Green Day, Manager Pat Magnarella Part After 21 Years

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

10 hours ago, neverdone2000 said:

Billie will always be Billie. These are just the kinds of things he has always done and isn't going to stop doing. I think his manager is more than aware and adjusted to this. If they were major problems they would have made the news, and there wasn't even a blip. And I'm sure that the new manager is fully aware that Billie is impulsive and unpredictable. The live puppet video after the show was proof to me that he and the people around him were fully in control and feeling lighthearted.

 

10 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

It's not always the case that if there were major problems they would have made the news when you consider that none of us knew that Pat had been trying to get Billie to go to rehab in the summer of 2012 when the guys were in the UK. No major problems made the news but evidently shit was hitting the fan behind the scenes. We only know bits and pieces of what went on then from what Billie told us afterwards. Otherwise we never would have known a thing. We also wouldn't have known that Pat was the one pushing him to go to rehab the entire time and the one who succeeded in getting him to go eventually. The point being we have absolutely no idea what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe they parted mid tour for the hell of it but just as easily Pat could have genuine reasons for leaving. 

 

10 hours ago, neverdone2000 said:

Oh Lord never mind. If I knew we would get back to this I would have never commented. I am officially dropping the subject.

 

10 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Fair enough. It is however the best example of how "major problems" do not always make the news for many years.

 

The conversation above is where you took the final  quote from. You posted "Except this doesn't really seem like a major problem. They are changing manager we don't really know why so stop speculating to fuck"

 

 

37 minutes ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

Except this doesnt really seem like a major problem. They are changing manager we dont know why exactly so stop speculating to fuck

15 minutes ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

Wow very grown up of you. I didnt take any of what you said out of context .  

 

 

At no point did I suggest the fact that they were changing managers was a major problem. I was pointing out, rather factually, that just because something isn't in the news doesn't mean it isn't happening. We've been there before with this band. You took my quote out of context. Very grown up of you.

23 minutes ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

that quote above directly contradicts itself. ''Im n ot saying its the reason he left.'' followed later by '' Totally unrelated to Pat's departure? Possibly'' So you basically just said you still think there is a possiblity it is related therefore speculating that it is related.  

 

It's not directly contradicting itself. It's recognising that any situation is possible. See before you started quoting me out of context and demanding I stop speculating about stuff perhaps it would have been smart to read all my posts properly and note that I've stated that NONE OF US KNOW WHATS GOING ON BEHIND THE FUCKING SCENES. I've only said it a few dozen times. I've said Pat could have left amicably or not. You choose to be a dick and misunderstand my posts or just be mad because I write the possibilities that many are probably considering anyway...maybe it was amicable but maybe not. That's not a contradiction that's understanding we don't have the facts. Duh.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

Let's be honest, him screaming "kill Donald Trump" is just saying what a lot of America is thinking but too scared to say.  

[Justin]

13 hours ago, Justin1 said:

There's a difference between contributing a song to a rock against Bush album and inciting violence or hatred towards the president. And the whole Iheart was admittedly Billie's demons.

I'm not saying I care or disagree with what Billie says, but from a 'serious manager/non fan perspective' it's probably not an easy thing to deal with, and this is the most unhinged they've ever been (without drug abuse as a reason) 

This post made me feel uncomfortable. Uncomfortable in the fact that anyone skimming over usernames would think I posted this ridiculous statement.

 

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

1 hour ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

 

52 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

 

Why don't we both do the "grown up" thing and just stop this here? Your posts are both creeping into "personal insults" territory.

[DeJennsitized]

Just now, Justin said:

This post made me feel uncomfortable. Uncomfortable in the fact that anyone skimming over usernames would think I posted this ridiculous statement.

 

What's tripping me out is that you joined after him and you got the username without the 1

Anyway, back on topic...a new manager could be pretty exciting. Even just the fact that it'd be a pair of fresh eyes, after Pat being with them for so long.

[Justin]

6 minutes ago, Jenn. said:

What's tripping me out is that you joined after him and you got the username without the 1

Basically I had an account under Justin around American idiot era, I then stopped using GDC and returned in 2009ish forgetting I had an account. Then maybe 4/5 years back I realized I also had the account Justin. So I asked Andres to delete it and change my username back so I didn't lose all my content. 😂

[EmmaCharlatan&Saints]

6 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

Why don't we both do the "grown up" thing and just stop this here? Your posts are both creeping into "personal insults" territory.

Fair enough.  

[pacejunkie punk]

So we know the band takes these business relationships seriously as it's not easy to find people in the industry that you can trust and understand you. They've been together almost 30 years, been with the same label for 24 years, same manager for 21, Rob Cavallo, Chris Dugan have been with them for decades, etc. They don't jump around unless it's for a specific reason.  They maintain a tight inner circle.

They had managers that helped them get signed that they fired sometime after Woodstock (?) Something to do with they didn't like the decisions they were making on the bands behalf.

After 2012, they fired their agent, apparently for overscheduling them to the point of exhaustion? Pat could have been called out on this too but wasn't, maybe due to their strong relationship.

Now this tour they've had two PR disasters recently back to back -- Glasgow and Mad Cool. Green Day gets hammered in the press for both incidents neither of which were the band's fault.  In both cases, the band themselves had to take to social media and/or speak directly to the public to explain themselves.  They hate to cancel shows and we know that made them angry and Billie seemed pretty upset and pissed over the way they were represented in the media after the acrobat's death.

Both were preventable incidents with different management decisions (better oversight of one, better communication with the other). It's been about 6 weeks since then enough time for decisions to be made and for new deals to happen.  Now they are announcing new management mid-tour.

This looks to me like a decision made by the band over the events of the tour as opposed to any behavior by the band that would be nothing new (remember Tower Records in NY?).

Besides, had this been a decison of Pat being fed up a leaving the band wouldn't have been prepared with a statement of who they were signing with so fast, so this was a band decision that points to mismanagement or a mutual decision.

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

13 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

So we know the band takes these business relationships seriously as it's not easy to find people in the industry that you can trust and understand you. They've been together almost 30 years, been with the same label for 24 years, same manager for 21, Rob Cavallo, Chris Dugan have been with them for decades, etc. They don't jump around unless it's for a specific reason.  They maintain a tight inner circle.

They had managers that helped them get signed that they fired sometime after Woodstock (?) Something to do with they didn't like the decisions they were making on the bands behalf.

After 2012, they fired their agent, apparently for overscheduling them to the point of exhaustion? Pat could have been called out on this too but wasn't, maybe due to their strong relationship.

Now this tour they've had two PR disasters recently back to back -- Glasgow and Mad Cool. Green Day gets hammered in the press for both incidents neither of which were the band's fault.  In both cases, the band themselves had to take to social media and/or speak directly to the public to explain themselves.  They hate to cancel shows and we know that made them angry and Billie seemed pretty upset and pissed over the way they were represented in the media after the acrobat's death.

Both were preventable incidents with different management decisions (better oversight of one, better communication with the other). It's been about 6 weeks since then enough time for decisions to be made and for new deals to happen.  Now they are announcing new management mid-tour.

This looks to me like a decision made by the band over the events of the tour as opposed to any behavior by the band that would be nothing new (remember Tower Records in NY?).

Besides, had this been a decison of Pat being fed up a leaving the band wouldn't have been prepared with a statement of who they were signing with so fast, so this was a band decision that points to mismanagement or a mutual decision.

This is the best post of the thread and everything in it is spot on. Their management's handling of Glasgow and Mad Cool was inexcusable. And I was just getting ready to post that if this was due to Billie's recent behavior they wouldn't already have someone lined up. 

[Justin1]

1 hour ago, Justin said:

This post made me feel uncomfortable. Uncomfortable in the fact that anyone skimming over usernames would think I posted this ridiculous statement.

 

It makes me uncomfortable knowing that a fellow 'Justin' would blindly call a statement ridiculous without a reason. 

[Justin]

10 minutes ago, Justin1 said:

It makes me uncomfortable knowing that a fellow 'Justin' would blindly call a statement ridiculous without a reason. 

I think Hermione stated it pretty clear. Claiming he is unhinged when in fact, he's the most tame he's ever been, rarely ever stepping out of his comfort zone is ridiculous. You're clearly judging someone based on their previous actions and frankly it's ridiculous. Someone who went to rehab has to live with the fact he needed help and did things he regrets. Now every time he makes a move that seems to some as a little "wild" or "taboo" people feel the need to make wild accusations that he's "unhinged".

 

[pacejunkie punk]

32 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said:

This is the best post of the thread and everything in it is spot on. Their management's handling of Glasgow and Mad Cool was inexcusable. And I was just getting ready to post that if this was due to Billie's recent behavior they wouldn't already have someone lined up. 

If this really was the reason then I'm glad. Somebody deserved the blame for those fuckups.

[Daddy.]

Or y'know Pat wanted to retire or he just wants to do something new with the band's blessing.  

2 hours ago, Justin said:

This post made me feel uncomfortable. Uncomfortable in the fact that anyone skimming over usernames would think I posted this ridiculous statement.

 

We know it's not you. He didn't include the words "change" and "setlist" in his posts.  

[Justin1]

45 minutes ago, Justin said:

I think Hermione stated it pretty clear. Claiming he is unhinged when in fact, he's the most tame he's ever been, rarely ever stepping out of his comfort zone is ridiculous. You're clearly judging someone based on their previous actions and frankly it's ridiculous. Someone who went to rehab has to live with the fact he needed help and did things he regrets. Now every time he makes a move that seems to some as a little "wild" or "taboo" people feel the need to make wild accusations that he's "unhinged".

 

Most tame he's ever been?

This week he also called for his fans to 'Kill Donald Trump' and he's now using Green Day's platform to advance their own political beliefs, and are completely ripping opposing views, rather than respectfully disagreeing (that most professional people learn by 30).

I know a lot of this is part of their act, and I personally enjoy it.. I'm just saying that from a 'Manager Perspective' it would be a lot to deal with. You should read the comments on Green Day's facebook page from their fans when they post about Donald Trump. The casual fan that doesn't know the band as well as we do may construe this as very unhinged, and a very big turn off! 

[Justin]

23 minutes ago, Justin1 said:

Most tame he's ever been?

This week he also called for his fans to 'Kill Donald Trump' and he's now using Green Day's platform to advance their own political beliefs, and are completely ripping opposing views, rather than respectfully disagreeing (that most professional people learn by 30).

I know a lot of this is part of their act, and I personally enjoy it.. I'm just saying that from a 'Manager Perspective' it would be a lot to deal with. You should read the comments on Green Day's facebook page from their fans when they post about Donald Trump. The casual fan that doesn't know the band as well as we do may construe this as very unhinged, and a very big turn off! 

He smashed a guitar against a car which in turn sent the crowd into a wild frenzy. Billie is an incredible attention seeker, he does things for a reaction. Let's go back to 04/05 when he would always say fuck George bush. Brandon Flowers even came out and said Billie is a smart man who chose to do Bullet In A Bible in England so he would chant Bush hate and would get the biggest reaction because let's face it, you'll find 99% of us Brits will jump on anything that ridicules the US.

Not going to try and talk to much politics without credibility so correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't follow the election that closely. Is he choosing more democratic states to talk about Trump hate, didn't Washington, Oregon and California all vote democrats. Is he going to scream Kill Trump in Texas next month? I'd be surprised. 

This is nothing about unhinged, this is him doing things to get the crowd buzzing and eating out his hands which guess what they did.

[Guest]

Meh, why is this a big deal 

[LaughingClock]

13 hours ago, Fuzz said:

I hope we can. We still have a good relationship with other people who work directly with the band, so I'm not terribly worried. But it would still be nice to have that person we can always email when looking for information.

It's impossible to say. As someone said, it could be mutual. It could just be a shift in what they're looking for at this stage in their career. That doesn't mean anything negative, just a change.

Andres, there is nothing to worry about either way.

I guarantee you Daniel will be in touch with you guys and probably be even more hands on.

Pat and Marta are some of the nicest people in the business. I know a lot of you are speculating on one thing but trust me when I tell you it's not ONE thing and most bands and artists don't stick with the same management for that long anyway.

Not that it is in this case but for example, a studio head would be rotated out of a job simply because he/her held it too long and they don't want the same type of things green lit all the time even if their choices were correct.

I promise you and I could say more but will resist there are multiple factors that went into this decision. Some positive, some negative.

I also have known Daniel for a LOOONNG time. Even before Crush management which is a fucking great group of people by the way.

Ill give you one generality. The final straw happened in Oakland (even though I think saying there was a final straw is sort of a misnomer). Andres, years ago, do you remember the conversation I had about Green Day not being able to just play stadiums (in the US because of logistics) at their leisure and you adamantly disagreed with me? Well in this case you would be right.

A HOF band with dozens of #1s in their discography and 30 years of fans that are generational should be easily selling out their shows.

Here is another little tid bit. Do you guys remember the first show at Fox, Pamona in I think 2012 (not sure off hand). That show of about 1800 took almost 3 days to sell out which was amazingly long.

The "practice run" shows for RevRad were different. Palladium show essentially sold out in minutes as did the others. They hold on to some for the general on sale (but not as many as you think) but for all intent and purposes, that show sold out in minutes and then it had faster and higher charting songs then even from AI but people forget that AI was a renaissance for Green Day, RevRad wasn't really that. They have never faded again since 2004.

My point is, while things like setlists and stuff are to blame, there are other factors. So when things aren't going the way you want them, mixing it up is sometime a desire. 

Look, any artist that is lucky enough to get PM as their manager are in extraordinarily good hands and he is the type of manager that is not only good to his clients but truly cares about them. This is a sad thing that has happened but was neccesary in the eyes of the band.

Daniel won't be shy. Good things could come of it unless things blow up because Daniel is not coy.  

People shouldn't make up rumors and speculation because they (everyone from management to talent) do read this. They see the complaints about setlists. This very post will be read by someone in management who will disagree with some of it but I am making some comments based on personal relationships with several different people.

The band will always have a good relationship with GDA because they will demand that they do.

The other bright side is that GD has no intentions of hanging it up anytime soon or they just would have figured a way to have stuck with the very capable (to put it mildly) Pat Magnorella. They could have if they wanted I believe.

If you've met Pat, you know he and Marta are two of the best people in the business and they will be fine. At the end of the day, it's just a lot of gossip happening around here but Green Day are in very good hands still and Pat should be given all the respect in the world from Green Day fans and some of the credit for keeping them together for all these years and for helping save Billie's life.

:Off soapbox:

 

edit: I should add that GD would sell a lot more tickets and I've been very vocal to all who will listen (not here) about it. Whoever I was talking about Phish with, bands like them and Springsteen, moe, String Cheese Incident, Government Mule, My Morning Jacket, and yeah even John Mayer (I say even although I think he's the best living guitarist) sell more repeat offenders because they know the next show will be COMPLETELY different. If GD weren't the best performing live band on the circuit, it would be horrid but the multiple shows are still fun with the same songs. Phish easily sold out their "Bakers Dozen" residency (13 shows) at Madison Square Garden in about the same amount of time it took Green Day to sell out the Palladium. Why? They don't have one single hit. I don't even believe they have a song that has even charted but their fans are the most loyal and they wear how many they went to as a feather in their cap. Every Phish show is completely different. No, strike that, every time they play a song, its completely different. I'll fill you guys in with some interesting info as soon as I am able to but hopefully I'll have some soon as my loose lips often get me in trouble so I'm holding off all I want to say if you can believe it.

Just happy Green Day remain strong as a band!

[Hermione]

1 minute ago, Jake. said:

Meh, why is this a big deal 

The real reason it's a big deal is because he was their manager for 21 years/basically their whole career up to now so it's a big change. The reason it's a big deal in this thread is because however tenuous the link every opportunity to speculate about Billie's behaviour must be seized.

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

44 minutes ago, Justin1 said:

Most tame he's ever been?

This week he also called for his fans to 'Kill Donald Trump' and he's now using Green Day's platform to advance their own political beliefs, and are completely ripping opposing views, rather than respectfully disagreeing (that most professional people learn by 30).

I know a lot of this is part of their act, and I personally enjoy it.. I'm just saying that from a 'Manager Perspective' it would be a lot to deal with. You should read the comments on Green Day's facebook page from their fans when they post about Donald Trump. The casual fan that doesn't know the band as well as we do may construe this as very unhinged, and a very big turn off! 

If you are saying the Suburu incident was the last straw, then Pat M would have had the quit within the last few days and Green Day would have had to have decided on the new one in the same time period. These things actually take weeks or even months. I would bet money that they have been talking to the new people since the Glasgow/Mad Cool fiasco. So Billie's "unhinged" behavior is irrelevant. Which I have stated before is not unhinged. It's just a part of his personality that he sometimes can't suppress and comes to the surface at times. It's not ever going to be gone, and if casual fans don't like it they can go listen to Taylor Swift.

[LaughingClock]

8 minutes ago, Hermione said:

The real reason it's a big deal is because he was their manager for 21 years/basically their whole career up to now so it's a big change. The reason it's a big deal in this thread is because however tenuous the link every opportunity to speculate about Billie's behaviour must be seized.

Bingo 

[pacejunkie punk]

@LaughingClock can you at least confirm if you know whether Glasgow/Mad Cool were factors in this decision?

[LaughingClock]

On 8/11/2017 at 9:24 AM, neverdone2000 said:

If you are saying the Suburu incident was the last straw, then Pat M would have had the quit within the last few days and Green Day would have had to have decided on the new one in the same time period. These things actually take weeks or even months. I would bet money that they have been talking to the new people since the Glasgow/Mad Cool fiasco. So Billie's "unhinged" behavior is irrelevant. Which I have stated before is not unhinged. It's just a part of his personality that he sometimes can't suppress and comes to the surface at times. It's not ever going to be gone, and if casual fans don't like it they can go listen to Taylor Swift.

Double bingo. The Subaru incident was not the last straw. It's so more complex and longer than that. It's not something out of the blue but to the general public.

The Subaru thing by the way was GREAT for Subaru on a side note. So much free press exhaserbated by the speculation that this was the reason. First, there are reasonS and most of you don't know what they are and you'll just have to trust that. Even with people "in the know" are being told things by people directly relate to management and the band and they still don't know all the reasons for a lot of there choices. 

[pouty bitch]

41 minutes ago, Justin1 said:

This week he also called for his fans to 'Kill Donald Trump' and he's now using Green Day's platform to advance their own political beliefs, and are completely ripping opposing views, rather than respectfully disagreeing (that most professional people learn by 30).

He said "Kill Donald Trump" at a show in California, where the majority of people oppose Trump. Yes, it was a bit extreme, but he's not gonna say that at a show in Texas, where there are a lot of Trump supporters. He wants to express his opposition of Trump, but he's filtering himself so that it doesn't become too much of an issue. He's always said/done stuff like this, so he's not unhinged - he knows what he's doing.

Also, he's said that he has family members that are Trump supporters and he respects their views although he doesn't agree with them. That's not ripping opposing views.

[LaughingClock]

On 8/11/2017 at 9:35 AM, pacejunkie punk said:

@LaughingClock can you at least confirm if you know whether Glasgow/Mad Cool were factors in this decision?

I cannot. I will however just say that the ultimate decisions were not based on a singular thing but  a multitude of things. You can speculate on what those things are or better stated that they were caused by. A bad example. You don't blame the fire on the house burning down, you blame the spark and the nail polish remover that was left open that started the fire if that makes sense. (This actually happened to a house of mine as a child. So funny how we interject our own lives into everything).

When I say I cannot, I am not in a position to speak for anyone but I have some intimate knowledge of some of the players and I just want to warn people to not over speculate and make thoughts even if it's from the horse's mouth. Everything comes with a bias.

[thundercatmary]

Well if it's a change the band felt was necessary then good for them cause it can't be an easy decision.

Dumb question, this change would be something BJ, Tre and Mike all agree on right?

Also would Pat be at fault for the stuff like the canceled concert or the stuff with the acrobat? Just wondering if it's something that would even involve him.

Pardon my ignorance in all this stuff lol.