Songs about Amanda

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

Why do people assume all the songs Billie wrote about cheating on the trilogy suggest he cheated with Lady Cobra just because she was a guest vocalist and they had a fun song about her? She was a school friend of his who was engaged at the time of the recording of the trilogy and is now married. He could have been singing about anyone. The lyrics tend to indicate that the person he's singing about is younger than him. 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

1 minute ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Why do people assume all the songs Billie wrote about cheating on the trilogy suggest he cheated with Lady Cobra just because she was a guest vocalist and they had a fun song about her? She was a school friend of his who was engaged at the time of the recording of the trilogy and is now married. He could have been singing about anyone. The lyrics tend to indicate that the person he's singing about is younger than him. 

I agree, no idea why people are being so literal about Lady Cobra

 

Thank you to those of you who clarified the timeline of Billie being with Erica when he met Adrienne and having lost touch w Adrienne when he was with Amanda, makes so much more sense.

11 hours ago, unextraordinarygirl said:

That's what I originally heard is that Amanda dumped him and he took it really hard. Erica dumped him too to go to Equidor.  Poor guy, he was unlucky in love before Adrienne; then his luck changed.

Amanda dumped him to go to Ecuador, not Erica. Not to complicate things, but didn't Billie end the relationship with Erica, not the other way around? Thought some of you who are very knowledgable about this history might know that. 

[Hermione]

1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said:

While it's true you should never read too much into song lyrics, it's harder with a songwriter like Billie because he admits that so much of his writing is autobiography. He writes almost exclusively about what he's feeling and you can draw a straight line to many songs and actual known events. So it can be hard to know where to draw that line. Sometimes those songs are about other people's experiences not his own but they are rarely complete fiction.

Yes you're right, of course his writing is strongly influenced by experiences he's had. But influenced by doesn't always mean he's describing literal events is what I'm saying. He wrote about midlife crisis themes of what it would be like to give into the temptations of the rock n roll lifestyle/have a fling, and part of that could be based on/influenced by experiences of that time or the past, but also just on things he was thinking about (when he was asked about it he said it was fantasy). He was going through addiction problems, partying and approaching mid life, so I think it fits with his autobiographical way of writing that he was exploring those themes in his thoughts and writing at the time. But that doesn't mean any particular thing on the albums literally happened or was more than thoughts and ideas.

42 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Why do people assume all the songs Billie wrote about cheating on the trilogy suggest he cheated with Lady Cobra just because she was a guest vocalist and they had a fun song about her? She was a school friend of his who was engaged at the time of the recording of the trilogy and is now married. He could have been singing about anyone. The lyrics tend to indicate that the person he's singing about is younger than him. 

I think it's just because he named her in the lyrics (the song Lady Cobra, and then the other songs that appear to about the same person), simple as that. But I think it's pretty clear he wasn't literally writing about her as the facts you've listed support, as well as just the fact he wouldn't openly reveal a real "secret" affair using real names on an album while maintaining that he was a faithful husband at all other times since that just doesn't make any sense . He was writing about a fictional character based on the idea of her name and stage persona.

[pacejunkie punk]

This topic reminds me of one interview I saw where he was asked whether Last Night on Earth was about his wife and he replied, "It better be or I'm in a lot of trouble!" 

[Hermione]

16 minutes ago, crock6000 said:

Indeed but Billie doesn't often write without purpose so it's possible, maybe? that he was just saying Amanda and Jones as maybe a combination of love lost and new love.  Just a thought.  Not even one I necessarily even believe but he was always jokingly in love with Reb Jones and so was every other person that ever saw her.  You are probably right but I just like to find meaning in things.

Oh yeah could definitely be a shout out to her (I like to think the "they say my middle name is Danger" is a shout out to Billie's son too ) or have some other meaning if it isn't just Amanda's actual last name or a randomly picked one to complete the line. I think "Amanda" is in there to tie it to the other songs but never considered where the Jones comes from.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said:

This topic reminds me of one interview I saw where he was asked whether Last Night on Earth was about his wife and he replied, "It better be or I'm in a lot of trouble!" 

How much trouble was he in after the trilogy then?! 

15 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Oh yeah could definitely be a shout out to her (I like to think the "they say my middle name is Danger" is a shout out to Billie's son too ) or have some other meaning if it isn't just Amanda's actual last name or a randomly picked one to complete the line. I think "Amanda" is in there to tie it to the other songs but never considered where the Jones comes from.

I figured that he was referencing Amanda but wouldn't use her real last name, remember he didn't even use her real name for years, so he combined her first name and the "Jones" from Rebecca Jones who was playing Whatsername. Obviously Whatsername being Amanda. 

[WhiteTim]

4 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Why do people assume all the songs Billie wrote about cheating on the trilogy suggest he cheated with Lady Cobra just because she was a guest vocalist and they had a fun song about her? She was a school friend of his who was engaged at the time of the recording of the trilogy and is now married. He could have been singing about anyone. The lyrics tend to indicate that the person he's singing about is younger than him. 

Cobra is in her 30's in what universe were she and Billie school friends???? 

