Billie Joe anti-Trump comment on Instagram

[solongfromthestars]

Honestly, I can completely understand how he ended up lashing out like that. As if the content of the post wasn't enough (you know, nuclear war and all), as soon as he posted it fans were commenting the usual "hi dad", "come to Brazil", "adopt me", "you sucked after American Idiot", etc. That must be annoying anyway, but was really inappropriate in context and I doubt it helped. Maybe his comments weren't mature, maybe they were childish and a bit misdirected, but they were human.

I'm also pretty sure that as multiple people have pointed out, some of the fans probably baited him for a reply and may well be thrilled, not upset (which is also pathetic).

Anyway this is actually getting a decent amount of press now. It was all over my social media this morning. Guess he's more relevant than we think.

http://www.nme.com/news/music/billie-joe-armstrong-tells-trump-supporting-fan-to-stop-listening-to-green-day-2204587

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8086032/billie-joe-armstrong-trump-instagram

https://www.alternativenation.net/green-days-billie-joe-armstrong-calls-fan-stupid-piece-sht-surprising-reason/

http://loudwire.com/green-day-billie-joe-armstrong-donald-trump-impeachment/

http://news.radio.com/2018/01/03/green-day-billie-joe-armstrong-trump-nuclear-tweet/

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

3 hours ago, Grubby Poop said:

I would just like to point out that we have 6 pages of everyone giving their opinion of whether Billie was right or wrong and almost no conversation about the 45th President of the US threatening nuclear war. 

That’s probably because saying “Trump did something stupid today” is as obvious as saying “it’s cold in the Midwest today.” There are only so many ways to say the same thing over and over again.

[_Mace_]

7 hours ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

That’s probably because saying “Trump did something stupid today” is as obvious as saying “it’s cold in the Midwest today.” There are only so many ways to say the same thing over and over again.

Honestly, I'm hardly ever surprised when I see that Trump provoked/offended/lied to someone in the news anymore. And that's one of the saddest parts of this whole thing. It doesn't make what Trump said any less horrible, though. To be honest, I think the best way to deal with a narcissistic asshole like Trump would be to emit him from the news. No matter what he does,  just never mention it. Lol. I know they can't do that, people need to be informed, but it'd be nice.

[pacejunkie punk]

8 minutes ago, Gloria Killjoy said:

Honestly, I'm hardly ever surprised when I see that Trump provoked/offended/lied to someone in the news anymore. And that's one of the saddest parts of this whole thing. It doesn't make what Trump said any less horrible, though. To be honest, I think the best way to deal with a narcissistic asshole like Trump would be to emit him from the news. No matter what he does,  just never mention it. Lol. I know they can't do that, people need to be informed, but it'd be nice.

If they could you’re right, attention is the worst thing you can do for someone like that. They should institute a reward/punishment system and only give him media attention for appropriate behavior like you would for a toddler, but then you’d be misleading the public that he’s stable.

[Chin for a Day]

59 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

That’s probably because saying “Billie Joe told someone to fuck off” is as obvious as saying “it’s cold in the Midwest today.” There are only so many ways to say the same thing over and over again.

Fixed that for you

[_Mace_]

7 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

If they could you’re right, attention is the worst thing you can do for someone like that. They should institute a reward/punishment system and only give him media attention for appropriate behavior like you would for a toddler, but then you’d be misleading the public that he’s stable.

It's sick all the stuff he does for attention; and it's even sicker that he gets it. It'd be painting a false picture if they omitted anything, though. It confuses me, honestly, as to why the WH staff don't monitor his twitter feed more. I mean, they, of all people should want him to look stable. Not to mention America's fucked with how divided it is. He's riling an entire country up, pretty much.

[pacejunkie punk]

9 minutes ago, Gloria Killjoy said:

It's sick all the stuff he does for attention; and it's even sicker that he gets it. It'd be painting a false picture if they omitted anything, though. It confuses me, honestly, as to why the WH staff don't monitor his twitter feed more. I mean, they, of all people should want him to look stable. Not to mention America's fucked with how divided it is. He's riling an entire country up, pretty much.

I’m sure they would love to but even they can’t control him.

[_Mace_]

7 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I’m sure they would love to but even they can’t control him.

Makes sense.

[Christian's Inferno!]

13 hours ago, gaslight13 said:

Yes and if you travel back in time to Germany pre-concentration camps I'm sure they'd have said the same thing about that happening. 
 

I've mentioned this on another forum thread but I hate how people keep comparing Nazis to Trump. It's not the same thing. And I understand it'd be quite frightening to live in the US with Trump in power but Trump isn't going to start a Nuclear War. Like WhiteTim said, both of them have too much to lose. And despite the stupid things Trump's done, he's smarter than people think. I mean, he was smart enough to actually get elected when everyone said he wasn't going to.

7 hours ago, Hermione said:

I've seen 11 year olds act less childishly than Trump in his original tweet. But a musician reacting angrily to online provocation in front of a few fans is funnier than your president doing the same with nuclear threats and being laughed at by the world right?

A punk musician being angry/childish with fans on Instagram is so far from the level of ridiculousness of the US president being angry/childish with world leaders and whole countries that it barely deserves comment, much less being compared to it as if it's the same thing here  

I don't think we're comparing Billie's anger to Trump. I don't think anyone is saying it's the same thing. The discussion is just about whether Billie's rants in the comments took away from his original post which many of us believe it did.

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

As far as Trump is concerned, his time is coming. Have no doubt that his true self will be fully revealed, probably within the next 6 months but definitely within a year. The extent of his criminality and mental instability is absolutely shocking. Not shocking that he’s an insane con man, just shocking that he’s president. I follow a lot of people on Twitter who are political and legal experts, and who have a lot of sources who really know what’s going on. Some of these people I follow are running for office or have actual positions, they are the real thing. Two that I recommend are Seth Abramson and Renato Marriotti. Their threads are long and complex, but if you have the patience and want a good explanation of what’s going on, it’s worth the read. It will give you hope for justice. 

[pacejunkie punk]

14 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said:

As far as Trump is concerned, his time is coming. Have no doubt that his true self will be fully revealed, probably within the next 6 months but definitely within a year. The extent of his criminality and mental instability is absolutely shocking. Not shocking that he’s an insane con man, just shocking that he’s president. I follow a lot of people on Twitter who are political and legal experts, and who have a lot of sources who really know what’s going on. Some of these people I follow are running for office or have actual positions, they are the real thing. Two that I recommend are Seth Abramson and Renato Marriotti. Their threads are long and complex, but if you have the patience and want a good explanation of what’s going on, it’s worth the read. It will give you hope for justice. 

Will it give me hope that he may actually be removed from office during this term? That’s all I want.

As far as his true self being revealed, I think that’s been apparent since day one, and the shocking thing is no one seems to care. What can they possibly come up with that will wake people up if they haven’t already?

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

10 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Will it give me hope that he may actually be removed from office during this term? That’s all I want.

As far as his true self being revealed, I think that’s been apparent since day one, and the shocking thing is no one seems to care. What can they possibly come up with that will wake people up if they haven’t already?

There is A LOT that people don’t know because the legal aspects of this are incredibly complicated. Mueller has an incredible amount of evidence on him already, and now he’s just gathering more and connecting the dots. Legal experts can read between the lines of who is being questioned and what the subpoenas are for. From that, they can easily figure where the investigation is going and what they do have on the Trump gang. But as I said, you have to be willing to read through some really long and complex threads to even begin to grasp it. That’s why the general public have a very limited perception of this investigation. Also it takes a very long time and people lose interest until the next indictment is made.

[CherryBombs&Gasoline]

Wow, we are REALLY living in troubled times. I'm not American and I don't want to come across as a moralizer, but I think it's fair to say that people all over the world are afraid of Trump. It seems like this man is loosing his mind. Seriously, I'm not joking. I'm absolutely sure that this guy has no idea what he's doing. And I'm pretty sure Billie Joe is feeling the same way. The only difference is that Trump is actually his president, he has to live in a country that, for whatever reason, elected this man. So yeah, the way he tries to get his message across is questionable, but we're all just human beeings. We sometimes freak out. And to be honest, I think there's no need to apologize for that. 

Yes, everyone has the right so say whatever he or she thinks. That also includes Trump-supporters. But there are certain things that just can't be justified. For instance, a German politician very recently tweeted about "barbaric, Muslim, rapist hordes of men". NOTHING can justify a satement like this, at least if you ask me. And yet, a lot of people are still defending the statement.  If I met someone who told me that this politician was right, I'd probably loose my shit, too. (Here's a source if anyone is interested: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/beatrix-von-storch-germany-afd-anti-muslim-twitter-north-rhine-westphalia-new-years-eve-a8138086.html)

BJs reaction isn't very mature, that's true. But it's not a surprise either. 

 

[pacejunkie punk]

11 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said:

There is A LOT that people don’t know because the legal aspects of this are incredibly complicated. Mueller has an incredible amount of evidence on him already, and now he’s just gathering more and connecting the dots. Legal experts can read between the lines of who is being questioned and what the subpoenas are for. From that, they can easily figure where the investigation is going and what they do have on the Trump gang. But as I said, you have to be willing to read through some really long and complex threads to even begin to grasp it. That’s why the general public have a very limited perception of this investigation. Also it takes a very long time and people lose interest until the next indictment is made.

Let’s hope they act before he pushes that big and powerful button on his desk. 😢

[Alan86]

You can’t win an argument with a “fuck you” or “go fuck yourself”. I have no doubt Billie is right and I agree with his original message but the way he tried to get his message across by responding to people with nonsensical swearing and no substance to his argument makes him look foolish.

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

18 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Let’s hope they act before he pushes that big and powerful button on his desk. 😢

There fortunately is no button on his desk and there a lot of people who can stop him before that happens. My hope is that people in Congress and his administration, who know good and well that he’s not stable, stop protecting him for political reasons. That is the really scary part of what’s happening.

11 minutes ago, Alan86 said:

You can’t win an argument with a “fuck you” or “go fuck yourself”. I have no doubt Billie is right and I agree with his original message but the way he tried to get his message across by responding to people with nonsensical swearing and no substance to his argument makes him look foolish.

