Billie Joe anti-Trump comment on Instagram

[WhiteTim]

9 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said:

Any adult who claims they've never been irrational, ever, about anything, is lying. I generally don't judge people for isolated incidents of irrational behaviour, because there are hundreds of factors that can influence people, I have no way of knowing about most of them (no matter how much I think I do) and I'm not above admitting I've done it myself. Obviously if someone is doing it on a regular basis then they're probably an asshole, but I shouldn't even have to explain that because it's a completely different thing. I'm pretty sure that's why most others here aren't standing outside his house with pitchforks, not because they're Fangirls™ who'll excuse anything he does.

if i could like your post more I would

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

14 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said:

Any adult who claims they've never been irrational, ever, about anything, is lying. I generally don't judge people for isolated incidents of irrational behaviour, because there are hundreds of factors that can influence people, I have no way of knowing about most of them (no matter how much I think I do) and I'm not above admitting I've done it myself. Obviously if someone is doing it on a regular basis then they're probably an asshole, but I shouldn't even have to explain that because it's a completely different thing. I'm pretty sure that's why most others here aren't standing outside his house with pitchforks, not because they're Fangirls™ who'll excuse anything he does.

I don't know if you read the entire thread before posting but the problem I and some others have on here is that certain fans literally refuse to admit he was wrong in this situation or say that he was completely right and they would have done exactly the same thing. It is fucking tedious.

[_Mace_]

Jesus fucking Christ, people are allowed to agree with what Billie  did, regardless of status. I HATE Taylor Swift's music, but I would agree with her  if she was the one in this situation, as 

A) it's pretty damn annoying to have a point repeated to you that doesn't even tie into what you were saying, and that you clearly already know. He went of on that guy, I'll bet, because he was being extremely unhelpful by reiterating a useless point. Obviously, Billie didn't go after the Trumpians because he knew they'd never change their minds. It's useless to go after trolls, and apparently Billie beleived this guy need to understand the point of his post. He did not use the best language, though.

B) people. Get. Angry. Doesn't make it right, makes it understandable.

C) political issues are really important and really stressful. Billie has better control over his rage than the president, and that's really sad. And he wants to make sure someone better can come along and help fix this mess.

D) Billie has always felt very strongly about this stuff.

[_Mace_]

Also I know that nothing I say will change anyones' mind, but I still felt the need to say it (again). 

[Hermione]

7 hours ago, Brooklyn Baby said:

^^ or he could have, you know, acted like a grown up 

The irony of someone responding to Trump's unbelievably childish tweet being told to act like a grown up.

The amount that Billie's bitchy reply has been blown out of proportion in this thread is surreal at this point  

[Beerjeezus]

[Thatsername]

7 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

I don't know if you read the entire thread before posting but the problem I and some others have on here is that certain fans literally refuse to admit he was wrong in this situation or say that he was completely right and they would have done exactly the same thing. It is fucking tedious.

So you're basically complaining that people have a different opinion than you on a community board? I thought that having different opinions is kind of the sense of a forum like this... but maybe that's just me

[Christian's Inferno!]

11 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

There were hundreds if not thousands of comments on his post, some positive, others negative, some blatantly trolling and others like the guy he attacked just pointing out the obvious. Billie could have ignored all the comments. He could have attacked the obvious trolls and trump supporters. The fact that he instead choose to pick an innocent comment and reply so viciously can't be excused by saying it was just a mistake. Are you suggesting Billie couldn't understand the sentence the guy wrote? It couldn't have been more clear. If he was in doubt he should have ignored it like he did hundreds of other comments. He has had perfectly decent debates/conversations in the recent past about politics on IG while trolls bombarded the comments as usual. You say he has never done anything like this before. He has in fact done something similar before. Way back in 2012 he overreacted to a fans comment in a political post, called him a cunt and blocked him.

As an adult  you have to deal with shit every day and NOT blow your lid. You have to learn to simply ignore an awful lot of bullshit. Billie is a rockstar. His public IG is pretty much an extension of his workplace (to use a boring term) - a platform to reach his audience, his fans, the people who buy his music and gig tickets. At 45 Billie attacking a fan on his public IG over nothing because he's angry about the president (who everyone has to live with) is absolutely ridiculous. It is not something he would normally do as I've said and for a damn good reason. Yes he has done it before once but it was back in 2012 and in hindsight we know he probably wasn't thinking straight when he called that fan a cunt.

