Green Day, Manager Pat Magnarella Part After 21 Years

[Caroline Truong]

2 hours ago, luketrebilliemike said:

But they can do that under any label

the boys has more freedom to do what ever they wanted..in small and independent label like "crush" not any label can't do that?.

[strangestat]

8 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

I'm not saying it is the reason or a reason he left. I was simply correcting your quote earlier. Like I said yesterday we never knew what was going on behind the scenes in 2012 until Billie told us some stuff in the Rolling Stone interview a year later. There is no way to know if this is totally amicable or there was a vicious argument and Pat was left along a highway somewhere  We have seen a spike in Billie acting "wilder" lately doing stuff like smashing up the car, encouraging the people to run naked across the arena and yelling "Kill Donald Trump". Totally unrelated to Pat's departure? Possibly. However there's a nagging part of my brain that can't forget when Bill Schneider suddenly left.

Out of the loop: What happened to Bill Schneider?

8 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

I'm not saying it is the reason or a reason he left. I was simply correcting your quote earlier. Like I said yesterday we never knew what was going on behind the scenes in 2012 until Billie told us some stuff in the Rolling Stone interview a year later. There is no way to know if this is totally amicable or there was a vicious argument and Pat was left along a highway somewhere  We have seen a spike in Billie acting "wilder" lately doing stuff like smashing up the car, encouraging the people to run naked across the arena and yelling "Kill Donald Trump". Totally unrelated to Pat's departure? Possibly. However there's a nagging part of my brain that can't forget when Bill Schneider suddenly left.

Out of the loop: What happened to Bill Schneider?

[Beerjeezus]

32 minutes ago, strangestat said:

Out of the loop: What happened to Bill Schneider?

Out of the loop: What happened to Bill Schneider?

He left in 2012, reason unknown (some people assume it had something to do with Billie's issues atm)

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

40 minutes ago, strangestat said:

Out of the loop: What happened to Bill Schneider?

Out of the loop: What happened to Bill Schneider?

He left abruptly in September 2012, no reason given. 

[Billie Hoe]

1 hour ago, Stefano Bras said:

I've just heard bad things about that guy from people I know who met him so I'm glad he left.

Well now I'm curious

(Although he did a fine job managing Green Day, so "fan stories" about being rude or something like that would be irrelevant to how an effective manager he was - if that is what you were suggesting)

[Ross_19]

Just saw a bit of that article (by variety I think) linking them with Crush Music management. I hope that's not true... artists under them so I follow have such annoying social media, pestering for likes, retweets and taking way too many opportunities to squeeze money out of fans. The primary culprit being Fall Out Boy. Hopefully this changing management won't effect their social media personality 

[Signe]

1 minute ago, Ross_19 said:

Just saw a bit of that article (by variety I think) linking them with Crush Music management. I hope that's not true... artists under them so I follow have such annoying social media, pestering for likes, retweets and taking way too many opportunities to squeeze money out of fans. The primary culprit being Fall Out Boy. Hopefully this changing management won't effect their social media personality 

I dont know anything about labels. 

But at same time...any change in their social media performance/personality  would be great. Go get bigger.

[Beerjeezus]

5 minutes ago, Ross_19 said:

Just saw a bit of that article (by variety I think) linking them with Crush Music management. I hope that's not true... artists under them so I follow have such annoying social media, pestering for likes, retweets and taking way too many opportunities to squeeze money out of fans. The primary culprit being Fall Out Boy. Hopefully this changing management won't effect their social media personality 

Holy shit I hope this doesn't happen...however there isn't much to ruin about their social media, 

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

Geez, everyone is so "doom and gloom" and the announcement was just made yesterday. Has anyone even considered the possibility that this could be a positive change?

[Ross_19]

8 minutes ago, Signe said:

I dont know anything about labels. 

But at same time...any change in their social media performance/personality  would be great. Go get bigger.

I'm all for them ramping it up a bit, with more posts of pics from each show (especially on Instagram) because the official Green Day accounts don't do enough to document / publicise shows in my opinion, even if it's just a simple pic with a thank you, the official account seems to sporadically select one in every three or four shows and go 'oh let's post about this one'. 

