Green Day, Manager Pat Magnarella Part After 21 Years

[LaughingClock]

14 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

 

Agree 100%. From all my experinces with Pat, I have absolutely nothing negative to say about the man. He's been kind even when he had no reason to. And when I finally got to meet him in person, he was exactly the type of person you'd want to be involved with a band you cared about.

To know him at all is to love him.  Like I said, people in "powerful" positions get a bad wrap because of disgruntled fans.  Forget about the 1000's he's gone out of his way to have Billie meet dying caner patients, and other things he's done.  Just a quality man.  

 

EDIT:: I am gonna bail. I am in the GDC vortex and if I don't leave this computer, I'll be posting all night and I must get ready.

I love you all. Truly. I absolutely adore this community.  Such a weird kind of relationship but it's a real one.  Peace y'all.

[Caroline Truong]

How come Billie, Mike or Tre didn't mention anything about Pat departed in thier latest posts on Ig..or have official statement?

maybe it fake news?

[LaughingClock]

Way off topic but I want all to watch.

Gorillaz are live at Outside Lands.  Do yourself a favor and watch:

 

https://www.go90.com/videos/30ICjQYfhgB

[letsdanceon]

22 minutes ago, LaughingClock said:

To know him at all is to love him.  Like I said, people in "powerful" positions get a bad wrap because of disgruntled fans.  Forget about the 1000's he's gone out of his way to have Billie meet dying caner patients, and other things he's done.  Just a quality man.  

 

EDIT:: I am gonna bail. I am in the GDC vortex and if I don't leave this computer, I'll be posting all night and I must get ready.

I love you all. Truly. I absolutely adore this community.  Such a weird kind of relationship but it's a real one.  Peace y'all.

I try not to post in threads like this because I feel like I'm being disrespectful speculating when it's really not my place, but I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Such quality people, from the band to their management, and reading things like I saw in this thread always reinforce that special something I saw in them all those years ago as a snot-nosed adolescent. The comment you made earlier about "Billie appreciating his fans even more than they appreciate him" or however you put it just sums it all up. 

I have a friend whose husband worked closely with Rancid before, and therefore was around Green Day when projects overlapped. They told me it was probably a good thing I haven't met them even though I've been hoping to for the last 20+ years, because they "didn't seem to appreciate their fans and weren't very nice." I absolutely refused to believe that, and I'm not sure what on earth would cause them to have such a misconstrued view of the band, but I know that it would never in a million years be true. Obviously there are many examples to the contrary, but for me being present at the "surprise" Green Day/Sweet Children show in Cleveland before their rock hall induction was enough to completely disprove such a statement. You could feel the mutual respect and admiration the band and its fans had for each other; it was palpable just standing in the room. You could read it on their faces. It was genuine and pure and beautiful. 

Best of luck to everyone involved, and thanks for your insight into the situation @LaughingClock

[tdlyon]

If Billie somehow actually encouraged somebody to kill Trump just by shouting it onstage he would be an American hero

[LaughingClock]

12 minutes ago, tdlyon said:

If Billie somehow actually encouraged somebody to kill Trump just by shouting it onstage he would be an American hero

HAHAHAHA! Awesome. 

[WhiteTim]

15 minutes ago, tdlyon said:

If Billie somehow actually encouraged somebody to kill Trump just by shouting it onstage he would be an American hero

It'd also land Billie in prison as well...

[gaslight13]

11 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

It'd also land Billie in prison as well...

Would it?  Maybe in a court room but is he really legally responsible if someone takes him too literally? 

I wonder if he's gotten the secret service's attention at this point, haha. It amuses me, thinking that probably someone's job in the US gov't right now is to watch all his livestreams and posts to keep an eye out for more threats hahaha. 

[WhiteTim]

11 minutes ago, gaslight13 said:

Would it?  Maybe in a court room but is he really legally responsible if someone takes him too literally? 

I wonder if he's gotten the secret service's attention at this point, haha. It amuses me, thinking that probably someone's job in the US gov't right now is to watch all his livestreams and posts to keep an eye out for more threats hahaha. 

yes altho it'd might be a difficult deal 

look at the woman who is going to prison for texting a guy to kill himself 

[Emilie]

26 minutes ago, gaslight13 said:

I wonder if he's gotten the secret service's attention at this point, haha. It amuses me, thinking that probably someone's job in the US gov't right now is to watch all his livestreams and posts to keep an eye out for more threats hahaha. 