You ask how is being drunk or high a better excuse than being angry? I'd ask you is it not better to have a drink, be a little tipsy and write something dumb than to have some sort of anger management issues that result in lashing out at people that have done nothing whatsoever in rage filled rants, telling them to go to hell and calling them stupid pieces of shit?

OK, if you want to think less of Billie or assume he's drunk/high, go ahead. But the rest of us won't because we know that Billie isn't perfect and that he, like the rest of us, can be irrational at times and we don't want to assume anything or jump to any conclusions without having any proof. I think the reason he chose to "pick an innocent comment" was because he wasn't thinking. And no, I don't believe it's because he was drunk but that he is a human being and everybody makes mistakes.

I think the difference between this and the incident in 2012 (I'm not actually aware of this incident so I'm just assuming) is that Billie Joe had no reason to be angry. In this situation, he's angry at the President of the United States threatening North Korea and putting the lives of innocent civilians in danger. Again, he was in the wrong but this is much more understandable why he'd get angry. But to assume that Billie's drunk or high again because a similar incident happened in 2012 is ignorant.

And no, being drunk is not a better excuse. Being angry at Trump for him doing something stupid and insane is not an anger management issue.

5 hours ago, Billie Joe Armstrong said:

 

The memes are saving this thread!

[solongfromthestars]

10 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

I don't know if you read the entire thread before posting but the problem I and some others have on here is that certain fans literally refuse to admit he was wrong in this situation or say that he was completely right and they would have done exactly the same thing. It is fucking tedious.

Yes, I've read the whole thread, I've posted in it multiple times. My point still applies to your insistence that he must have relapsed and that there's no excuse for it otherwise.

I can see how blindly praising this behaviour would annoy some people, and I know Green Day fans can be ridiculous, but I don't see many people completely excusing him. Most people have said it was immature but they understand and blindly praising has been condemned several times by you and others. No one is going to agree that he's drunk (or that we should even be talking about that). At this point we're all repeating ourselves and no one's opinions are going to change.

[DeJennsitized]

Guys, Billie Joe didn’t write the line “anti-social media” for nothing  

On another note, if you think Billie being angry and lashing out is out of character, you must not have heard Platypus, or F.O.D, or Take Back. He’s a tiny angry man. This is not news 

[pacejunkie punk]

17 minutes ago, ¡Jenn! said:

Guys, Billie Joe didn’t write the line “anti-social media” for nothing  

On another note, if you think Billie being angry and lashing out is out of character, you must not have heard Platypus, or F.O.D, or Take Back. He’s a tiny angry man. This is not news 

Or Reject, which really sums him up (and is basically a letter/song version of an internet rant).

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

56 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

OK, if you want to think less of Billie or assume he's drunk/high, go ahead. But the rest of us won't because we know that Billie isn't perfect and that he, like the rest of us, can be irrational at times and we don't want to assume anything or jump to any conclusions without having any proof. I think the reason he chose to "pick an innocent comment" was because he wasn't thinking. And no, I don't believe it's because he was drunk but that he is a human being and everybody makes mistakes.

I think the difference between this and the incident in 2012 (I'm not actually aware of this incident so I'm just assuming) is that Billie Joe had no reason to be angry. In this situation, he's angry at the President of the United States threatening North Korea and putting the lives of innocent civilians in danger. Again, he was in the wrong but this is much more understandable why he'd get angry. But to assume that Billie's drunk or high again because a similar incident happened in 2012 is ignorant.

And no, being drunk is not a better excuse. Being angry at Trump for him doing something stupid and insane is not an anger management issue.

The memes are saving this thread!

Again...Billie being "angry at Trump" does not explain why he's being so abusive towards a fan who did absolutely nothing. The incident in 2012 was similar - linked to the election/campaign. For the ten millionth time, I don't see what it so terrible about the thought that he may have had a drink. I do think there is something seriously questionable about his anger control if he was stone cold sober when this happened because if he lashes out viciously at a random person because he's angry at a different person that's not ok.

44 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said:

Yes, I've read the whole thread, I've posted in it multiple times. My point still applies to your insistence that he must have relapsed and that there's no excuse for it otherwise.

