Songs about Amanda

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

1 minute ago, Second favourite son said:

I agree there's a chance that he's referencing the same Amanda.  But he couldn't have used Ashley because that wouldn't have fit the meter of the song, unless he added an extra syllable to the 'oh' or something.  I think regardless of why he chose Amanda, it's obviously been noticed by the listeners and therefore is relevant regardless of intention.  

Oh yes, he absolutely did.  I was making the same point as yours there, although I'd also argue that he doesn't necessarily have to have cheated with anyone to write a song about it (and it would be a pretty dumb move if he had).  I see those songs more as exploring a temptation than recounting actual events.

I don't see why it's a dumb move. It's not like we know what his friends and family know about him. For example we didn't know he had addiction problems for years. His family and friends did. I assume if he was cheating and writing about it people close to him already knew. You don't have to write a song apologising for an affair if it's unknown!! 

[Second favourite son]

1 hour ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

I don't see why it's a dumb move. It's not like we know what his friends and family know about him. For example we didn't know he had addiction problems for years. His family and friends did. I assume if he was cheating and writing about it people close to him already knew. You don't have to write a song apologising for an affair if it's unknown!! 

You're right, I made a huge assumption that it was both current and unknown.  I think the key point to take from this is that we don't know and have no way of knowing exactly what his motivation for writing those songs was.

[pacejunkie punk]

1 hour ago, Second favourite son said:

You're right, I made a huge assumption that it was both current and unknown.  I think the key point to take from this is that we don't know and have no way of knowing exactly what his motivation for writing those songs was.

We'll have to wait for the tell all autobiography when he's 60. 😊 Until then, it's just a fun topic to talk about. We love Billie either way, we don't mean anything by it. 😘

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

35 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

We'll have to wait for the tell all autobiography when he's 60. 😊 Until then, it's just a fun topic to talk about. We love Billie either way, we don't mean anything by it. 😘

😂 True words. And we have all heard different interviews which completely contradict each other, so we all have our own viewpoint based on what we've heard or read. We'll probably never know the complete story and we've fallen into the abyss of endless conjecture. I for one, however, feel like I know a lot more than I did. 

[Hermione]

3 hours ago, Second favourite son said:

You're right, I made a huge assumption that it was both current and unknown.  I think the key point to take from this is that we don't know and have no way of knowing exactly what his motivation for writing those songs was.

Although he has stated himself that the songs about cheating were just thoughts/fantasy. With no reason to assume he's lying about that (unless we're going to completely distrust him and not believe anything he's ever said about any of his songs) I'll go with what the writer of the songs said about them unless there's proof otherwise.

4 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

I don't see why it's a dumb move. It's not like we know what his friends and family know about him. For example we didn't know he had addiction problems for years. His family and friends did. I assume if he was cheating and writing about it people close to him already knew. You don't have to write a song apologising for an affair if it's unknown!! 

You think his family would be fine with him openly admitting an affair in songs but still claiming to have been perfectly faithful and saying that the songs were nothing more than fantasy in interviews? That seems pretty preposterous to me (and we did know he had addiction problems as he'd mentioned them for 20 years and never went around claiming to be sober/entirely free of them). Of course we don't know all the details about his personal life as fact but just from a logical point of view the explanation that Billie himself gave (ie the songs were fantasy/exploring the idea of those things rather than something that really happened) makes a lot more sense.

Edit: Just want to post the excerpt from the interview where Billie talked about the songs on Dos. Sadly it's translated and not the best translation but what he's saying is still very clear:

Quote

Billie, what does your wife say about songs like "Nightlife"? I mean, you describe in that songs your fantasie about getting seduced from a stranger.
She thinks it cool. She says, I'm sounding young and fresh..just like how I am.
And "Nightlife" doesn't only describe the thing with girls, it's about stuff like
drugs, alcohol and bad influence.
Is it easy to seduce you?
In this song, I just show my fantasies. My home, my family is a safe place for me.
I would never risk to lose it. I live in a beatiful realationship with my wife
and that since 18 years. But as a musican, you need to think different. There
are things I wanna drink, thinks I wanna take and people I wanna look at. And my
wife bans stuff like that. Beeing a healthy person, a good husband, a good father
and to have fun in your job. That's the challenge I accepted.

 

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

8 hours ago, Hermione said:

Although he has stated himself that the songs about cheating were just thoughts/fantasy. With no reason to assume he's lying about that (unless we're going to completely distrust him and not believe anything he's ever said about any of his songs) I'll go with what the writer of the songs said about them unless there's proof otherwise.

You think his family would be fine with him openly admitting an affair in songs but still claiming to have been perfectly faithful and saying that the songs were nothing more than fantasy in interviews? That seems pretty preposterous to me (and we did know he had addiction problems as he'd mentioned them for 20 years and never went around claiming to be sober/entirely free of them). Of course we don't know all the details about his personal life as fact but just from a logical point of view the explanation that Billie himself gave (ie the songs were fantasy/exploring the idea of those things rather than something that really happened) makes a lot more sense.

