pacejunkie punk Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 50 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said: In my opinion that's unhealthy. Sorry Then why are you here? Why have you been to hundreds of shows and camped out for front row to be seen and noticed by him? Why have you spent thousands of pounds on merch, tickets and music? Call it unhealthy all you want, but look in the mirror while you do. Don't tell me you're into every band's music at this level. What is it about Green Day? 51 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said: I'm sure almost every celebrity is pressured by their management to post on social media. They are obliged to at least consider doing what their employer asks and they won't always be doing things because they want to (I'm very passionate about that subject and everyone probably already knows I wrote my dissertation on it ). Knowing they're obliged to obey their employer isn't the same thing as thinking they're obliged to please fans though. They are because the fans are the customers and buyers of the product. Look at what happens when a band gets cancelled by their fans and refuses to support them. No band can afford to have that happen. Musicians need fans to exist like any business needs customers or they're playing in their bedrooms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, Lady Mix-A-Lot said: Um no, I won't buy the coffee because I think he's a cute little guy LOL. And just because I see Billie post something online, that does not make me feel like I have a relationship with him. I am here because I like his music and I like the person that he is and what he stands for. Feeling like you are showing some sort of devotion or loyalty to Billie by doing things you think he wants you to and then expecting him to give you something in return for said devotion is quite frankly not healthy. We are fans of a band. This is not a cult LOL. Also, since when did you get so into brand loyalty? I thought we both hated capitalism LOL. I have a bachelor’s degree in PR and marketing so I in fact do happen to know a thing or two about brand loyalty and commercial social media communication regardless of my personal beliefs LOL. And yes, I am simplifying it, but this absolutely is how it works - brands want people to feel engaged and associate the brand with positive emotions. So hiring a cute little guy to post stuff on social media and maybe tell people to subscribe to the loyalty programme is actually a pretty good idea. If anything, people see the brand, associate it with someone they like and it’s likely they’ll choose the brand over a comparable alternative. Influencers make advertising look more like a personal recommendation and it also looks less like an ad so people are more likely to pay attention to it. Of course, it’s smart that you’re not buying into this and I suggest everyone else does the same, but that’s how it’s done and clearly it works. In my opinion, Billie should pay me. I deserve reparations. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: I have a bachelor’s degree in PR and marketing so I in fact do happen to know a thing or two about brand loyalty and commercial social media communication regardless of my personal beliefs LOL. And yes, I am simplifying it, but this absolutely is how it works - brands want people to feel engaged and associate the brand with positive emotions. So hiring a cute little guy to post stuff on social media and maybe tell people to subscribe to the loyalty programme is actually a pretty good idea. If anything, people see the brand, associate it with someone they like and it’s likely they’ll choose the brand over a comparable alternative. Influencers make advertising look more like a personal recommendation and it also looks less like an ad so people are more likely to pay attention to it. Of course, it’s smart that you’re not buying into this and I suggest everyone else does the same, but that’s how it’s done and clearly it works. In my opinion, Billie should pay me. I deserve reparations. Is Billie an influencer though? His Instagram stuff was never really him pushing coffee or anything else. It was kinda just him being him as far as I ever knew (granted I am not on Instagram). He is there representing a band he is the frontman of. No one "hired" him; it's his band. Also, if you bought stuff with full knowledge of the marketing tactics at play, that's probably on you and not Billie LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Just now, Lady Mix-A-Lot said: Is Billie an influencer though? His Instagram stuff was never really him pushing coffee or anything else. It was kinda just him being him as far as I ever knew (granted I am not on Instagram). He is there representing a band he is the frontman of. No one "hired" him; it's his band. Also, it you bought stuff with full knowledge of the marketing tactics at play, that's probably on you and not Billie LOL. Jesus Christ, I don’t have time for this. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Lot Lizard Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: Jesus Christ, I don’t have time for this. Same. I’m out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 37 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Then why are you here? Why have you been to hundreds of shows and camped out for front row to be seen and noticed by him? Why have you spent thousands of pounds on merch, tickets and music? Call it unhealthy all you want, but look in the mirror while you do. Don't tell me you're into every band's music at this level. What is it about Green Day? They are because the fans are the customers and buyers of the product. Look at what happens when a band gets cancelled by their fans and refuses to support them. No band can afford to have that happen. Musicians need fans to exist like any business needs customers or they're playing in their bedrooms. She hasn't been to "hundreds" of shows and she certainly doesn't do it to be "noticed" by him. Attending public events because you like music (because believe it or not, it is possible to just enjoy a band's music) is very, very different to buying something because you see a cute photo of someone and want them to notice and feel appreciated by you. If you think everyone goes to gigs because they want to be noticed, that says more about you than it does about them. Sorry if this sounds personal but your post was an outright nasty, petty and personal attack over something you've assumed about someone you've never met and have hardly spoken to (in contrast to you openly stating how you feel about Billie being on Instagram). In regards to bands needing their fans, they'll still have me and thousands (or millions, even) of others like me because yes, there are people who actually want the main product, music and don't expect anything else. As I said before, bands had fans and fans loved bands without social media or any means of personal conncetions in the past and they'll manage in the future. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: Jesus Christ, I don’t have time for this. You're right. I don't either. This whole conversation is stupid and never should have happened anyway. BTW, I am largely with you on the social-media-as-marketing thing. The only thing bothering me are the people who are acting like Billie is some beloved relative who abandoned them by leaving social media LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I don’t think there’s any point in playing a game of who is less unhealthily obssessed with BJA on this forum. We are all fucked up. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 14 hours ago, Beerjeezus said: I don’t think there’s any point in playing a game of who is less unhealthily obssessed with BJA on this forum. We are all fucked up. It's not a game of who's more obsessed though is it? Commenting on an opinion someone openly stated (in a way that wasn't particularly rude) isn't the same thing as personally attacking someone with childish assumptions. Edit: I want to clarify that my intention wasn't to debate who's the most obsessed and I'm definitely not saying I've never behaved unhealthily over things I love. Most people who call themselves fans have at some point, but that wasn't what I was getting at anyway - my issue was that "I think this position you've openly shared is unhealthy" is not the same as "you are unhealthy" and it doesn't warrant lashing out at someone with baseless accusations about things that have never been openly stated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 47 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Then why are you here? Why have you been to hundreds of shows and camped out for front row to be seen and noticed by him? Why have you spent thousands of pounds on merch, tickets and music? Call it unhealthy all you want, but look in the mirror while you do. Don't tell me you're into every band's music at this level. What is it about Green Day? @solongfromthestars beat me to it, but I have to say something about this. First, this is completely uncalled for and has been reported. I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but there are many reasons someone might try to get the best seat at a show: to be closer to the music, have a better view of the band, etc. They likely paid a lot of money to be there and want to have the best concert experience. I don't have the time and money to follow the band or buy tons of merch, but I hope to get to a concert someday, and when I do, I will want to have the best experience possible too. Most of us are not so attention-starved that we are trying to get noticed by a celebrity who doesn't know us from Adam. And we all have different reasons for loving Green Day more than other bands: the way their music speaks to our life experiences, the way their message aligns with our beliefs and values, etc. Yes, social media presences are usually there for marketing purposes, but that is very different than expecting some sort of parasocial relationship from a celebrity. That is what is unhealthy. 7 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: I don’t think there’s any point in playing a game of who is less unhealthily obssessed with BJA on this forum. We are all fucked up. Speak for yourself LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 On 12/4/2021 at 8:22 PM, pacejunkie punk said: Then why are you here? Why have you been to hundreds of shows and camped out for front row to be seen and noticed by him? Why have you spent thousands of pounds on merch, tickets and music? Call it unhealthy all you want, but look in the mirror while you do. Don't tell me you're into every band's music at this level. What is it about Green Day? For your information I've been to 46 Green Day shows over many years not hundreds. I love Green Day. I love their performance and I've never expected anything from Billie. As you know I'm old (and suffer with progressive rheumatoid arthritis which I've had since I was 15-16) and if I'm in the pit I need to be able to hold onto the rail or the stage or I'd end up on the floor. Also, realistically, once you've been on the rail a seat just isn't the same! You don't know me or my life and there is a very specific reason I love Green Day so much. I grew up loving all music of every genre but my ex was an abusive DJ and when I finally managed to get away I couldn't listen to anything because it took me back to days I didn't want to remember. When I found Green Day they were untouched and fresh and I was able to find my love of music again. Plus which they're live show is second to none. I love watching Billie's silly gestures. I love watching Mike play the chords to Longview and I love things like Tré doing a stupid dad dance in front of a Christmas tree! That's why I'm here. Interesting you think you know so much about me when I've never spoken to you 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said: It's not a game of who's more obsessed though is it? Commenting on an opinion someone openly stated (in a way that wasn't particularly rude) isn't the same thing as personally attacking someone with childish assumptions, but I guess I should be reporting it instead of keep commenting. Don't worry; already reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lady Mix-A-Lot said: Speak for yourself LOL. I do include myself in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said: It's not a game of who's more obsessed though is it? Commenting on an opinion someone openly stated (in a way that wasn't particularly rude) isn't the same thing as personally attacking someone with childish assumptions, but I guess I should be