[pacejunkie punk]

1 hour ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

How much trouble was he in after the trilogy then?! 

Exactly. These are the kinds of things I think about. 

[Caroline Truong]

I never realize Billie were ladies man..lol

..How many ex-girlfriend does Billie has?..First it was Erica,Amanda..who else?

Lady Cobra is in her 30s and she is in one of punk band, that Billie likes..and they were partying together in some club Nyc in 2009 and then Trilogy they did Duet Nightlife.

I am sure she is "Big" part of his life in that era.

[pouty bitch]

16 hours ago, Lauren said:

but why would you become so upset to the point of being suicidal about someone breaking up with you, when while you were in that relationship, you were writing things about longing for another woman? I can understand if they just met at a show and became good friends, but it was so much more than that. I remember in one of the documentaries, someone was saying Billie would keep asking Adrienne about the human sexualities class she was taking as an excuse to talk about sex, and you definitely don't write songs like 80 and 2000 lightyears away about someone you just want to be friends with. I can understand if maybe he really wanted to be with Adrienne but Adrienne just thought of him as a friend, and it would make sense he would continue dating Amanda in that case, but I don't understand why then he would be so upset about Amanda breaking up with him. I guess maybe because he still thought Adrienne didn't want to be with him?

I thought he wrote 80 and 2000 Lightyears Away before he started dating Amanda. Maybe he really really liked Adrienne, but then they lost contact when he was dating Amanda. Then, when Amanda left him, he got back into contact with Adrienne.

[Caroline Truong]

3 minutes ago, G-L-O-R-I-A said:

I thought he wrote 80 and 2000 Lightyears Away before he started dating Amanda. Maybe he really really liked Adrienne, but then they lost contact when he was dating Amanda. Then, when Amanda left him, he got back into contact with Adrienne.

This sound like real "Love Triangle in some Soap Opera"

I am wondering,what his wife's has heart of "steal" or something

I wouldn't  want my 'hushand" or any one who I like, doing this to me.

[unextraordinarygirl]

5 hours ago, neverdone2000 said:

I agree, no idea why people are being so literal about Lady Cobra

 

Thank you to those of you who clarified the timeline of Billie being with Erica when he met Adrienne and having lost touch w Adrienne when he was with Amanda, makes so much more sense.

Amanda dumped him to go to Ecuador, not Erica. Not to complicate things, but didn't Billie end the relationship with Erica, not the other way around? Thought some of you who are very knowledgable about this history might know that. 

In the book "Nobody Likes You" they interviewed Erica and she said she went to Ecuador. Could "Amanda" really be Erica? Hmmmm I guess we'll never really know the whole true story. 

[pacejunkie punk]

1 hour ago, unextraordinarygirl said:

In the book "Nobody Likes You" they interviewed Erica and she said she went to Ecuador. Could "Amanda" really be Erica? Hmmmm I guess we'll never really know the whole true story. 

I wouldn't trust that book, I found it to be full of mistakes.

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I wouldn't trust that book, I found it to be full of mistakes.

Yeah it sounds like they got Erica and Amanda confused, which is kind of funny. Still waiting to hear from @Hero_Of_The_Hour or any other knowledgeable person who might know the details of the breakup between Billie and Erica. It's my last little piece in this puzzle.

[thundercatmary]

I thought I remembered a quote that Erica broke up with him due to some shenanigans he was getting up to on tour. Not sure at all though if it's legit, trying to remember where I read it.

[Caroline Truong]

44 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said:

Yeah it sounds like they got Erica and Amanda confused, which is kind of funny. Still waiting to hear from @Hero_Of_The_Hour or any other knowledgeable person who might know the details of the breakup between Billie and Erica. It's my last little piece in this puzzle.

and Drama continue.."Sorry!" needed to said!

I think Amanda is Billie first, and Erica didn't she the punk girl, who lived upstair in same apartment or house where he used to lived? well that is what I read.

this is before Dookie came out.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

1 hour ago, thundercatmary said:

I thought I remembered a quote that Erica broke up with him due to some shenanigans he was getting up to on tour. Not sure at all though if it's legit, trying to remember where I read it.

Correct. Erica said she split with Billie following the 1991 tour because she felt it wouldn't be practical to continue the relationship with him touring so much considering what she'd been hearing he'd gotten up to on the road. She sorta implied he'd been with loads of groupies. Bare in mind she's still obviously friends with him given the family connections. She was probably legit pissed then though. To clarify Erica did not go to Ecuador. Amanda did. Remember the quote I posted? 

"When I wrote that song", says Armstrong, "It was right before Dookie came out and I was really at odds with myself. I was like man do I really want to do this? A lot of time I was thinking about suicide, how it's so easy to kill yourself, but it's so hard to stay alive. I was in a break-up with my then girlfriend, a total, raving punk rocker who didn't approve of me being on a major label. She moved down to Ecuador saying she couldn't live in a world with McDonald's and such. It was fucking me up pretty bad."

6 hours ago, WhiteTim said:

Cobra is in her 30's in what universe were she and Billie school friends???? 

Billie said it in one of the few TV interviews he did in 2012. 