 

well the singer from Peter and the Test Tube Babies was apparently not allowed into the country because he dressed up as Trump once  so it wouldn't surprise me if Billie was on some watchlist

[gaslight13]

21 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

yes altho it'd might be a difficult deal 

look at the woman who is going to prison for texting a guy to kill himself 

She persuaded that guy for days and sent hundreds of texts specifically to him and even when he was changing his mind, pressured him to do it anyway. And I think she's just getting house arrest and being charged with manslaughter. Billie didn't single out a specific fan, talk to him/her about how to do it, encourage them to, yell at them for not being brave enough, etc.

Also, if he does get in trouble he has an advantage in being rich. I was reading up on this and one of the possible consequences of actually threatening the president (which is more direct than suggesting others do it), is like a $250,000 fine.

 

8 minutes ago, Emilie said:

 

well the singer from Peter and the Test Tube Babies was apparently not allowed into the country because he dressed up as Trump once  so it wouldn't surprise me if Billie was on some watchlist

They're English though right? It's a little harder to kick out an American citizen. Especially since we love arresting people in this country . I just hope he doesn't escalate it and say HE wants to kill Trump. They might see that as more of a direct threat. Personally, I love that he says what many of us say in private and would love to shout to thousands of people, but it's not worth jail.  
 

[Emilie]

3 minutes ago, gaslight13 said:

 

 

They're English though right? It's a little harder to kick out an American citizen. Especially since we love arresting people in this country . I just hope he doesn't escalate it and say HE wants to kill Trump. They might see that as more of a direct threat. Personally, I love that he says what many of us say in private and would love to shout to thousands of people, but it's not worth jail.  
 

 

oh no, but if someone can be deported for dressing like Trump, then I'm sure an American could get some kind of attention for saying he should be killed

[Second favourite son]

17 minutes ago, gaslight13 said:

They're English though right? It's a little harder to kick out an American citizen.
 

It's impossible if he doesn't have dual nationality - it's illegal to deport someone with citizenship and you can't leave someone without a nationality (i.e. You can't cancel his citizenship unless he has citizenship of another country to fall back on).

[Hermione]

This thread is for talking about Pat Magnarella leaving as GD's manager 

[Todd]

I agree with @TimmyChunks. It was a really hard choice to buy tickets for two shows. I'm gonna drive 6 hours to Philly and they're probably gonna play the same setlist. I'm doing it for the slight chance they play something different. Give me JAR or Pasalacqua, something that they pull out only a few times on tour. I'll be disappointed if it's the same setlist. If they were switching it up every night, there's no doubt I would've bought tickets for 4 or 5 shows. I'd have gone out to Indiana, Ohio, maybe even Boston. 

[GreenDayTheory]

3 hours ago, Hermione said:

This thread is for talking about Pat Magnarella leaving as GD's manager 

Time to shine,Mod Team 

[Thatsername]

4 hours ago, Todd said:

I agree with @TimmyChunks. It was a really hard choice to buy tickets for two shows. I'm gonna drive 6 hours to Philly and they're probably gonna play the same setlist. I'm doing it for the slight chance they play something different. Give me JAR or Pasalacqua, something that they pull out only a few times on tour. I'll be disappointed if it's the same setlist. If they were switching it up every night, there's no doubt I would've bought tickets for 4 or 5 shows. I'd have gone out to Indiana, Ohio, maybe even Boston. 

I wish I could go to the shows you don't wanna go to. Saw them 5 times this year and I never get bored. Every GD concert is always different because the crowd and the spirit is different, doesn't depend so much on the setlist imo. But yeah, this is not the setlist thread. I just wish I could go to some more GD shows this year. No matter what setlist they play. Miss them so much 😭

[Meliciraptor]

So, to get this back on track, here's my take on it (solely based on my personal opinion): I don't really care why they decided to not work with Pat anymore. As @LaughingClock explained, it must have been a business decision caused by several factors that we'll never know cause we aren't part of their staff/inner circle and thus have no idea how they work. 