Edit: Just want to post the excerpt from the interview where Billie talked about the songs on Dos. Sadly it's translated and not the best translation but what he's saying is still very clear:

 

I'm sorry but where is this quote supposed to be from? It is fairly ludicrous to say the least. In it it claims 

"There are things I wanna drink, thinks I wanna take and people I wanna look at. And my wife bans stuff like that. Beeing a healthy person, a good husband, a good father and to have fun in your job. That's the challenge I accepted."

So if this quote is actually real...he's clearly lying. BADLY. 

 

[Beerjeezus]

I remember reading that quote before and having a trillion debates about whether or not he was lying  Good times 

Wouldn't call it a lie lol 

[pacejunkie punk]

Well we know when you're an addict the first person you lie to is yourself so we know now to take that with a grain of salt. I'm willing to accept that the part about girls is fantasy in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

[Beerjeezus]

Plus even if he weren't in denial, he most likely wouldn't want to share details. It's kinda personal, ya know? 

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

Just now, Jane Lannister said:

I remember reading that quote before and having a trillion debates about whether or not he was lying  Good times 

Wouldn't call it a lie lol 

Well if the quote isn't a fake then Billie is lying. That's a fact. 

It literally states that Nightlife isn't just about girls, it's about drugs and alcohol too which his wife bans.

"doesn't only describe the thing with girls, it's about stuff like
drugs, alcohol and bad influence."

According to the quote any talk about drugs, alcohol or girls is just "fantasy". Also he would never risk his family by actually living out any of these wild fantasies like taking drugs or drinking and his home is a "safe place". 

"There are things I wanna drink, thinks I wanna take and people I wanna look at. And my wife bans stuff like that. Beeing a healthy person, a good husband, a good father and to have fun in your job. That's the challenge I accepted."

It's fucking laughable. Billie was by his own admission carrying around a bag full of pills that sounded like a baby rattle and had been trying to get sober since around Nimrod time. He was, in 2012, at his drug taking height. His wife didn't ban shit. And he was about as healthy as a corpse. 

6 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I'm willing to accept that the part about girls is fantasy in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

 good for you. Everything else he said here was complete bullshit and he wrote songs about cheating and wild partying which was why he was even asked about it. But it was all a "fantasy"...except for the parts we know for a fact are very obviously not right? 

[pacejunkie punk]

5 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

 good for you. Everything else he said here was complete bullshit and he wrote songs about cheating and wild partying which was why he was even asked about it. But it was all a "fantasy"...except for the parts we know for a fact are very obviously not right? 

Right, what else can I do? Remember Billie, in the immortal words of George Costanza, "It's not a lie if you believe it."

🙂

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

4 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Right, what else can I do? Remember Billie, in the immortal words of George Costanza, "It's not a lie if you believe it."

🙂

Or perhaps more suitable for this case is one of my favourite quotes from an old TV show Queer As Folk, 

"It's not lying when they make you lie, when the only truth they can deal with is their own"

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

Lordy, this is gettin heavy!!!

Is this real life? Is this just fantasy? 

*cue Bohemian Rhapsody* 🎤

[Caroline Truong]

2 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

I'm sorry but where is this quote supposed to be from? It is fairly ludicrous to say the least. In it it claims 

"There are things I wanna drink, thinks I wanna take and people I wanna look at. And my wife bans stuff like that. Beeing a healthy person, a good husband, a good father and to have fun in your job. That's the challenge I accepted."

So if this quote is actually real...he's clearly lying. BADLY. 

 

I was going said some thing like that..about Billie's "Quote" Where Hermione posted..I was reading it and I was like "BullCrap!"

but it doesn't sound it was Billie at all.

[amberwhite]

Well, she did say it was badly translated.  I do remember reading it and laughing at the translation.  I wish I could remember where I saw it.  Bottom line is this: we just don't know exactly what goes on in their private life. They do share a lot with us , but not everything. That's the way they want it and we as fans should respect that.

[Caroline Truong]

2 hours ago, amberwhite said:

Well, she did say it was badly translated.  I do remember reading it and laughing at the translation.  I wish I could remember where I saw it.  Bottom line is this: we just don't know exactly what goes on in their private life. They do share a lot with us , but not everything. That's the way they want it and we as fans should respect that.

yes. I agree. We should respect Billie's love life .but it doesn't mean it is fun to talk about it....it wouldn't hurt right?..

beside it is in his songs that make it our own.

and my love life is boring compare to his

p.s. I would have remind anyone..that Billie does like boys too..I would think Billie/Tre would make perfect pair..but that is not thread for that!