[WhiteTim]

10 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Correct. Erica said she split with Billie following the 1991 tour because she felt it wouldn't be practical to continue the relationship with him touring so much considering what she'd been hearing he'd gotten up to on the road. She sorta implied he'd been with loads of groupies. Bare in mind she's still obviously friends with him given the family connections. She was probably legit pissed then though. To clarify Erica did not go to Ecuador. Amanda did. Remember the quote I posted? 

"When I wrote that song", says Armstrong, "It was right before Dookie came out and I was really at odds with myself. I was like man do I really want to do this? A lot of time I was thinking about suicide, how it's so easy to kill yourself, but it's so hard to stay alive. I was in a break-up with my then girlfriend, a total, raving punk rocker who didn't approve of me being on a major label. She moved down to Ecuador saying she couldn't live in a world with McDonald's and such. It was fucking me up pretty bad."

Billie said it in one of the few TV interviews he did in 2012. 

Billie must been high he is 45 she is a year older than me I don't think a 36 year old going to be in the same school at the same time as a 45 year old 

[pacejunkie punk]

I was trying to google how old she was (couldn't find it) but found this bit of conjecture and gossip instead that pretty much wonders at the same thing we were: 

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/does-green-day-have-yoko-ono-problem/

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

24 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

Billie must been high 

  Duh. It WAS 2012. 

Then again... Maybe he was telling an elaborate lie to throw off future conspiracies about an affair with Lady Cobra upon the albums release 

24 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I was trying to google how old she was (couldn't find it) but found this bit of conjecture and gossip instead that pretty much wonders at the same thing we were: 

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/does-green-day-have-yoko-ono-problem/

My biggest problem with this article is they are misrepresenting Yoko Ono. She didn't have an affair with John that led to two shitty songs on one album. She married John, had a child with him, hung around the studio a lot, influenced tonnes of his work, and formed a band with him. If Green Day have a "Yoko Ono problem" then these idiot writers could at least blame the person who married Billie, had kids with him, hangs around the studio, influences his work and formed a fleeting band with him  

[WhiteTim]

36 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I was trying to google how old she was (couldn't find it) but found this bit of conjecture and gossip instead that pretty much wonders at the same thing we were: 

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/does-green-day-have-yoko-ono-problem/

She posted on her birthday on her IG page a while back 

15 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

  Duh. It WAS 2012. 

Then again... Maybe he was telling an elaborate lie to throw off future conspiracies about an affair with Lady Cobra upon the albums release 

My biggest problem with this article is they are misrepresenting Yoko Ono. She didn't have an affair with John that led to two shitty songs on one album. She married John, had a child with him, hung around the studio a lot, influenced tonnes of his work, and formed a band with him. If Green Day have a "Yoko Ono problem" then these idiot writers could at least blame the person who married Billie, had kids with him, hangs around the studio, influences his work and formed a fleeting band with him  

Maybe on the first post 

there is a girl who has a blog who seriously blames everything on Billie's wife 😂

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

3 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

She posted on her birthday on her IG page a while back 

Maybe on the first post 

there is a girl who has a blog who seriously blames everything on Billie's wife 😂

Well then she'll love this... I just noticed Adrienne is following Yoko Ono on twitter  I'm not even joking. 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

1 hour ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said:

Correct. Erica said she split with Billie following the 1991 tour because she felt it wouldn't be practical to continue the relationship with him touring so much considering what she'd been hearing he'd gotten up to on the road. She sorta implied he'd been with loads of groupies. Bare in mind she's still obviously friends with him given the family connections. She was probably legit pissed then though. To clarify Erica did not go to Ecuador. Amanda did. 

You're an amazing source of info! How did you find all of this about Erica?

[Montclare]

8 hours ago, crock6000 said:

Indeed but Billie doesn't often write without purpose so it's possible, maybe? that he was just saying Amanda and Jones as maybe a combination of love lost and new love.  Just a thought.  Not even one I necessarily even believe but he was always jokingly in love with Reb Jones and so was every other person that ever saw her.  You are probably right but I just like to find meaning in things.

There's also a Rolling Stones song, Miss Amanda Jones.  Possible connection?

5 hours ago, unextraordinarygirl said:

In the book "Nobody Likes You" they interviewed Erica and she said she went to Ecuador. Could "Amanda" really be Erica? Hmmmm I guess we'll never really know the whole true story. 

Just pulled out the book- Erica said first she went to Europe and then Nicaragua.  So it's a pattern that when someone breaks up with Billie that they go to Central America.  

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

7 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said:

You're an amazing source of info! How did you find all of this about Erica?

I read way too much 

10 minutes ago, Montclare said:

There's also a Rolling Stones song, Miss Amanda Jones.  Possible connection?

But why pick a random song/song title out of nowhere that coincidentally happens to have the name Amanda in it? I think it's still pretty obvious he's referencing Amanda. Hell the first time he choose to properly name Amanda was on the trilogy in the song Amanda and then we also get the Amanda reference in Fuck Time. No way that's a dumb coincidence. 

Remember this is a guy who wrote a fucking rock opera about "whatsername" etc