GreenDayTheory Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Second favourite son said: When I was seven I wrote a poem from the point of view of a leaf. That doesn't make me a fucking leaf. It also didn't stop me from writing equally terrible poems at the same time from my own point of view. My point wasn't meant to make it sound like a trial, but was to say that you have absolutely no evidence for your claims - you can continue to believe them by all means, but to baselessly shout about them is disrespectful at best and potentially libellous at worst. The hell man?? LEAF i know you were a 7yo then but why LEAF?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second favourite son Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, GreenDayTheory said: The hell man?? LEAF i know you were a 7yo then but why LEAF?? I was a bit of a weird kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDayTheory Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Second favourite son said: I was a bit of a weird kid Ok lets go back to the topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second favourite son Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, GreenDayTheory said: Ok lets go back to the topic Thank you for saying this so I didn't have to! Just a reminder for all that the topic is 'Songs about Amanda', so keeping posts relevant to that would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 46 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: This isn't a trial. It's not about finding him guilty or innocent of anything. We are talking about his claims in this interview that the songs HE wrote about cheating and excessive partying are merely "fantasy". We know for a fact that the partying was not just fantasy. People can feel free to continue to believe that the songs about cheating really are just fantasy if they want. I find it extremely difficult given his own answer. So by your logic Billie could be a sex addict or just having multiple affairs but be in denial so he said his wife bans him from looking at women and it's all a fantasy when he writes multiple songs about cheating and apologising for an affair. Fair enough. Denial is a funny thing alright. I think the fact that the interview was translated from English to German to English, combined with the fact that Billie wasn't in his proper state of mind, I don't think we can really come to any conclusions about what Billie actually said/meant in that interview. I think it's unfair to jump to any conclusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDayTheory Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 Is this even on topic?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 22 minutes ago, Second favourite son said: Thank you for saying this so I didn't have to! Just a reminder for all that the topic is 'Songs about Amanda', so keeping posts relevant to that would be appreciated. Sorry to derail again but I must say that I'd love to read your poem if you still have it 26 minutes ago, GreenDayTheory said: Ok lets go back to the topic #futuremod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second favourite son Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, GreenDayTheory said: Is this even on topic?? FYI backseat modding is also off topic, @MysticManiac will have started typing his post before seeing the request to move back to the topic, so his post is fine. Now, songs about Amanda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDayTheory Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 27 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: Sorry to derail again but I must say that I'd love to read your poem if you still have it #futuremod I don't wanna be a mod but this is offtopic and i follow ther rules so lets go back 51 minutes ago, MysticManiac said: I think the fact that the interview was translated from English to German to English, combined with the fact that Billie wasn't in his proper state of mind, I don't think we can really come to any conclusions about what Billie actually said/meant in that interview. I think it's unfair to jump to any conclusions He was alcoholic that time i think so we don't have clear conclusions on what he really said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, GreenDayTheory said: I don't wanna be a mod but this is offtopic and i follow ther rules so lets go back Hey don't worry about it, we're here to do the boring business of deciding when to tell people to get back on topic so you don't have to . Like Second favourite son said let's get back to "Songs about Amanda" now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 So let me help -- songs about Amanda, go... In Heart Like A hand Grenade while they are recording Whatsername there's a close up of Billie and it's not super clear but it looks like he's crying. Still that emotional over her 10+ years later? WMUWSE I can understand it's something you never get over, but this? Or is he just a mushhead like me that cries at movies and everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Before everyone "gets back on topic" I'm going to respond to the fact that I wasn't "shouting" about anything. Nor was I saying anything libelous. Get a grip @FavouriteSon We were discussing Billie's own lyrics about cheating. He wrote the lyrics. Also I initially disregarded the entire quote as fake because it sounded so ridiculous either due to the content and /or bad translation but I stress I disregard the entire quote not 99.9% of it and cling to 1%. Also I didn't introduce the dumb quote into the conversation. If I was trying to support the notion that the songs had been fantasy for some reason I definitely wouldn't have used that quote as proof Now... back on topic and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 29 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: So let me help -- songs about Amanda, go... In Heart Like A hand Grenade while they are recording Whatsername there's a close up of Billie and it's not super clear but it looks like he's crying. Still that emotional over her 10+ years later? WMUWSE I can understand it's something you never get over, but this? Or is he just a mushhead like me that cries at movies and everything? Well I'm not sure if it's the song that he's crying about there, or if it's just because it's the last song they recorded for the album and Billie was probably nervous about releasing this album which is very personal to him and is something that he put a lot of effort into. I just think he was hoping it would get the recognition. Which of course it did and it deserved its recognition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, MysticManiac said: Well I'm not sure if it's the song that he's crying about there, or if it's just because it's the last song they recorded for the