 

So yeah I'm all for them stepping up the activity, but if it get anything like some of the other artists who use Crush then I'll be turning off post notifications. The YouTuber Beyond ARTV has spoken about Crush in a video before, I would recommend searching for it and giving it a watch

[pacejunkie punk]

They could have more of a social media presence for sure, but hopefully stay involved enough to say no to squeezing money out of fans. 

[Billie Hoe]

2 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

Geez, everyone is so "doom and gloom" and the announcement was just made yesterday. Has anyone even considered the possibility that this could be a positive change?

I'm hopeful  I've been complaining about their social media for quite a while, so I hope that will change. 

[Bastard of 1967]

13 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

Geez, everyone is so "doom and gloom" and the announcement was just made yesterday. Has anyone even considered the possibility that this could be a positive change?

Evidently live Instagram video direct from Billie, Mike, Tre, and the rest isn't good enough for some folks. 🙄

[Billie Hoe]

23 minutes ago, Bastard of 1967 said:

Evidently live Instagram video direct from Billie, Mike, Tre, and the rest isn't good enough for some folks. 🙄

Their personal social media usage is just perfect in my eyes - the official Green Day accounts however are not. The guys can't carry their own entire marketing. Their management needs to be more strategic about this, because right now it seems like the accounts are being run by a different person every day who just shares random stuff. They need to get their act together with Idiot Nation, and they have to be consistent with their Social media approach...

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

What's the world coming to? You have a manager who successfully guided a band through the highs and lows of being one of the biggest bands in rock for 21 years, helped produce some of their material and basically saved their frontman from himself but people are trying to put a positive spin on his departure because he was possibly responsible for the bands lack of social media presence (?!) which is the ultimate crime against millennials. Ugh.

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

2 hours ago, Ross_19 said:

Just saw a bit of that article (by variety I think) linking them with Crush Music management. I hope that's not true... artists under them so I follow have such annoying social media, pestering for likes, retweets and taking way too many opportunities to squeeze money out of fans. The primary culprit being Fall Out Boy. Hopefully this changing management won't effect their social media personality 

What social media personality?

[LaughingClock]

7 hours ago, Stefano Bras said:

I've just heard bad things about that guy from people I know who met him so I'm glad he left.

About who???  Pat? One of the nicest people you'll ever meet.  He is a fucking awesome manager, person and he truly cares about the people he loves and that includes one Billie Joe Armstrong. I don't know who you spoke with but they don't know Pat well.  You probably "met someone" who he didn't let backstage or something one night and therefore "he's a dick". No, he just cant say yes to everything.  He put off his own money to help Billie get better, he has been their manager for over 2 decades for a reason.  As you grow, you will see bands change managers like t-shirts.  There is a reason he lasted that long and it's not because he has "bad things".

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

7 hours ago, LaughingClock said:

What date is that show? We should probably pull this on PM as it's way off topic but yeah, my daughter starts kindergarten on the 28th! Can't believe it.

To swing it just a little bit back on topic, I'm gonna take her to her first show at the Rose Bowl show.  so looking forward to that and so is she. My wife has been infecting her mind with pure pop crap and she's liking it. I had her loving nothing but the best but now she is liking good music and some not so good. Lol. I might make the Austin show. Let's see how these next setlists go. If even a chance of a couple different songs and maybe. I'm supposed to meet some people at wrigley but think I'm canceling that show too. Be well brother.

Yeah, nothing to worry about. Well plenty to worry about but not with GD. As I said earlier, the acquisition of a hot new manager is a sign of desired longevity, not the opposite. Personally, I love Pat and his team and so I'm a little bummed but I'm glad they went with Crush. Daniel is fucking awesome. Look for some good changes. Things that he may "demand" that needs demanding. Without getting into it, this tour exposed a lot of leaks in the roof.

Sorry we keep pestering you but love your insight. About this tour exposing leaks in the roof. I take it you're referring to ticket sales? The guys seem pretty happy this tour so it doesn't seem like it's an intrinsic problem within the band. Also am I correct in reading from your other post that the set list and predictability of the shows is one of the reasons they're not selling out? Isn't that something they could have changed between legs of the tour then? I'm a little confused about that.