I think everyone on here knows that and I think Billie knows that in retrospect. The question is how much to hold that against him and how much to beat a dead horse. In the big picture, Billie is a good-hearted person and a wonderful family man. He had a tough childhood and has battled mental health issues and addiction. I’m able to overlook an isolated outburst on social media. He has said before that he is an asshole who tries to be a good person. That is actually very noble. A slip-up now and then can be excused, especially in regards to a topic that is so maddening. 

[Chin for a Day]

1 minute ago, neverdone2000 said:

There fortunately is no button on his desk and there a lot of people who can stop him before that happens. My hope is that people in Congress and his administration, who know good and well that he’s not stable, stop protecting him for political reasons. That is the really scary part of what’s happening.

John Hyten, who is the top US nuclear commander said he would question any order coming from him. HE said he would advise him what is legal per the situation. So, yes, I agree, there are people around to advise him and he just can't push the button.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/18/politics/air-force-general-john-hyten-nuclear-strike-donald-trump/index.html

[Alan86]

1 hour ago, neverdone2000 said:

I think everyone on here knows that and I think Billie knows that in retrospect. The question is how much to hold that against him and how much to beat a dead horse. In the big picture, Billie is a good-hearted person and a wonderful family man. He had a tough childhood and has battled mental health issues and addiction. I’m able to overlook an isolated outburst on social media. He has said before that he is an asshole who tries to be a good person. That is actually very noble. A slip-up now and then can be excused, especially in regards to a topic that is so maddening. 

I know that and I too have been a supporter of Billie for too long to let this sway my opinion of him. All said I actually agree with him but he could have just left it at his original post and not responded to specific questions. 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

22 minutes ago, Alan86 said:

I know that and I too have been a supporter of Billie for too long to let this sway my opinion of him. All said I actually agree with him but he could have just left it at his original post and not responded to specific questions. 

Agreed

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

What I would say about his outburst, specifically about his uncalled for attack on the fan who definitely said nothing to incur the overreaction, is that it won't change my opinion of Billie as a decent person because I personally worry about what may be going with Billie health wise or sobriety wise. Understand I am not opening up a discussion or debate here. I understand the mods do not want speculation. Fine. I actually believe it's not like Billie to lose it like this at fans and it's my personal feeling that it's similar only to isolated incidents right before iheart. That said I am only stating why this won't affect my opinion of him. When Chester Bennington died Billie posted about how complicated mental health and addiction is. It's very true. Addiction isn't straightforward. It's an ongoing battle so if this outburst is in any way connected to either addiction or mental health problems then I don't want to jump on him and judge him. Now carry on. Not trying to start anything other than saying what I am thinking anyway.

[pacejunkie punk]

The very fact people are talking about this is because it’s unlike him. His replies literally read like panic attacks “fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you...” But whatever it was it’s passed.

[Hermione]

I've seen him being pretty cranky and angry on stage, in interviews, on social media or wherever many many times over the years. It's not out if the ordinary for him to unleash some anger from time to time. And it's really not out of the ordinary for anyone to unleash anger on social media when there's anger inducing or dumb political comments going on . I don't think there's any point in worrying over one incident of it.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

34 minutes ago, Hermione said:

And it's really not out of the ordinary for anyone to unleash anger on social media when there's anger inducing or dumb political comments going on .

It is out of the ordinary to unleash anger so viciously when the comment in question is not anger inducing (or shouldn't be to a rational person). It is just stating a sad fact.

[_Mace_]

7 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

It is out of the ordinary to unleash anger so viciously when the comment in question is not anger inducing (or shouldn't be to a rational person). It is just stating a sad fact.

A comment like that is probably more than anger inducing. It's insanity inducing. It's being told that your efforts to better the world are shit. Of course he got mad! He really should've exercised some self control to not respond like that; his response was quite inappropriate.  But that person also kinda didn't have to say that. He also had kind of no reason to. And BJ does have a point: if you don't like what he has to say, don't read what he has to say. Just stay out of it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think BJ is past the point of wanting to hear other people's opinions on his cries for  help.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

13 minutes ago, Gloria Killjoy said:

A comment like that is probably more than anger inducing. It's insanity inducing. It's being told that your efforts to better the world are shit. Of course he got mad! He really should've exercised some self control to not respond like that; his response was quite inappropriate.  But that person also kinda didn't have to say that. He also had kind of no reason to. And BJ does have a point: if you don't like what he has to say, don't read what he has to say. Just stay out of it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think BJ is past the point of wanting to hear other people's opinions on his cries for  help.

Are you serious? Look I get that you are supportive of Billie and everything but seriously life is what it is and as much as it would be nice if we could get people to think like us and agree with our views (haha how handy life would be then eh?) it is not reality. Reality is that Billie can't change Trump supporters views. That's just a fact. Shit if hearing that makes him fly off the handle then maybe he really does need help. Most of us know as children that people don't all think the same way and we can't force them to think like us. The person who posted just pointed out a fact. The overreaction from Billie is odd behaviour.