I can see how blindly praising this behaviour would annoy some people, and I know Green Day fans can be ridiculous, but I don't see many people completely excusing him. Most people have said it was immature but they understand and blindly praising has been condemned several times by you and others. No one is going to agree that he's drunk (or that we should even be talking about that). At this point we're all repeating ourselves and no one's opinions are going to change.

I never insisted he relapsed  I said I choose to believe maybe he wasn't fully in control of himself for once and screwed up rather than was acting like an asshole which by the way is the screaming alternative. From my point of view I don't see how anyone can excuse what he did. I never asked for people to agree with my perspective that maybe he was slightly impaired but that was my way of trying to rationalise why he may have done this. Ironically it was perceived as attacking him  Whatever. The important point is what Billie did was absolutely wrong. This shit of well he was angry at Trump so he attacked a random fan is idiotic. And it's completely excusing him.

[pouty bitch]

11 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

the problem I and some others have on here is that certain fans literally refuse to admit he was wrong in this situation or say that he was completely right and they would have done exactly the same thing.

There aren't many people saying this though. The majority of posts in this thread are people saying that Billie is in the wrong, but they understand why he did it.

11 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

It is fucking tedious.

Do you know what else is fucking tedious? Your obsession with the idea of Billie being drunk.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

1 minute ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

There aren't many people saying this though. The majority of posts in this thread are people saying that Billie is in the wrong, but they understand why he did it.

Do you know what else is fucking tedious? Your obsession with the idea of Billie being drunk.

He was wrong but I understand why he did it? That's excusing him.

Can you even read my posts please. I'm not repeating myself 20 million times.

[Christian's Inferno!]

3 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

He was wrong but I understand why he did it? That's excusing him.

Can you even read my posts please. I'm not repeating myself 20 million times.

So you don't understand why he did it? Do you actually think Billie's an asshole now? Are you not going to be able to let go of this? Are you not going to be able to enjoy listening to GD now? I mean, for all we know the guy Billie replied to didn't even care about Billie's response. It's rare that Billie acts like this anyway. This isn't a continuous thing. Billie's not attacking his fans every other day.

[Hermione]

8 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

The important point is what Billie did was absolutely wrong. 

This is your opinion not an unequivocal fact. Everyone knows what you think now, you can't expect to force everyone to agree with you however many times you repeat yourself.

I don't want to see any more posts from you or anyone else speculating about Billie's drinking habits. I don't care if you're responding to someone else or what, just stop.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

4 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

So you don't understand why he did it? Do you actually think Billie's an asshole now? Are you not going to be able to let go of this? Are you not going to be able to enjoy listening to GD now? I mean, for all we know the guy Billie replied to didn't even care about Billie's response. It's rare that Billie acts like this anyway. This isn't a continuous thing. Billie's not attacking his fans every other day.

Here's an idea...go read my first post on this thread.

[pouty bitch]

15 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

He was wrong but I understand why he did it? That's excusing him.

Can you even read my posts please. I'm not repeating myself 20 million times.

It's not excusing him, it's being logical, rather than just saying "oh look, Billie got angry. Crime of the fucking century, off with his head."

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

Just now, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

It's not excusing him, it's being logical, rather than just saying "oh look, Billie got angry. Crime of the fucking century, off with his head."

I have read your posts and you've already repeated yourself 20 million times saying that Billie is drunk, but with no evidence.

Then you really haven't read my posts. You've only seen what you want to see.

[pouty bitch]

3 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Then you really haven't read my posts. You've only seen what you want to see.

As are you.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

6 minutes ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

As are you.

Yeah whatever...the "Billie was angry" at the president so whatever he did to a fan is ok logic that is being applied here is depressing.

Later.

[Christian's Inferno!]

14 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Here's an idea...go read my first post on this thread.

I assume you mean this post (which is actually your 2nd post) cause your 1st post doesn't answer any of my questions

On 1/4/2018 at 6:04 PM, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

What I would say about his outburst, specifically about his uncalled for attack on the fan who definitely said nothing to incur the overreaction, is that it won't change my opinion of Billie as a decent person because I personally worry about what may be going with Billie health wise or sobriety wise. Understand I am not opening up a discussion or debate here. I understand the mods do not want speculation. Fine. I actually believe it's not like Billie to lose it like this at fans and it's my personal feeling that it's similar only to isolated incidents right before iheart. That said I am only stating why this won't affect my opinion of him. When Chester Bennington died Billie posted about how complicated mental health and addiction is. It's very true. Addiction isn't straightforward. It's an ongoing battle so if this outburst is in any way connected to either addiction or mental health problems then I don't want to jump on him and judge him. Now carry on. Not trying to start anything other than saying what I am thinking anyway.