[LaughingClock]

3 hours ago, Ross_19 said:

Just saw a bit of that article (by variety I think) linking them with Crush Music management. I hope that's not true... artists under them so I follow have such annoying social media, pestering for likes, retweets and taking way too many opportunities to squeeze money out of fans. The primary culprit being Fall Out Boy. Hopefully this changing management won't effect their social media personality 

It might only because Billie isn't really into controlling the social media aspect of shit.  He barely knows how to use his phone as I am sure you guys have all seen in his instgram shit and tweets.  He hates that shit and thinks it represents the downfall of society.  So don't look for him caring or controlling what management want to do with their social media presence (and personally that shit doesn't matter to be one bit) but from a management standpoint, it doesn't get a lot better than Crush and Daniel in particular.  These are quality people.

[WhiteTim]

7 hours ago, Caroline Truong said:

the boys has more freedom to do what ever they wanted..in small and independent label like "crush" not any label can't do that?.

It isn't a music label they're still on Reprise/WMG thy switched management companies so instead of being managed by Pat Magnarella Management  they're now managed by Crush Music 

[LaughingClock]

12 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said:

Sorry we keep pestering you but love your insight. About this tour exposing leaks in the roof. I take it you're referring to ticket sales? The guys seem pretty happy this tour so it doesn't seem like it's an intrinsic problem within the band. Also am I correct in reading from your other post that the set list and predictability of the shows is one of the reasons they're not selling out? Isn't that something they could have changed between legs of the tour then? I'm a little confused about that.

Well for sure, I guess the no so subtile innuendos were meant to give you some food for thought but I am not going to put my neck out and say what anyone other than myself is thinking and yes, it's an educated thought.  As for the setlist discussion and whether I personally think not playing the same list every night would help them, like most people, if not all, I think yes.

There are some artists/bands that have to play their hits.  Barry Mannilow for example.  If he tried to do a tour and play nothing but songs from some new album or an old album, then nobody would go to his shows. People want to hear Mandy, I Wrote The Songs, and Copa Cabana (btw, I fucking love Manilow, say something )but Green Day I believe is a band who would benefit by catering to their hardcore base which is VERY LARGE and play songs that would bring the hardcore fans out to more shows and they definitely would by changing the setlist to a nightly thing like Pearl Jam, Springsteen, Phish, and the others I mentioned.  It's jut my opinion but from what I know of this industry and my hunches are pretty good, is that Green Day would strongly benefit in the way of ticket sales by changing up their setlist and Billie letting go of being nervous to not disappoint the crowd (by the way, its also this fact that makes every FUCKING show good.  There are ZERO bad Green Day shows.  Only ones that are not as good.  I've bee to many bad concerts from other bands that are otherwise good often.  They are the best performers which is what is frustrating about it but it is also what drives Billie to perfection.  HE WANTS TO MAKE YOU MOVE.  Even at TV gigs, he gets off when the cameras are away and he's playing to the fans.  That's why I love Green Day is they love their fans, well Billie, more than they love him even.  So it's hard to criticize).  It would have a growing pain of about a month tops, and then when people see new lists every night, I think the hardcore fans would pounce and ticket prices would not only sell out easily (they sell out most of their arenas now and amphitheaters, and the Rose Bowl is in the 70th row now), but yeah, tickets would go in minutes for every show if they played a different show every night.  He's the best front man on the national stage. But The Killers do the same thing, and by the way Brandon Flowers is also an incredible front man.  Totally different but absolutely electric.  

I've gone off track here but Ronnie Vanucci of The Killers is the best rock drummer on the circuit.  Ave Laborial is probably the best drummer of all (he plays for Paul McCartney's band though but that dude is fucking sick), then Ronnie, and then Tre are the current best rock drummers in the world IMHO.

 

Go to 25 seconds and just watch and this is just some shitty youtube video from a phone. This is the only musician who gives me a an actual boner to watch. Seriously, can you say "boner" and not laugh?  Try. I dare you.

 

 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

Thanks @LaughingClock. I love your enthusiasm and obvious love for the music and artists. And I'm totally with you on The Killers, they are way up there in my list.

I for one am excited to see what changes come with new management, even though it's obviously sad to have to let go of someone so dear to them. I feel like, all things considered, it's absolutely necessary for the band to be able to stay in the game and thrive.