[Hermione]

9 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

I'm sorry but where is this quote supposed to be from? It is fairly ludicrous to say the least. In it it claims 

"There are things I wanna drink, thinks I wanna take and people I wanna look at. And my wife bans stuff like that. Beeing a healthy person, a good husband, a good father and to have fun in your job. That's the challenge I accepted."

So if this quote is actually real...he's clearly lying. BADLY. 

 

It was a printed German interview that someone on here translated. I can go right back and find the thread if you really want but I just found that part from another time when I'd copy and pasted it. Come to think of it when he said "fantasy" it was probably more like "imagination" (German for imagination is "Fantasie"). Anyway it's obviously not a great translation but the meaning is there. He might not have always achieved being a perfect family man but it's clear he's done some things differently than he would have otherwise and tried to be, he's said as much in lots of interviews. 

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

10 minutes ago, Caroline Truong said:

 

p.s. I would have remind anyone..that Billie does like boys too..I would think Billie/Tre would make perfect pair..but that is not thread for that!

I already reminded people! You've got Zeke 

3 minutes ago, Hermione said:

It was a printed German interview that someone on here translated. I can go right back and find the thread if you really want but I just found that part from another time when I'd copy and pasted it. Come to think of it when he said "fantasy" it was probably more like "imagination" (German for imagination is "Fantasie"). Anyway it's obviously not a great translation but the meaning is there. He might not have always achieved being a perfect family man but it's clear he's done some things differently than he would have otehrwise and tried to be, he's said as much in lots of interviews.

Dear God. So it is real. Well it's all bullshit. It's not about "not having always achieved the perfect family man" or that he'd go back and do things differently. You don't know that. He straight up lied. Ridiculously. He was a drug addict saying he'd never risk his family by doing drugs. An alcoholic saying he wouldn't drink certain drink (I'm assuming it means to excess) because his wife "banned it". And a happily married man who would never look at other women. And he claimed that he was really healthy and a load of other total bullshit. If anything it actually just makes me utterly suspicious. Literally everything else is a proven lie. 

[Hermione]

6 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

I already reminded people! You've got Zeke 

Dear God. So it is real. Well it's all bullshit. It's not about "not having always achieved the perfect family man" or that he'd go back and do things differently. You don't know that. He straight up lied. Ridiculously. He was a drug addict saying he'd never risk his family by doing drugs. An alcoholic saying he wouldn't drink certain drink (I'm assuming it means to excess) because his wife "banned it". And a happily married man who would never look at other women. And he claimed that he was really healthy and a load of other total bullshit. If anything it actually just makes me utterly suspicious. Literally everything else is a proven lie. 

Well yeah he's somewhat fibbing about the drinking/taking part but come on he was likely in denial about how much of a problem he had at that point. He probably did think he was keeping himself healthy enough and not going too far. And he's not saying he's straight edge there, just because he had a problem with drinking/taking certain things (for example prescription pills) it doesn't mean he didn't pass on certain others (perhaps harder illegal drugs) for the family's sake. Given that what he said was translated to German and then (badly) back to English I don't think each word can be taken quite as literally as you're taking it. I think the point he's making is even if he doesn't necessarily indulge in all those things irl for the sake of his family as a musician he can still have fun writing about them. Just because he didn't admit the extent of his problem with addiction at that point it doesn't mean we can assume everything he said on any other subject was a lie/the opposite of the truth.

[GreenDayTheory]

 

1 hour ago, crock6000 said:

Okay, off topic because I'm gonna talk about G-L-O-R-I-A ( @G-L-O-R-I-A, that was a  mother fucker to type on an iPad keyboard with all the dashes and shit. But I digress on my digression.

 

Only this happened, I was listening to the song "Gloria" from Lauara Brannigan and I forgot how much thins song pumps me. I love it, used to hide it but I thought I would bring it over to some of my like minded musical minds and see is this is a song you like. Maybe my mom listens to it or something. Don't know.. Does this song inspire you?

 

 

Why here though??

On June 24, 2017 at 0:01 PM, Caroline Truong said:

I think that Amanda is Billie's first love, it is very difficult and heartbreaking to get  it go of that, I wonder how long were Billie and Amanda were together? that make him sooo suicidal

Tre was Billie's first love 

[Second favourite son]

3 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Dear God. So it is real. Well it's all bullshit. It's not about "not having always achieved the perfect family man" or that he'd go back and do things differently. You don't know that. He straight up lied. Ridiculously. He was a drug addict saying he'd never risk his family by doing drugs. An alcoholic saying he wouldn't drink certain drink (I'm assuming it means to excess) because his wife "banned it". And a happily married man who would never look at other women. And he claimed that he was really healthy and a load of other total bullshit. If anything it actually just makes me utterly suspicious. Literally everything else is a proven lie. 