What I do care about is that instead of idling away as a band, they decided to make a huge change that will influence their future career. I think that's incredible especially for a band that's been around for 30 years. Most times, Change means progress and I can't wait to see what this means for the band. I find this really exciting! 

[pacejunkie punk]

4 minutes ago, melissi_unicorn said:

What I do care about is that instead of idling away as a band, they decided to make a huge change that will influence their future career. I think that's incredible especially for a band that's been around for 30 years. Most times, Change means progress and I can't wait to see what this means for the band. I find this really exciting! 

This is very true. They know they're at the top of their game right now and they deserve to be selling out shows and being seen and heard everywhere. They're doing what they can to make that happen. They're as ambitious as they ever were. 

[Cunt]

People saying that the setlist is a reason why they have shitty ticket sales are wrong. First off, they don't have shitty ticket sales and are doing pretty good this tour. Second, 99% of the people don't give a flying fuck what they play. At the salt lake show there were some kids behind me that were all excited and had no idea what they were going to play. I was the only one in the group that was around me that had any idea what they were going to play. I could careless what they play at this point. I was dead center in front of Billie and made eye contact with him several times and Mike pointed right at me and acknowledged me at the end of the show. They absolutely killed it, the place was packed, and they were all having fun. The 20,000 people that were there could've probably cared less what they played. If the setlist is such a big deal then why the hell are they filling these places up? Def Leppard has come to salt lake 4 years in a row and have played the same setlist every time and they sold out all 4 of those shows. The setlist does not matter. It's your performance and your ability to connect to people that matters.

 

Also, people saying that this has to do with politics. I'm a conservative. I voted for Donald Trump. (Not my first choice, and no I don't like everything he's done and am willing to call him out on it). Billie yelled "Kill Donald Trump" at the Salt Lake City show as well. I. Did. Not. Give. A. Shit!!! I, like a lot of people, don't fucking care what Billie says. Good for him on having an opinion and expressing it. I admire the guy, I think he is a brilliant performer, and his lyrics have connected with me on a deep personal level more than any other lyricist. 

[Signe]

39 minutes ago, Cunt said:

People saying that the setlist is a reason why they have shitty ticket sales are wrong. First off, they don't have shitty ticket sales and are doing pretty good this tour. Second, 99% of the people don't give a flying fuck what they play. At the salt lake show there were some kids behind me that were all excited and had no idea what they were going to play. I was the only one in the group that was around me that had any idea what they were going to play. I could careless what they play at this point. I was dead center in front of Billie and made eye contact with him several times and Mike pointed right at me and acknowledged me at the end of the show. They absolutely killed it, the place was packed, and they were all having fun. The 20,000 people that were there could've probably cared less what they played. If the setlist is such a big deal then why the hell are they filling these places up? Def Leppard has come to salt lake 4 years in a row and have played the same setlist every time and they sold out all 4 of those shows. The setlist does not matter. It's your performance and your ability to connect to people that matters.

 

Also, people saying that this has to do with politics. I'm a conservative. I voted for Donald Trump. (Not my first choice, and no I don't like everything he's done and am willing to call him out on it). Billie yelled "Kill Donald Trump" at the Salt Lake City show as well. I. Did. Not. Give. A. Shit!!! I, like a lot of people, don't fucking care what Billie says. Good for him on having an opinion and expressing it. I admire the guy, I think he is a brilliant performer, and his lyrics have connected with me on a deep personal level more than any other lyricist. 

This is true, Green Day is Always great, no matter the amount in the audience. The best show I saw this tour was in Gothenburg, only 8000 people in the crowd and they rocked it. 

Pat Magnarella quit/left/had better things to do. Green Day will still be Green Day. 

[Alan86]

50 minutes ago, Cunt said:

People saying that the setlist is a reason why they have shitty ticket sales are wrong. First off, they don't have shitty ticket sales and are doing pretty good this tour. Second, 99% of the people don't give a flying fuck what they play. At the salt lake show there were some kids behind me that were all excited and had no idea what they were going to play. I was the only one in the group that was around me that had any idea what they were going to play. I could careless what they play at this point. I was dead center in front of Billie and made eye contact with him several times and Mike pointed right at me and acknowledged me at the end of the show. They absolutely killed it, the place was packed, and they were all having fun. The 20,000 people that were there could've probably cared less what they played. If the setlist is such a big deal then why the hell are they filling these places up? Def Leppard has come to salt lake 4 years in a row and have played the same setlist every time and they sold out all 4 of those shows. The setlist does not matter. It's your performance and your ability to connect to people that matters.