reporting it instead of keep commenting. It wasn't rude to call me unhealthy? Okay 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said: For your information I've been to 46 Green Day shows over many years not hundreds. I love Green Day. I love their performance and I've never expected anything from Billie. As you know I'm old and if I'm in the pit I need to be able to hold onto the rail or the stage or I'd end up on the floor. Also, realistically, once you've been on the rail a seat just isn't the same! You don't know me or my life and there is a very specific reason I love Green Day so much. I grew up loving all music of every genre but my ex was as abusive DJ and when I finally managed to get away I couldn't listen to anything because it took me back to days I didn't want to remember. When I found Green Day they were untouched and fresh and I was able to find my love of music again. Plus which they're live show is second to none. I love watching Billie's silly gestures. love watching Mike play the chords to Longview and I love things like Tré doing a stupid dad dance in front of a Christmas tree! That's why I'm here. Interesting you think you know so much about me when I've never spoken to you It's very brave of you to share all this, but you are not obligated to justify your feelings to anyone. This person had no right to speak to you like that and I have reported them. I have had similar issues with this person too; they like to project their issues onto other people. Might be best just to ignore. On a somewhat unrelated note, I am now imagining either Billie seeing this horror show or one of his "people" seeing it and showing it to him, and him just being like, "Fuck it, I am leaving Instagram for good this time." This is why we can't have nice things.... 3 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: I do include myself in it. Just saying don't speak for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said: For your information I've been to 46 Green Day shows over many years not hundreds. I love Green Day. I love their performance and I've never expected anything from Billie. As you know I'm old and if I'm in the pit I need to be able to hold onto the rail or the stage or I'd end up on the floor. Also, realistically, once you've been on the rail a seat just isn't the same! You don't know me or my life and there is a very specific reason I love Green Day so much. I grew up loving all music of every genre but my ex was as abusive DJ and when I finally managed to get away I couldn't listen to anything because it took me back to days I didn't want to remember. When I found Green Day they were untouched and fresh and I was able to find my love of music again. Plus which they're live show is second to none. I love watching Billie's silly gestures. love watching Mike play the chords to Longview and I love things like Tré doing a stupid dad dance in front of a Christmas tree! That's why I'm here. Interesting you think you know so much about me when I've never spoken to you You don't know me either and yet you called me unhealthy so don't dish it out if you can't take it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 While I am here I'd also like to add that I'm here on this forum to post pictures people might like to see, an article I find that might be of interest, a tweet I see that's relevant, stuff like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said: You don't know me either and yet you called me unhealthy so don't dish it out if you can't take it. No one called you unhealthy. They called the position you took in your post unhealthy. Those are two very different things. Anyway, keep going because I just keep reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: You don't know me either and yet you called me unhealthy so don't dish it out if you can't take it. You openly stated how you felt which invites comment. Your comment, however, was baseless and nasty assumptions about someone you don't know. I merely stated my opinion on your position 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Just now, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said: You openly stated how you felt which invites comment. Your comment, however, was baseless and nasty assumptions about someone you know. I merely stated my opinion on your position I did not personally attack any other users on here. There are no rules against stating how you feel. I was attacked personally for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I don’t know how about you but lately I’ve only been in this fandom solely in order to read fic about BJA being sodomized. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Anyway here's a nice photo of Billie 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Beerjeezus said: I don’t know how about you but lately I’ve only been in this fandom solely in order to read fic about BJA being sodomized. This takes me back about a year to when many of you liked to complain about the "fantasizing" going on here and how it was disrespectful to Billie, but all this expectation now of a social media relationship and questioning Billie's mental health when he fails to provide one is *totally not disrespectful*. 🙄 Anyway, my hopes for his new Instagram stint include lots of Lenny content and at least one more pee video--because you can never have too many pee videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, Lady Mix-A-Lot said: This takes me back about a year to when many of you liked to complain about the "fantasizing" going on here and how it was disrespectful to Billie, but all this expectation now of a social media relationship and questioning Billie's mental health when he fails to provide one is *totally not disrespectful*. 🙄 All I talked about in my post was explicit rpf so I don’t know what you’re getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: All I talked about in my post was explicit rpf so I don’t know what you’re getting at. I am not really getting at anything, just marveling at how far the thread has gone off the rails. And I guess I am just always surprised when sexual things come up here now since everyone always seemed to get so upset when anything sexual came up. And making a joke LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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