Songs about Amanda

[GreenDayTheory]

3 minutes ago, Caroline Truong said:

I think the song Stay the Night is about "one night stand" thingy, and Stray Heart as well.

Who know,.. who he is talking about? maybe Lady Cobra?..I heard or read few that he have something going on with her.

That is reason why he wrote the song "Lady Cobra" Fuck time!..and Nightlife..etc..from Dos cd.

Stray Heart was about cheating then in the end,being alone

[Caroline Truong]

1 minute ago, GreenDayTheory said:

Stray Heart was about cheating then in the end,being alone

yes..and .I am thinking about song "Oh Love?" is that cheating?..

[GreenDayTheory]

3 minutes ago, Caroline Truong said:

yes..and .I am thinking about song "Oh Love?" is that cheating?..

I think this was from a man that fell in love with a dancer 

[Lauren]

Wow, all the documentaries I've watched made it seem like the second Billie met Adrienne on tour, he fell in love with her and they were "together" (long distance) that whole time. That's why I was always so confused how he could be so hung up on Amanda when he met Adrienne so young that it's not like he could have dated Amanda for very long -- but you guys are saying they dated until a few months before Dookie came out? So Billie wrote 80 and 2000 LYA while dating Amanda?! I'd break up with him too, it was obvious he was falling in love with Adrienne and wanted to be with her instead! That's kind of puzzling then why he would be so upset about the breakup when it "allowed" him to finally be with Adrienne.

[GreenDayTheory]

3 minutes ago, Lauren said:

Wow, all the documentaries I've watched made it seem like the second Billie met Adrienne on tour, he fell in love with her and they were "together" (long distance) that whole time. That's why I was always so confused how he could be so hung up on Amanda when he met Adrienne so young that it's not like he could have dated Amanda for very long -- but you guys are saying they dated until a few months before Dookie came out? So Billie wrote 80 and 2000 LYA while dating Amanda?! I'd break up with him too, it was obvious he was falling in love with Adrienne and wanted to be with her instead! That's kind of puzzling then why he would be so upset about the breakup when it "allowed" him to finally be with Adrienne.

This is so confusing

[unextraordinarygirl]

This debate leaves me with more questions than answers.  

[Lauren]

9 minutes ago, Caroline Truong said:

Who know,.. who he is talking about? maybe Lady Cobra?..I heard or read few that he have something going on with her.

In the song Lady Cobra, the lyrics "I don't want a suicide, I don't want this to end, I just wanna be your friend" seem to me like he came really close to cheating, but didn't. The "suicide" he doesn't want is to wreck his marriage. but he also doesn't want it to end because he loves being with Lady Cobra. So he's saying he just wants to be her friend, even though he probably is attracted to her -- the lyrics "do you wanna play a game of twister like a dirty old man with a babysitter?" (I'm sure he's several years older than her) and "cuddle up with me real tight, talk to me by candle light" strongly support the idea of him wanting to be as close as he possibly can physically wise with her, without actually having sex/cheating. 

[GreenDayTheory]

7 minutes ago, Lauren said:

Wow, all the documentaries I've watched made it seem like the second Billie met Adrienne on tour, he fell in love with her and they were "together" (long distance) that whole time. That's why I was always so confused how he could be so hung up on Amanda when he met Adrienne so young that it's not like he could have dated Amanda for very long -- but you guys are saying they dated until a few months before Dookie came out? So Billie wrote 80 and 2000 LYA while dating Amanda?! I'd break up with him too, it was obvious he was falling in love with Adrienne and wanted to be with her instead! That's kind of puzzling then why he would be so upset about the breakup when it "allowed" him to finally be with Adrienne.

I think she dumped her.