album and Billie was probably nervous about releasing this album which is very personal to him and is something that he put a lot of effort into. I just think he was hoping it would get the recognition. Which of course it did and it deserved its recognition! Could be, I hadn't thought of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 2 hours ago, GreenDayTheory said: I don't wanna be a mod but this is offtopic and i follow ther rules so lets go back He was alcoholic that time i think so we don't have clear conclusions on what he really said I know this is off topic but you are so cute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jengd Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I took it that this project had just taken up so much of time, effort and blood, sweat and tears and now it was finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said: Or is he just a mushhead like me that cries at movies and everything? He seems to be quite sentitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Joes Eyelids Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 6 hours ago, Second favourite son said: His lies were ridiculous because he wasn't well at the time, not because he was selfish or intentionally deceitful. But just because he lied about some things, doesn't mean he lied about them all. We don't have enough evidence to form a solid conclusion, and in that situation I prefer to treat people as not guilty rather than make assumptions and jump to unfounded accusations. EXACTLY. I don't think we should be too hard on him for these statements because he was a full-blown addict at the time. Addicts lie like crazy to cover themselves. It's part of the disease. Also their judgement is impaired. In his mind, he might have been thinking he was fine because he was taking prescription drugs and not shooting heroin. Also, he probably rationalized to himself that he needed everything he took to be a better performer, etc. Obviously he thinks differently now. Sorry if that's off topic, I just think it's important in the scheme of things to understand Billie's history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said: EXACTLY. I don't think we should be too hard on him for these statements because he was a full-blown addict at the time. Addicts lie like crazy to cover themselves. It's part of the disease. Also their judgement is impaired. In his mind, he might have been thinking he was fine because he was taking prescription drugs and not shooting heroin. Also, he probably rationalized to himself that he needed everything he took to be a better performer, etc. Obviously he thinks differently now. Sorry if that's off topic, I just think it's important in the scheme of things to understand Billie's history. I don't give a shit why he lied or misrepresented the truth. I wasn't being "hard" on him. I'm pointed out that the majority of the quote has been proven to be untrue so the tiny part about the cheating also being a fantasy (along with the drugs and drinking etc) shouldn't be taken seriously either. Considering how as you point out he was possibly under the influence and impaired and others have argued he may have been in denial etc. I think I've made myself clear enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jengd Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 34 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: He seems to be quite sentitive. Don't think you can be writer/poet if you aren't sensitive or romantic. Think he is a real contradiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Truong Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 4 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: So let me help -- songs about Amanda, go... In Heart Like A hand Grenade while they are recording Whatsername there's a close up of Billie and it's not super clear but it looks like he's crying. Still that emotional over her 10+ years later? WMUWSE I can understand it's something you never get over, but this? Or is he just a mushhead like me that cries at movies and everything? I cried when he 'cried' from that part, where he is singing that song whatsername..from Heart like a hand Grenade. I am sure it is really hard for him to get over his Amanda. She is really have big impact on his life Good and bad. I wondering, if he have contract with her now?..now that is over 15 years ago.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 He said he did meet her again, that's what the song Amanda is about. It's not one of my favorites from the trilogy but it is nice having some closure on the subject because I wondered the same thing ie, where is she now, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouty bitch Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 4 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: So let me help -- songs about Amanda, go... In Heart Like A hand Grenade while they are recording Whatsername there's a close up of Billie and it's not super clear but it looks like he's crying. Still that emotional over her 10+ years later? WMUWSE I can understand it's something you never get over, but this? Or is he just a mushhead like me that cries at movies and everything? I think it was because he spent a lot of time working on that album and it had been the biggest thing in his life at that time, so when they finished recording it, he felt lost. Also, it's such a personal album, so that probably affected him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Definitely a lot of blood, sweat and tears went into that album and it showed (and cost two marriages and a DUI). Don't know how Billie and Adie made it through, but I'm glad their hard work was recognized, they set out to achieve this level of success and they achieved it. Not too shabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Joes Eyelids Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 36 minutes ago, crock6000 said: Imagine how Amanda feels! I feed bad for her. LOL. Because Addie has put up with a lifetime of shit and the love was requited by Billie Joe in his later years (and early years but I mean when the forgiveness part had to begin). You will no find a lot of Rock N Roll marriages that last. That Mike and Billie have, is the same reason they are still a band. I will take a "wait and see" approach on Tre. He was playing near the border but he straightened out. Addie is such a wonderful person. I have always just loved her way. She is just a cool cat and a genuinely good person. About 90% of women would have left Billie at about 10 different points in their marriage. He is very lucky and fortunately he knows it. Obviously their love is deeper than most to be through what they have and come out so strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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