's that. Also I always hear it as "you make me feel like I'm not old" and I wish it was that because I prefer it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said: Hmmm. I always thought it was about sex. But I just went back & studied the lyrics & @LaughingClock explanation really fits. I’m confused now. On the other hand, Billie did say it was dirty and Dos is about sex. But Billie could have been talking about dirty in terms of morally reprehensible, and he could have just stuck one political song on Dos with an ambiguous meaning. I’m a lot of help aren’t I? A couple of thoughts on the lyrics. If it’s sexual, how does “I’ll make you surrender” fit when, it he’s trying to resist temptation, it’s really the other way around. I can see that line as far as the NRA and our national paralysis with gun control. On the other hand, “Life in the catacombs, you make me feel like home”, sounds more like someone escaping his normal life to be with a mistress or prostitute. Thoughts on these particular lyrics, either way? Sounds like BDSM to me: “I’ll make you surrender” is like a domination phrase. The song is dirtier than Fuck Time because it’s kinky sex with a stranger (for money or otherwise) not with someone you love. I just don’t see him using the word dirty to describe a school shooting when yes it’s obscene but in a totally different way. The way the songs speak to each other on an album is something that’s very important to him and I can’t see a song about school shootings being in the midst of songs about partying and sex. At the very least it would have been on Tre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Joes Eyelids Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Sounds like BDSM to me: “I’ll make you surrender” is like a domination phrase. C’mon now, everybody know Billie likes to be the sub 🤕😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I interpret "I'll make you surrender" more as both parties have doubts about whether they should be doing it or not, they're both trying to fight temptation and he's encouraging her - saying "I will be so desirable you'll want me". Assuming it's the same girl in all of the songs, he addresses her reluctance in Angel Blue and Oh Love too, saying "won't you be my bloody Valentine?" and "don't stop when the red lights flash" - he's the one asking her, not the other way around at points. This is how I'd break down the lyrics: Uncomfortable silence I'll kill it if you want me to I'm like ultra-violence I'll kill it if you want me to Uncomfortable silence = the "sexual tension" Billie talked about when describing the albums. The narrator will "kill" the silence and tension if the subject wants (by initiating sex). The aggression reflects his growing lust for her and spiral out of control. Out of sight, out of mind A reference back to Fell for You ("you're out of sight / but not out of mind") when the narrator first accepted he's falling for the subject. I'm not the hurting kind Despite the aggressiveness of the lust he isn't going to hurt her, literally or metaphorically (or so he thinks). I'll make you surrender Surrender = give in to temptation, which in this case is sex Stop when the red lights flash I'll trade you blood for dirty cash The warning signs are there, there's still an inkling that it's wrong, but it's said almost mockingly. They're going ahead with it anyway. "Dirty cash" could be a prostitution reference but I don't think she's literally a prostitute, more that it's a metaphor for the seedy circumstances. Life in the catacombs Their relationship is hidden away because it's forbidden. You make me feel like I'm at home Even though it's forbidden and seedy, the subject still makes him feel so comfortable it's like "being at home". Just give in one more time Pretty literal. Give in = "have sex with me again", basically Obviously this is my personal interpretation and people can interpret it however they want. I don't personally see the childhood shooting thing at all though. Sandy Hook happened after it was released and whilst it could have been inspired by another similar event, it would've had to be something huge for the song to appear in the middle of an album about sex. Not to mention that Billie himself has said it's about that. I know none of us can find the quote but since we all remember it he must have said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaughingClock Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 23 hours ago, Hermione said: I think it's that. Also I always hear it as "you make me feel like I'm not old" and I wish it was that because I prefer it You DEFINITELY nailed it at the end of this paragraph Herms. 22 hours ago, solongfromthestars said: I interpret "I'll make you surrender" more as both parties have doubts about whether they should be doing it or not, they're both trying to fight temptation and he's encouraging her - saying "I will be so desirable you'll want me". Assuming it's the same girl in all of the songs, he addresses her reluctance in Angel Blue and Oh Love too, saying "won't you be my bloody Valentine?" and "don't stop when the red lights flash" - he's the one asking her, not the other way around at points. This is how I'd break down the lyrics: Uncomfortable silence I'll kill it if you want me to I'm like ultra-violence I'll kill it if you want me to Uncomfortable silence = the "sexual tension" Billie talked about when describing the albums. The narrator will "kill" the silence and tension if the subject wants (by initiating sex). The aggression reflects his growing lust for her and spiral out of control. Out of sight, out of mind A reference back to Fell for You ("you're out of sight / but not out of mind") when the narrator first accepted he's falling for the subject. I'm not the hurting kind Despite the aggressiveness of the lust he isn't going to hurt her, literally or metaphorically (or so he thinks). I'll make you surrender Surrender = give in to temptation, which in this case is sex Stop when the red lights flash I'll trade you blood for dirty cash The warning signs are there, there's still an inkling that it's wrong, but it's said almost mockingly. They're going ahead with it anyway. "Dirty cash" could be a prostitution reference but I don't think she's literally a prostitute, more that it's a metaphor for the seedy circumstances. Life in the catacombs Their relationship is hidden away because it's forbidden. You make me feel like I'm at home Even though it's forbidden and seedy, the subject still makes him feel so comfortable it's like "being at home". Just give in one more time Pretty literal. Give in = "have sex with me again", basically Obviously this is my personal interpretation and people can interpret it however they want. I don't personally see the childhood shooting thing at all though. Sandy Hook happened after it was released and whilst it could have been inspired by another similar event, it would've had to be something huge for the song to appear in the middle of an album about sex. Not to mention that Billie himself has said it's about that. I know none of us can find the quote but since we all remember it he must have said it. I know what he said IN GENERAL about Uno!, Dos! And Tre! which was and I’m paraphrasing “Uno is the beginning of the party, Dos is the height of the party, and Tre’ is the come down” but that doesn’t mean every song on Dos! Is about sex and partying. Want me to point out other songs? Ill just say this one more time and then you guys can believe what you want. THE SONG, not the phrase every time it’s used in the Trill, is about school violence and blood money from lobbying groups in school shootings in America. Like Bang Bang, it is written MOSTLY from the perspective of the shooter. Thats it, believe what you want to believe. All it good in the hood with me on it. I’m not gonna force feed what I think to you guys but it’s pretty obvious to my eyes. 22 hours ago, solongfromthestars said: I Obviously this is my personal interpretation and people can interpret it however they want. I don't personally see the childhood shooting thing at all though. Sandy Hook happened after it was released and whilst it could have been inspired by another similar event, it would've had to be something huge for the song to appear in the middle of an album about sex. Not to mention that Billie himself has said it's about that. I know none of us can find the quote but since we all remember it he must have said it. Here is an actual list of over 250 school shootings In America at schools. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States It also includes busses and preschools (hope that’s allowed to count) and they ALL happened before Sady Hook. And as usual, Billie as prophetic as he is, Album drop happened almost a month to the day after Sady Hook so while you’re right about that date, I think Billie and friends took notice of the 100s of school shootings in America before Sady Hook. Fuck, Michael Moore made a whole documentary called Bowling for Columbine on the subject before Sady Hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, LaughingClock said: I know what he said IN GENERAL about Uno!, Dos! And Tre! which was and I’m paraphrasing “Uno is the beginning of the party, Dos is the height of the party, and Tre’ is the come down” but that doesn’t mean every song on Dos! Is about sex and partying. Want me to point out other songs? Ill just say this one more time and then you guys can believe what you want. THE SONG, not the phrase every time it’s used in the Trill, is about school violence and blood money from lobbying groups in school shootings in America. Like Bang Bang, it is written MOSTLY from the perspective of the shooter. Thats it, believe what you want to believe. All it good in the hood with me on it. I’m not gonna force feed what I think to you guys but it’s pretty obvious to my eyes. Isn't that just your personal interpretation though (which is totally fine) or do you have a source? Looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Joes Eyelids Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Now I know what I’m gonna ask Billie if I ever meet him. “I’m a huge fan, I admire you so much, and can you please tell me is SWTRLF s about sex or school shootings?”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaughingClock Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, solongfromthestars said: Isn't that just your personal interpretation though (which is totally fine) or do you have a source? Looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree otherwise. I do have sources but I don’t ask those sources obvious questions and besides, I’m not really claiming to be RIGHT. Just seems pretty damn obvious to me. 41 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said: Now I know what I’m gonna ask Billie if I ever meet him. “I’m a huge fan, I admire you so much, and can you please tell me is SWTRLF s about sex or school shootings?”. I would start thinking of a better question if you ever get your shot. I will say this, I did have a conversation with BJ about many of the lyrics on RevRad and was correct on his thoughts on all of them to the extent he was willing to discuss. One of the fondest conversations I ever had. Can we end this discussion if I just say it’s about sex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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