And he is just befriending Adrienne 

4 minutes ago, Lauren said:

In the song Lady Cobra, the lyrics "I don't want a suicide, I don't want this to end, I just wanna be your friend" seem to me like he came really close to cheating, but didn't. The "suicide" he doesn't want is to wreck his marriage. but he also doesn't want it to end because he loves being with Lady Cobra. So he's saying he just wants to be her friend, even though he probably is attracted to her -- the lyrics "do you wanna play a game of twister like a dirty old man with a babysitter?" (I'm sure he's several years older than her) and "cuddle up with me real tight, talk to me by candle light" strongly support the idea of him wanting to be as close as he possibly can physically wise with her, without actually having sex/cheating. 

Pedophile Alert

[unextraordinarygirl]

That's what I originally heard is that Amanda dumped him and he took it really hard. Erica dumped him too to go to Equidor.  Poor guy, he was unlucky in love before Adrienne; then his luck changed.

[GreenDayTheory]

3 minutes ago, unextraordinarygirl said:

That's what I originally heard is that Amanda dumped him and he took it really hard. Erica dumped him too to go to Equidor.  Poor guy, he was unlucky in love before Adrienne; then his luck changed.

He was lucky Adrienne was a great wife 

[Lauren]

Just now, GreenDayTheory said:

I think she dumped her.

And he is just befriending Adrienne 

but why would you become so upset to the point of being suicidal about someone breaking up with you, when while you were in that relationship, you were writing things about longing for another woman? I can understand if they just met at a show and became good friends, but it was so much more than that. I remember in one of the documentaries, someone was saying Billie would keep asking Adrienne about the human sexualities class she was taking as an excuse to talk about sex, and you definitely don't write songs like 80 and 2000 lightyears away about someone you just want to be friends with. I can understand if maybe he really wanted to be with Adrienne but Adrienne just thought of him as a friend, and it would make sense he would continue dating Amanda in that case, but I don't understand why then he would be so upset about Amanda breaking up with him. I guess maybe because he still thought Adrienne didn't want to be with him?

[unextraordinarygirl]

Just now, GreenDayTheory said:

He was lucky Adrienne was a great wife 

That's why I said his luck changed.

[GreenDayTheory]

3 minutes ago, Lauren said:

but why would you become so upset to the point of being suicidal about someone breaking up with you, when while you were in that relationship, you were writing things about longing for another woman? I can understand if they just met at a show and became good friends, but it was so much more than that. I remember in one of the documentaries, someone was saying Billie would keep asking Adrienne about the human sexualities class she was taking as an excuse to talk about sex, and you definitely don't write songs like 80 and 2000 lightyears away about someone you just want to be friends with. I can understand if maybe he really wanted to be with Adrienne but Adrienne just thought of him as a friend, and it would make sense he would continue dating Amanda in that case, but I don't understand why then he would be so upset about Amanda breaking up with him. I guess maybe because he still thought Adrienne didn't want to be with him?

I think he would never be close to Adrienne like what 2000 Lightyears said??

If you definitely love someone,you will go suicidal if he/she leaves you (Based on my own experience)

[pacejunkie punk]

Yeah, I was wondering about Lady Cobra. You see them recording together in Cuatro definitely seems like there's a story there.

As for why Amanda dumping him hit him so hard, I have a theory about that, and that is the boy has abandonment issues. Understandable for someone losing a parent as a child. He's clung tight to every relationship he's formed since that time beginning with his guitar Blue to Mike to Green Day to Reprise Records to Adrienne. He holds tight and doesn't let go.  He took Amanda hard as well as the betrayal of Gilman Street and both inspired a lot of therapy songwriting. I'm not sure his reaction had a whole lot to do with Amanda personally in other words I think it could have been anybody who abandoned him, it's like a trigger.

[Lauren]

Just now, GreenDayTheory said:

I think he would never be close to Adrienne like what 2000 Lightyears said??

If you definitely love someone,you will go suicidal if he/she leaves you (Based on my own experience)

yeah, but he seems really upset by her being so far away. it's not really an "oh well, I have a girlfriend here so I don't really need you" kind of song. It's more like "wow, I really want to be with you, and it absolutely sucks that you live so far away". and I'm not saying that breakups don't make people upset, but it completely changes perspective now that I know he and Amanda were still dating when he met Adrienne. I had always thought they broke up beforehand, so he didn't know there was another girl out there for him. but it seems like he wanted to be with adrienne the second he met her, so it now seems like he was only continuing his relationship with Amanda because Adrienne was too far away.

[GreenDayTheory]

4 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Yeah, I was wondering about Lady Cobra. You see them recording together in Cuatro definitely seems like there's a story there.

As for why Amanda dumping him hit him so hard, I have a theory about that, and that is the boy has abandonment issues. Understandable for someone losing a parent as a child. He's clung tight to every relationship he's formed since that time beginning with his guitar Blue to Mike to Green Day to Reprise Records to Adrienne. He holds tight and doesn't let go.  He took Amanda hard as well as the betrayal of Gilman Street and both inspired a lot of therapy songwriting. I'm not sure his reaction had a whole lot to do with Amanda personally in other words I think it could have been anybody who abandoned him, it's like a trigger.

You forgot when he lost his father and that things hurt so much

3 minutes ago, Lauren said:

yeah, but he seems really upset by her being so far away. it's not really an "oh well, I have a girlfriend here so I don't really need you" kind of song. It's more like "wow, I really want to be with you, and it absolutely sucks that you live so far away". and I'm not saying that breakups don't make people upset, but it completely changes perspective now that I know he and Amanda were still dating when he met Adrienne. I had always thought they broke up beforehand, so he didn't know there was another girl out there for him. but it seems like he wanted to be with adrienne the second he met her, so it now seems like he was only continuing his relationship with Amanda because Adrienne was too far away.

Yeah,he never thought about Adrienne moving close to him so he just stayed with Amanda,then she dumped her then he told Adrienne,Can you please be with me

[pacejunkie punk]

20 minutes ago, GreenDayTheory said:

Yeah,he never thought about Adrienne moving close to him so he just stayed with Amanda,then she dumped her then he told Adrienne,Can you please be with me

Yeah his reaction was basically to turn to Adrienne and say move to Cali and marry me. Makes sense if you think about his psychological baggage. Fortunately an emotional impulsive decision on both their parts turned out to be a good one.

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

@Lauren Everything you said I've wondered about too. I'm really glad to hear I'm not the only one who finds the time sequence of events and Billie's emotions to be so confusing in regards to Amanda and Adrienne between 1990-1994. And yes, documentaries make it seem much different, like he and Adrienne were in a serious long distance relationship for 4 years.

It's a private thing, but at the same time this is a natural question for dedicated Green Day fans to have knowing how many songs he has written about both of these women. He hasn't exactly hidden the drama he went through because of Amanda.

I agree with @pacejunkie punk that Billie has (or had) abandonment issues and that he is just one of those people who becomes very enmeshed with whoever he is in a romantic relationship with. Obviously he has never since the age of 16 been without a girlfriend or wife for a significant amount of time. I've also read in interviews that he can't go more than 2 weeks without having Adrienne join him on tour. He's needy.

[Montclare]

1 hour ago, Lauren said:

Wow, all the documentaries I've watched made it seem like the second Billie met Adrienne on tour, he fell in love with her and they were "together" (long distance) that whole time. That's why I was always so confused how he could be so hung up on Amanda when he met Adrienne so young that it's not like he could have dated Amanda for very long -- but you guys are saying they dated until a few months before Dookie came out? So Billie wrote 80 and 2000 LYA while dating Amanda?! I'd break up with him too, it was obvious he was falling in love with Adrienne and wanted to be with her instead! That's kind of puzzling then why he would be so upset about the breakup when it "allowed" him to finally be with Adrienne.

He wasn't with Amanda when he met Adrienne; he was with Erica.  Erica was apx 1988-1991.  He met Adrienne in 1990.  So he was writing songs for Arienne when he was still with Erica, not Amanda.  Amanda was 1992 or 1993, which is right about the time when he said he lost touch with Adrienne for a year.

[Caroline Truong]

3 hours ago, Lauren said:

In the song Lady Cobra, the lyrics "I don't want a suicide, I don't want this to end, I just wanna be your friend" seem to me like he came really close to cheating, but didn't. The "suicide" he doesn't want is to wreck his marriage. but he also doesn't want it to end because he loves being with Lady Cobra. So he's saying he just wants to be her friend, even though he probably is attracted to her -- the lyrics "do you wanna play a game of twister like a dirty old man with a babysitter?" (I'm sure he's several years older than her) and "cuddle up with me real tight, talk to me by candle light" strongly support the idea of him wanting to be as close as he possibly can physically wise with her, without actually having sex/cheating. 

No, I thought that song Lady Cobra, he wanted to be friend with her having  "sexual" fling with but he doesn't want to have relationship and he doesn't want to lead her on..

I think Billie is being "GUY"" AND HAVING FUN didn't he mention in interview "Dos" is like "Party gone wrong"

Which what being Rock Star is all about, which the song "Oh Love".(watch music video prove it)..is about "Party with Girls"

well that is what I think?..

 

 

[Hermione]

7 hours ago, Lauren said:

yeah, but he seems really upset by her being so far away. it's not really an "oh well, I have a girlfriend here so I don't really need you" kind of song. It's more like "wow, I really want to be with you, and it absolutely sucks that you live so far away". and I'm not saying that breakups don't make people upset, but it completely changes perspective now that I know he and Amanda were still dating when he met Adrienne. I had always thought they broke up beforehand, so he didn't know there was another girl out there for him. but it seems like he wanted to be with adrienne the second he met her, so it now seems like he was only continuing his relationship with Amanda because Adrienne was too far away.

We don't know the exact details of any of these relationships though. We don't know if or when they briefly broke up/got back together or how serious/casual they were at any given point or whatever. So you really can't judge much about the people involved from it. What we do know from interviews is he met Adrienne on tour and fell for her and they struck up a long distance relationship, but it didn't last long and they both dated other people. Doesn't mean the whole time between that and when they got back together he was pining for her.

I really don't think this thread should be about judging these relationships that we only know snippets about. It's about which songs are about which people.

5 hours ago, crock6000 said:

Is Jones her last name, I always thought it was a shout to Rebecca Jones who originally played whathername on the oroginical musical and man was I fucking in love with Reb. She steals hearts without knowing it, that one.

I don't know the reason for the Jones but I think he only added in the name Amanda *something* to the song to tie it into the "story" of the albums. No name was ever mentioned in the original lyrics when they played it as FBHT. 

I also don't think the story/characters on the trilogy are meant to be taken literally. It's more like he used "Amanda" and "Lady Cobra" as fictional characters to tell a story about giving in to the temptations of the rock and roll lifestyle/having a midlife crisis and what the consequences of that would be than a literal account of anything.

[GreenDayTheory]

3 hours ago, Montclare said:

He wasn't with Amanda when he met Adrienne; he was with Erica.  Erica was apx 1988-1991.  He met Adrienne in 1990.  So he was writing songs for Arienne when he was still with Erica, not Amanda.  Amanda was 1992 or 1993, which is right about the time when he said he lost touch with Adrienne for a year.

Ok I can breathe now 

[Lauren]

6 hours ago, Hermione said:

We don't know the exact details of any of these relationships though. We don't know if or when they briefly broke up/got back together or how serious/casual they were at any given point or whatever. So you really can't judge much about the people involved from it. What we do know from interviews is he met Adrienne on tour and fell for her and they struck up a long distance relationship, but it didn't last long and they both dated other people. Doesn't mean the whole time between that and when they got back together he was pining for her.