Completely agree, most casual fans going to a show have no idea what the normal setlist is, so the standard setlist is not actually boring for most people. Another thing, the band has to cater to fans that have never seen the band first, and this means playing the hits. I would be absolutely pissed if I went to see a band for the first time and they chose to leave their biggest hits off the setlist. I'd want to see the best show Green Day could possibly play and they pretty much have that setlist perfected.

[TimmyChunks]

23 hours ago, LaughingClock said:

The exact correlation is their old manager was Pat Magnorella at Pat Magnorella Management and now they will new managed by Jonathan Daniel at Crush Music.

They both work for a management company and are managers.  Pat's is a little more traditional in name.

They still have CAA (Creative Artists Agency, one of the super agencies, with WME and CAA being the two top, then Gersh and Paradigm come in) as their booking agency with the same booking agent, Jenna.  I am not sure what is happening with Bill but I will find out and tell you guys. I sure hope he is staying.  Fuck if he's not.

Timmy, you're not wrong about him doing his own phone shit with tweets and instagrams but that's why I said "as I am sure you all have seen and fondly laugh".  It's sort of how I am TBH. I FB all the time and do group memberships and stuff, and I just have to know social media but Billie doesn't and that's what I am talking about. Other than general approval and shit, other people are controlling what the site looks like, the Green Day web page (not talking about his personal stuff).  I don't even know what Crush Music's artists looks like and I was just responding to the poster that if that's something you care about, it might change , it might not.  Like I said, I don't give a shit about all that BS PR anyway, I'd rather see what funny shit he tweeted rather than go to the forums at Idiot Nation or the Green Day official Facebook page which is definitely not run by him.  

But yeah, he's always communicating.  Glad you can vouch for Pat because that almost upset me that post.  It happens all the time to people in those positions.  One person says something because somehow they didn't make him happy but PM is literally one of the nicest guys you can hope to meet.  Respect.

Cool- you're really insightful as always. Also, huge props for the general music knowledge and live set critique. If the stars stay aligned I should see them in a couple weeks and I will absolutely ask about the management change. If you happen to know them please PM me beforehand- such a small world. 

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

On 8/13/2017 at 3:52 AM, TimmyChunks said:

I am not sure what is happening with Bill but I will find out and tell you guys. I sure hope he is staying.  Fuck if he's not.

Bill as in Schneider or someone else because Schneider left in 2012. 

[Stefano Bras]

On 11/8/2017 at 4:59 PM, Billie Hoe said:

Well now I'm curious

(Although he did a fine job managing Green Day, so "fan stories" about being rude or something like that would be irrelevant to how an effective manager he was - if that is what you were suggesting)

On 11/8/2017 at 10:51 PM, LaughingClock said:

About who???  Pat? One of the nicest people you'll ever meet.  He is a fucking awesome manager, person and he truly cares about the people he loves and that includes one Billie Joe Armstrong. I don't know who you spoke with but they don't know Pat well.  You probably "met someone" who he didn't let backstage or something one night and therefore "he's a dick". No, he just cant say yes to everything.  He put off his own money to help Billie get better, he has been their manager for over 2 decades for a reason.  As you grow, you will see bands change managers like t-shirts.  There is a reason he lasted that long and it's not because he has "bad things".

The stories I've heard are indeed irrelevant to how an effective manager he was. 

It's not like he kill anyone or something haha, it's just that I have a few friends around the globe that have told me that he wasn't necessarily the nicest man when they interacted with him, I'm not even talking about not getting backstage, I'm talking about him many times refusing to let fans just take a pic or two with the band.

Yeah, it may seem far fetched or silly, but I do trust them.

P.D I'm not saying he was a bad person or bad manager, I'm just saying that I've heard he could've been more respectful during those situations.