 

[TimmyChunks]

24 minutes ago, LaughingClock said:

It might only because Billie isn't really into controlling the social media aspect of shit.  He barely knows how to use his phone as I am sure you guys have all seen in his instgram shit and tweets.  He hates that shit and thinks it represents the downfall of society.  So don't look for him caring or controlling what management want to do with their social media presence (and personally that shit doesn't matter to be one bit) but from a management standpoint, it doesn't get a lot better than Crush and Daniel in particular.  These are quality people.

I totally agree with everything you said about Pat being one of the good guys- because he is. I don't know him well but any (albeit limited) interaction I've had has been nothing but positive. I wish him nothing but the best.

The one thing I know a little more about is Billie's phone usage- again, I don't know much, but I did see him using his phone quite a bit. It's not rocket science to use an iPhone, either- my little kids can do it. I used to actually not believe he personally used his own phone much or actually posted to social media himself (funny, right? I just assumed the label and/ or an assistant did everything). But he does, and it's probably because I'm just another boring fan and he was looking for a distraction but when I was lucky enough to be around them he was on that thing quite a bit. So whenever I've seen the Instagram live stuff where he's messing around and "trying to turn it off" I've taken it with a grain of salt as him just pretending he doesn't know how to use his phone. Just messing with everyone a bit and dicking around. Hey I'm a huge rock star, I don't understand this social media kind of thing.

So that's the only thing I know based on observation. I have no idea what the dynamic was between the band and Pat, I just hope they're all in a good place and obviously wish them all well in every way possible.

13 minutes ago, LaughingClock said:

Well for sure, I guess the no so subtile innuendos were meant to give you some food for thought but I am not going to put my neck out and say what anyone other than myself is thinking and yes, it's an educated thought.  As for the setlist discussion and whether I personally think not playing the same list every night would help them, like most people, if not all, I think yes.

There are some artists/bands that have to play their hits.  Barry Mannilow for example.  If he tried to do a tour and play nothing but songs from some new album or an old album, then nobody would go to his shows. People want to hear Mandy, I Wrote The Songs, and Copa Cabana (btw, I fucking love Manilow, say something )but Green Day I believe is a band who would benefit by catering to their hardcore base which is VERY LARGE and play songs that would bring the hardcore fans out to more shows and they definitely would by changing the setlist to a nightly thing like Pearl Jam, Springsteen, Phish, and the others I mentioned.  It's jut my opinion but from what I know of this industry and my hunches are pretty good, is that Green Day would strongly benefit in the way of ticket sales by changing up their setlist and Billie letting go of being nervous to not disappoint the crowd (by the way, its also this fact that makes every FUCKING show good.  There are ZERO bad Green Day shows.  Only ones that are not as good.  I've bee to many bad concerts from other bands that are otherwise good often.  They are the best performers which is what is frustrating about it but it is also what drives Billie to perfection.  HE WANTS TO MAKE YOU MOVE.  Even at TV gigs, he gets off when the cameras are away and he's playing to the fans.  That's why I love Green Day is they love their fans, well Billie, more than they love him even.  So it's hard to criticize).  It would have a growing pain of about a month tops, and then when people see new lists every night, I think the hardcore fans would pounce and ticket prices would not only sell out easily (they sell out most of their arenas now and amphitheaters, and the Rose Bowl is in the 70th row now), but yeah, tickets would go in minutes for every show if they played a different show every night.  He's the best front man on the national stage. But The Killers do the same thing, and by the way Brandon Flowers is also an incredible front man.  Totally different but absolutely electric.  

I've gone off track here but Ronnie Vanucci of The Killers is the best rock drummer on the circuit.  Ave Laborial is probably the best drummer of all (he plays for Paul McCartney's band though but that dude is fucking sick), then Ronnie, and then Tre are the current best rock drummers in the world IMHO.

 

Go to 25 seconds and just watch and this is just some shitty youtube video from a phone. This is the only musician who gives me a an actual boner to watch. Seriously, can you say "boner" and not laugh?  Try. I dare you.

 

 

Agree with this post 100%- as usual re: the setlist stuff, you are spot on. Well said in every way.

EDIT- just wanted to add a tangible example to reinforce your point. I, as a kind of die hard fan, am going to 2 shows this tour- and buying tickets for the second show was tough to stomach knowing they'll likely be very similar sets. If they were making each night more distinct or noticeably different I'd be catching 4-6 shows, easy. So there's some direct proof regarding your theory around ticket sales.