I really don't think this thread should be about judging these relationships that we only know snippets about. It's about which songs are about which people.

I'm definitely not judging him, I was just confused about it all because of the way I've always heard it was that he fell in love with Adrienne the second he met her and it was happily ever after from there. I had no idea that Amanda was after he met Adrienne, I've always assumed it was all before. Usually, when writing a song about someone specific, it's because you feel strongly about them (whether positive or negative), so he definitely felt strongly about Adrienne, especially because he even used her name in a sense (80/Adie). I'm not sure if any of the love songs around that time were about Amanda; they all seem to be songs about/after the breakup. but using Adrienne's name, in my opinion, meant there was something particularly special about her -- a lot of people will just write songs using "you" or "she" so even though they had someone in mind when they originally wrote it, that someone can change as they move on and date new people. Again, I'm not judging him for being upset that he was dumped -- I'm more just confused as to why he was SO upset (like upset enough to write so many songs about this one breakup in particular -- again, you usually only write songs when you feel strongly about something) because it seems like he liked Adrienne a thousand times more. Obviously, I know that I don't know the whole story, which is why I was making conversation and seeing if anyone had any other information. 

8 hours ago, Montclare said:

He wasn't with Amanda when he met Adrienne; he was with Erica.  Erica was apx 1988-1991.  He met Adrienne in 1990.  So he was writing songs for Arienne when he was still with Erica, not Amanda.  Amanda was 1992 or 1993, which is right about the time when he said he lost touch with Adrienne for a year.

Oh, ok, that makes sense. By the time he was dating Amanda, he probably figured Adrienne was a lost cause. In that case, it makes much more sense as to why he took the breakup so badly.

[Hermione]

12 minutes ago, Lauren said:

I'm definitely not judging him, I was just confused about it all because of the way I've always heard it was that he fell in love with Adrienne the second he met her and it was happily ever after from there. I had no idea that Amanda was after he met Adrienne, I've always assumed it was all before. Usually, when writing a song about someone specific, it's because you feel strongly about them (whether positive or negative), so he definitely felt strongly about Adrienne, especially because he even used her name in a sense (80/Adie). I'm not sure if any of the love songs around that time were about Amanda; they all seem to be songs about/after the breakup. but using Adrienne's name, in my opinion, meant there was something particularly special about her -- a lot of people will just write songs using "you" or "she" so even though they had someone in mind when they originally wrote it, that someone can change as they move on and date new people. Again, I'm not judging him for being upset that he was dumped -- I'm more just confused as to why he was SO upset (like upset enough to write so many songs about this one breakup in particular -- again, you usually only write songs when you feel strongly about something) because it seems like he liked Adrienne a thousand times more. Obviously, I know that I don't know the whole story, which is why I was making conversation and seeing if anyone had any other information. 

I guess it is confusing, but what I'm saying is we don't know the exact details of when he was with people. They were all young and not all these relationships were constant. He might've been on a break when he met Adrienne and wrote those songs, the long distance relationship with Adrienne might've totally fizzled out (for the time being) by the time the breakup happened. There's just no way to make accurate sense of it or start drawing conclusions about Billie's feelings etc when we'll never have all the details of the timeline.

[pacejunkie punk]

6 hours ago, Hermione said:

I also don't think the story/characters on the trilogy are meant to be taken literally. It's more like he used "Amanda" and "Lady Cobra" as fictional characters to tell a story about giving in to the temptations of the rock and roll lifestyle/having a midlife crisis and what the consequences of that would be than a literal account of anything.

While it's true you should never read too much into song lyrics, it's harder with a songwriter like Billie because he admits that so much of his writing is autobiography. He writes almost exclusively about what he's feeling and you can draw a straight line to many songs and actual known events. So it can be hard to know where to draw that line. Sometimes those songs are about other people's experiences not his own but they are rarely complete fiction.