His lies were ridiculous because he wasn't well at the time, not because he was selfish or intentionally deceitful.  But just because he lied about some things, doesn't mean he lied about them all.  We don't have enough evidence to form a solid conclusion, and in that situation I prefer to treat people as not guilty rather than make assumptions and jump to unfounded accusations.

[Beerjeezus]

9 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Well if the quote isn't a fake then Billie is lying. That's a fact. 

It literally states that Nightlife isn't just about girls, it's about drugs and alcohol too which his wife bans.

"doesn't only describe the thing with girls, it's about stuff like
drugs, alcohol and bad influence."

According to the quote any talk about drugs, alcohol or girls is just "fantasy". Also he would never risk his family by actually living out any of these wild fantasies like taking drugs or drinking and his home is a "safe place". 

"There are things I wanna drink, thinks I wanna take and people I wanna look at. And my wife bans stuff like that. Beeing a healthy person, a good husband, a good father and to have fun in your job. That's the challenge I accepted."

It's fucking laughable. Billie was by his own admission carrying around a bag full of pills that sounded like a baby rattle and had been trying to get sober since around Nimrod time. He was, in 2012, at his drug taking height. His wife didn't ban shit. And he was about as healthy as a corpse. 

 good for you. Everything else he said here was complete bullshit and he wrote songs about cheating and wild partying which was why he was even asked about it. But it was all a "fantasy"...except for the parts we know for a fact are very obviously not right? 

I don't see why Nightlife couldn't be about drugs and alcohol as well as girls. I don't see why his wife banning it must be a lie - she might as well banned it a 100 times, he might have felt like he had some control, possibly thanks to her. I don't have a problem with the challenge part either - he most likely did want to be a good husband, good father and a healthy person. And chances are that he believed he was, addicts don't realize they are addicts. What you are doing is the same as if you came up to a patient with psychosis who is convinced that they, idk, are in telepathic contact with Jesus and call them a liar. 

6 minutes ago, Second favourite son said:

His lies were ridiculous because he wasn't well at the time, not because he was selfish or intentionally deceitful.  But just because he lied about some things, doesn't mean he lied about them all.  We don't have enough evidence to form a solid conclusion, and in that situation I prefer to treat people as not guilty rather than make assumptions and jump to unfounded accusations.

Agreed, well said. 

[Caroline Truong]

1 hour ago, GreenDayTheory said:

 

Why here though??

Tre was Billie's first love 

Yes!

Trillie is true love those two idiot  known each other  for 30 years last longer than any relationship!

(if you guys don't know Trillie stand for Billie and Tre)

Anyways.. 

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

2 hours ago, Second favourite son said:

His lies were ridiculous because he wasn't well at the time, not because he was selfish or intentionally deceitful.  But just because he lied about some things, doesn't mean he lied about them all.  We don't have enough evidence to form a solid conclusion, and in that situation I prefer to treat people as not guilty rather than make assumptions and jump to unfounded accusations.

This isn't a trial. It's not about finding him guilty or innocent of anything. We are talking about his claims in this interview that the songs HE wrote about cheating and excessive partying are merely "fantasy". We know for a fact that the partying was not just fantasy. People can feel free to continue to believe that the songs about cheating really are just fantasy if they want. I find it extremely difficult given his own answer. 

2 hours ago, Jane Lannister said:

I don't see why Nightlife couldn't be about drugs and alcohol as well as girls. I don't see why his wife banning it must be a lie - she might as well banned it a 100 times, he might have felt like he had some control, possibly thanks to her. I don't have a problem with the challenge part either - he most likely did want to be a good husband, good father and a healthy person. And chances are that he believed he was, addicts don't realize they are addicts. What you are doing is the same as if you came up to a patient with psychosis who is convinced that they, idk, are in telepathic contact with Jesus and call them a liar. 

 

So by your logic Billie could be a sex addict or just having multiple affairs but be in denial so he said his wife bans him from looking at women and it's all a fantasy when he writes multiple songs about cheating and apologising for an affair. Fair enough.

 

Denial is a funny thing alright. 

[Second favourite son]

35 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

This isn't a trial. It's not about finding him guilty or innocent of anything. We are talking about his claims in this interview that the songs HE wrote about cheating and excessive partying are merely "fantasy". We know for a fact that the partying was not just fantasy. People can feel free to continue to believe that the songs about cheating really are just fantasy if they want. I find it extremely difficult given his own answer. 

When I was seven I wrote a poem from the point of view of a leaf.  That doesn't make me a fucking leaf.  It also didn't stop me from writing equally terrible poems at the same time from my own point of view.  

My point wasn't meant to make it sound like a trial, but was to say that you have absolutely no evidence for your claims - you can continue to believe them by all means, but to baselessly shout about them is disrespectful at best and potentially libellous at worst.