[LaughingClock]

On 8/11/2017 at 8:05 PM, WhiteTim said:

It isn't a music label they're still on Reprise/WMG thy switched management companies so instead of being managed by Pat Magnarella Management  they're now managed by Crush Music 

The exact correlation is their old manager was Pat Magnorella at Pat Magnorella Management and now they will new managed by Jonathan Daniel at Crush Music.

They both work for a management company and are managers.  Pat's is a little more traditional in name.

They still have CAA (Creative Artists Agency, one of the super agencies, with WME and CAA being the two top, then Gersh and Paradigm come in) as their booking agency with the same booking agent, Jenna.  I am not sure what is happening with Bill but I will find out and tell you guys. I sure hope he is staying well and sane.  Fuck if he's not.

On 8/11/2017 at 8:14 PM, TimmyChunks said:

I totally agree with everything you said about Pat being one of the good guys- because he is. I don't know him well but any (albeit limited) interaction I've had has been nothing but positive. I wish him nothing but the best.

The one thing I know a little more about is Billie's phone usage- again, I don't know much, but I did see him using his phone quite a bit. It's not rocket science to use an iPhone, either- my little kids can do it. I used to actually not believe he personally used his own phone much or actually posted to social media himself (funny, right? I just assumed the label and/ or an assistant did everything). But he does, and it's probably because I'm just another boring fan and he was looking for a distraction but when I was lucky enough to be around them he was on that thing quite a bit. So whenever I've seen the Instagram live stuff where he's messing around and "trying to turn it off" I've taken it with a grain of salt as him just pretending he doesn't know how to use his phone. Just messing with everyone a bit and dicking around. Hey I'm a huge rock star, I don't understand this social media kind of thing.

So that's the only thing I know based on observation. I have no idea what the dynamic was between the band and Pat, I just hope they're all in a good place and obviously wish them all well in every way possible.

Agree with this post 100%- as usual re: the setlist stuff, you are spot on. Well said in every way.

Timmy, you're not wrong about him doing his own phone shit with tweets and instagrams but that's why I said "as I am sure you all have seen and fondly laugh".  It's sort of how I am TBH. I FB all the time and do group memberships and stuff, and I just have to know social media but Billie doesn't and that's what I am talking about. Other than general approval and shit, other people are controlling what the site looks like, the Green Day web page (not talking about his personal stuff).  I don't even know what Crush Music's artists looks like and I was just responding to the poster that if that's something you care about, it might change , it might not.  Like I said, I don't give a shit about all that BS PR anyway, I'd rather see what funny shit he tweeted rather than go to the forums at Idiot Nation or the Green Day official Facebook page which is definitely not run by him.  

But yeah, he's always communicating.  Glad you can vouch for Pat because that almost upset me that post.  It happens all the time to people in those positions.  One person says something because somehow they didn't make him happy but PM is literally one of the nicest guys you can hope to meet.  Respect.

[Fuzz]

10 hours ago, Justin1 said:

All I'm saying is that the guitar smashing into the Subaru and yelling 'Kill Donald Trump' is the EXACT same behaviour as his 'iheart meltdown', aside from being wasted while doing it. 

It's not the EXACT behavior. It's not even on the same level, in anyway whatsoever. Billie Joe is allowed to be a little crazy without it meaning some disaster is right around the bend. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, no matter how definitively you say it.

35 minutes ago, LaughingClock said:

About who???  Pat? One of the nicest people you'll ever meet.  He is a fucking awesome manager, person and he truly cares about the people he loves and that includes one Billie Joe Armstrong. I don't know who you spoke with but they don't know Pat well.  You probably "met someone" who he didn't let backstage or something one night and therefore "he's a dick". No, he just cant say yes to everything.  He put off his own money to help Billie get better, he has been their manager for over 2 decades for a reason.  As you grow, you will see bands change managers like t-shirts.  There is a reason he lasted that long and it's not because he has "bad things".

Agree 100%. From all my experinces with Pat, I have absolutely nothing negative to say about the man. He's been kind even when he had no reason to. And when I finally got to meet him in person, he was exactly the type of person you'd want to be involved with a band you cared about.