My question now is why are you so obsessed with this if you still think that Billie's a decent person. From your responses after this, it just seems like you want everyone to think of Billie as a piece of shit and that he's drinking again. Very few people are actually saying that Billie was completely in the right, most of us are just saying that we know why he did what he did. And that isn't excusing him.

[pouty bitch]

1 hour ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Yeah whatever...the "Billie was angry" so whatever he did is ok logic that is being applied here is depressing.

As I've said (if you read my posts instead of telling me to read yours), no-one is saying what he did was okay, they're saying they can understand why he did it. There's a difference.

1 hour ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Later.

Good Riddance.

[The Bellie]

@Hero_Of_The_Hour my comments in your post in blue :

51 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

  11 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

There were hundreds if not thousands of comments on his post, some positive, others negative, some blatantly trolling and others like the guy he attacked just pointing out the obvious. Billie could have ignored all the comments. He could have attacked the obvious trolls and trump supporters. The fact that he instead choose to pick an innocent comment and reply so viciously can't be excused by saying it was just a mistake. I just think here, less is often more. That comment which you call innocent (to me it wasn't, it was at least thoughtless or dumb, either way Billie may have felt it as cruel, knowing everything he has been doing for a year and a half to make things evolve. That fan is just telling Billie that all his efforts from the start are worth nothing. My first reaction was to be sorry for that fan, I still am, because as any fan I have empathy and I know it happens to me too to react a bit fast sometimes, I'm hoping now this fan was not too hurt and that Billie's reaction will make him think more about what Billie has been fighting for all this time and how hard he has. Are you suggesting Billie couldn't understand the sentence the guy wrote? It couldn't have been more clear. If he was in doubt he should have ignored it like he did hundreds of other comments. He has had perfectly decent debates/conversations in the recent past about politics on IG while trolls bombarded the comments as usual. You say he has never done anything like this before. He has in fact done something similar before. Way back in 2012 he overreacted to a fans comment in a political post, called him a cunt and blocked him. I've been looking for previous 'political' posts of Billie and indeed, he's been able of being much more open and patient with fans bringing the same empty arguments. Well, you can do efforts to be calm and understanding, but when I read again I'm just desperate to read the fan commenting "you're a liberal.." while Billie said in his original post "I don't care if you're liberal or conservative"... The indifference and misunderstanding of some of his own fans may have worn Billie out. There are people who are likely to burst out of anger in some non-often, unpredictable situations, while it's not their normal mood at all. I can relate to Billie for this part, since I am like this myself. And I don't need to take anything for that.

As an adult  you have to deal with shit every day and NOT blow your lid. You have to learn to simply ignore an awful lot of bullshit. You can never completely ignore all these things, it leaves a trace in a way or another. You're free to pretend ignoring it though... But pretending to keep the control on yourself all the time is not what I call being an adult, it's a lie.

You ask how is being drunk or high a better excuse than being angry? I'd ask you is it not better to have a drink, be a little tipsy and write something dumb than to have some sort of anger management issues that result in lashing out at people that have done nothing whatsoever in rage filled rants, telling them to go to hell and calling them stupid pieces of shit? I'm gonna feel redundant after everyone else, it isn't nice, but to me it is very understandable. Even if it isn't understandable for you, you can see that was more than anger, that was despair. Emotion leads you to not always chose the appropriate words while reacting, and unfortunately, apart from words, there ain't many ways of expressing something so heavy with a keyboard. Billie's level of emotion was worth the harm he must have felt coming from this comment (this same comment we've all read), that was tending to reduce all he has done to nothing. In spite of all, no justification needed from Billie as I said earlier, and I personally don't need or pretend to excuse him, I totally accept him being that person who has shocked me as well at first, while in some way I'm relieved by it.

[_Mace_]

Billie's take on this whole thread and everyone's opinions: