Green Day, Manager Pat Magnarella Part After 21 Years

[gaslight13]

28 minutes ago, LaughingClock said:

No, it's all code and shit like the word "Trump" and "some variable" word was said on this IP X amount of times and blah blah... Have any of you guys watched any of the Snowden and Wikileaks stuff that was declassified? They are watching everything. The only major company that wouldn't play ball was Twitter, to their credit.

I think you're repeating yourself a bit from your other response. No, admittedly, I haven't watched very much on Snowden. I know the government watches all kinds of shit although I haven't learned all the techniques they use, what you said about words makes sense. I was thinking more in terms of most of these threads talk about set lists or what shirt Billie is wearing. I could definitely see them watching ones that get into the politics, and include the words you're alluding to. I could say more on the subject but I don't want to continue to derail this topic. 

[Fuzz]

Just want to add a reminder that there's a lot of speculation in this thread about the people Green Day work with and some of the backstories with them. I'd caution people to realizing a lot of this is just theories. I've seem stuff on here in the past that people came in and swore about and I knew it was totally wrong. Of course, I can't go around correcting everything that's posted, because 1) the things I do know about aren't supposed to be repeated 2) I may not know the actual reasoning behind something, but just my own deductions based on what I do know. I'm not saying anyone here is actually posting things that are wrong. Just saying to be cautious of second and third hand information, some of the posts in this topic aren't entirely on the right track.

[LaughingClock]

1 hour ago, gaslight13 said:

I think you're repeating yourself a bit from your other response. No, admittedly, I haven't watched very much on Snowden. I know the government watches all kinds of shit although I haven't learned all the techniques they use, what you said about words makes sense. I was thinking more in terms of most of these threads talk about set lists or what shirt Billie is wearing. I could definitely see them watching ones that get into the politics, and include the words you're alluding to. I could say more on the subject but I don't want to continue to derail this topic. 

Yeah, I have a extraordinary bad memory. It's a product of all the drugs I've done in my life. Don't do drugs. I hope I'm at least consistent. I do have a vague memory of saying that here now that you said it. Either way, it's a fact.

14 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

Just want to add a reminder that there's a lot of speculation in this thread about the people Green Day work with and some of the backstories with them. I'd caution people to realizing a lot of this is just theories. I've seem stuff on here in the past that people came in and swore about and I knew it was totally wrong. Of course, I can't go around correcting everything that's posted, because 1) the things I do know about aren't supposed to be repeated 2) I may not know the actual reasoning behind something, but just my own deductions based on what I do know. I'm not saying anyone here is actually posting things that are wrong. Just saying to be cautious of second and third hand information, some of the posts in this topic aren't entirely on the right track.

And to take is a step further, take everything someone tells you that you don't know for sure about with a grain of salt. There are only about 5 people in the world I take at their word and everything else I have to see with my own eyes.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

Another thing, how is it on topic to discuss Snowden, Trump, government surveillance of GDC and random other stuff loosely connected with promotion of the band but definitely off topic and forbidden to discuss what may have led to Pat leaving?  Seems ridiculous to me. I can barely follow the thread anymore... 

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

23 hours ago, Jane Lannister said:

Really? Never heard that story. 

 

23 hours ago, Q.B said:

I just looked it up and apparently you can see it here. 

 

23 hours ago, Jane Lannister said:

wtf he wasn't even acting out, just playing as usual 

The gig at Reading was a "Secret Show" where they played in a tent that could not fit a huge amount of people and people could continue to try to get in as they played. As they were a supposed surprise act they were only allowed 30 minutes to play due to security concerns (people would get crushed in the attempt to squeeze in the tent etc) and the band were aware of this. However Billie refused to get off the stage when the time was up. That's when Bill appeared and tried to physically pull him off.

 

22 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

😲 He must have seen what others couldn't. According to Billie's Rolling Stone interview, Pat wanted to cancel Reading so they knew more than the audience did at that point.

I'm sorry Bill wasn't there in Vegas. I kept asking why no one pulled him off the stage there or prevented him from going on in the first place.  Good for Bill, he tried. Hard to help someone who's not willing to be helped. I'm glad they're still friends.

 

21 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Now that I think about it, he could have been talking about the morning of the Reading show in the interview. I didn't realise that show was 10 in the morning. He said he called a friend to come to his room because it was 7am he had taken lots of stuff and couldn't sleep. That person (Bill?) leaves and Pat calls to tell him they should cancel Reading. Maybe Bill knew he had been up all night on drugs and shouldn't do the show.

In the Rolling Stone interview Billie mentioned the Shepherd Bush gig which happened before the Reading gig as well as saying that Pat said they should cancel Reading. The day of Shepherds Bush the band were really late taking the stage (9 pm If I recall correctly) and we were all left outside. Tre actually opened the show with Dominated Love Slave, apologised and said Billie had laryngitis. A few days later Billie told Kerrang he was "being a diva". A few days later they cancelled the festival in Italy due to Billie's "dancing parasite", played Irving Plaza on September 15 when Billie puked onstage and ended up by his own admission hungover in a park afterwards. Remember Billie said he's been trying to get sober since around Nimrod time and he had breakdowns on the 21St Century Breakdown tour that were huge? Well we do not see what he doesn't want us to. Clearly. Even when he's in the depths of an addiction. His bandmates and others close can hardly avoid it though if he's incapable of getting out of bed or he's ill as a result of substance abuse or just in an uncontrollable rage because of something as silly as a predetermined time slot. We had no idea what was really going on, as I said before, in 2012 until Billie gave us a glimpse. It certainly appeared on the surface of it to be a possible contender for a reason as to why a tour manager might leave mid tour. It also is a good reminder that NONE of us know what's REALLY going on, good or bad, behind the scenes of this or any band no matter how much they instagram. 

I for one am extremely sad to see Pat go as manager because one thing that cannot be debated is that he saved Billie's life while none of us were looking. Nobody else did it. If you love Green Day, if you love Billie you should be eternally grateful to Pat. 

[Beerjeezus]

8 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

 

 

The gig at Reading was a "Secret Show" where they played in a tent that could not fit a huge amount of people and people could continue to try to get in as they played. As they were a supposed surprise act they were only allowed 30 minutes to play due to security concerns (people would get crushed in the attempt to squeeze in the tent etc) and the band were aware of this. However Billie refused to get off the stage when the time was up. That's when Bill appeared and tried to physically pull him off.

 

That's so punk 

[Fuzz]

3 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Another thing, how is it on topic to discuss Snowden, Trump, government surveillance of GDC and random other stuff loosely connected with promotion of the band but definitely off topic and forbidden to discuss what may have led to Pat leaving?  Seems ridiculous to me. I can barely follow the thread anymore... 

What are you even taking about? No one here is saying it's forbidden. Hermione has actually repeatedly told people to get back on the topic about Pat. All I've asked is for people to note that the stuff speculated about here shouldn't be taken as fact.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

On 8/11/2017 at 6:49 PM, Hermione said:

So anyway this thread is about Pat Magnarella no longer being GD's manager, not about Billie's behaviour and political statements and how popular they are with fans. If all you want to do is comment on Billie's on stage antics and political statements or speculate about reasons for them or compare them to iheart don't bother posting, let's get back to the topic at hand please.

OK so in this post Hermione was telling people to get back to discussing Pat as you say @Fuzz however people weren't randomly discussing Billie's onstage behaviour they were wondering if his behaviour onstage possibly pushed Pat to leave so it was related. Speculation?  Yes. But this whole thread is speculative and at least speculation about why Pat left is more on topic than if the government is spying on gdc is what I'm trying to say. 

[Hermione]

Yeah to be fair the convo about the government spying on GDC that's happened since my post isn't on topic, but that doesn't make the previous off topic convo any more acceptable . Let's all just stick to the topic of Pat Magnarella shall we.

Btw if you see something off topic or whatever you could just give us a heads up instead of assuming we're choosing to ignore it and asking why nothing's being done, we don't always notice everything.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

28 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Yeah to be fair the convo about the government spying on GDC that's happened since my post isn't on topic, but that doesn't make the previous off topic convo any more acceptable . Let's all just stick to the topic of Pat Magnarella shall we.

Btw if you see something off topic or whatever you could just give us a heads up instead of assuming we're choosing to ignore it and asking why nothing's being done, we don't always notice everything.

I wasn't trying to dig at you guys. I know that you have a million topics to watch and lives to actually live as well! I was just a bit gobsmacked how off topic the topic had gone, unless Snowden is the new manager . 

[Hermione]

40 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

I wasn't trying to dig at you guys. I know that you have a million topics to watch and lives to actually live as well! I was just a bit gobsmacked how off topic the topic had gone, unless Snowden is the new manager . 

Fair enough!

[Cunt]

On 8/15/2017 at 1:34 PM, LaughingClock said:

And nobody said their ticket sales are shitty but as a band that in in the HOF, has multiple chatting ones and current charting ones should sell even more and faster. That's just a fact my friend. They should not have had 25k in Oakland. Should have been sold out. Same with Wrigley and Rose although I think they will come close with Rose.

Green Day just isn't that band anymore. Also Oakland is Oakland. That's why major Artists opt to go the Santa Clara and play Levi's Stadium 

[pacejunkie punk]

22 minutes ago, Cunt said:

Green Day just isn't that band anymore. Also Oakland is Oakland. That's why major Artists opt to go the Santa Clara and play Levi's Stadium 

Is Oakland really that much of a cesspit that people won't travel there? If so, is 25k locals considered a good haul for an Oakland show?

[Cunt]

30 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Is Oakland really that much of a cesspit that people won't travel there? If so, is 25k locals considered a good haul for an Oakland show?

For a band at where Green Day is at in their careers that is very good considering it was in Oakland 

[thundercatmary]

Is it strange that the band hasn't commented on Pats departure (or whatever happened) or is that normal?

[WhiteTim]

1 minute ago, thundercatmary said:

Is it strange that the band hasn't commented on Pats departure (or whatever happened) or is that normal?

Semi normal majority of fans don't really care who the managers are there are a few exceptions with GD being one most managers aren't as accessible to fans like Pat seemed to be 

[pacejunkie punk]

4 minutes ago, thundercatmary said:

Is it strange that the band hasn't commented on Pats departure (or whatever happened) or is that normal?

They have been pretty quiet. Variety reporting on it is not an official statement so I guess we'll have to wait for one. I doubt they will give any details though if they don't want to.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

I was thinking more that instead of any official statements on facebook or their website or anything dramatic we would see a semi-casual "thanks for everything pal" post from Billie/the guys or something on IG if say Pat were retiring or simply moving on to other things. 21 years deserves a mention. The complete silence is deafening. It does make me wonder how amicable the parting was. It's weirding me out a little.

[Hermione]

I think they just don't normally talk about insider/business side type things publically. They never even announced anything about Jason White's changing role in the band so doesn't surprise me much. Could even be that Pat himself preferred it not to be drawn attention to for whatever reason, who knows.

[Beerjeezus]

Well changing a manager mid-tour is kind of a big deal. I guess they keep it low-key because they don't want to make a story out of it. They don't want it to get blown out of proportion or to look like there are problems inside their team.

[Meliciraptor]

13 hours ago, thundercatmary said:

Is it strange that the band hasn't commented on Pats departure (or whatever happened) or is that normal?

Announcements like that are usually planned for a certain date. Considering that variety quoted a source, someone apparently leaked the info before it was meant to be made public. I bet they want to announce it after the tour.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

2 hours ago, Jane Lannister said:

Well changing a manager mid-tour is kind of a big deal. I guess they keep it low-key because they don't want to make a story out of it. They don't want it to get blown out of proportion or to look like there are problems inside their team.

 

5 minutes ago, melissi_unicorn said:

Announcements like that are usually planned for a certain date. Considering that variety quoted a source, someone apparently leaked the info before it was meant to be made public. I bet they want to announce it after the tour.

Well assuming that were the case it's too late now as it has been widely reported so there's little point in pretending it hasn't happened. The complete silence just adds to suspicion that perhaps it wasn't just a friendly parting.

[Beerjeezus]

1 hour ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

 

Well assuming that were the case it's too late now as it has been widely reported so there's little point in pretending it hasn't happened. The complete silence just adds to suspicion that perhaps it wasn't just a friendly parting.

I know right?! Most likely it's just their PR being slow as usual.

[pacejunkie punk]

1 hour ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

 

Well assuming that were the case it's too late now as it has been widely reported so there's little point in pretending it hasn't happened. The complete silence just adds to suspicion that perhaps it wasn't just a friendly parting.

Do we know for sure that Pat has already left though, or as @melissi_unicorn pointed out a leaked announcement that they planned to make later? What I mean is, maybe the deal was signed now but the switch not meant to kick in until after the tour ends. Is Pat finishing out the tour? 

[Thatsername]

1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Do we know for sure that Pat has already left though, or as @melissi_unicorn pointed out a leaked announcement that they planned to make later? What I mean is, maybe the deal was signed now but the switch not meant to kick in until after the tour ends. Is Pat finishing out the tour? 

I was wondering the same. Because the article says they plan to sign to a new manager, not that they already did. So when Pat already left, that would mean Green Day is "headless" right now. So he's probably finishing the tour?