Hermione Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 3 hours ago, neverdone2000 said: Oh I absolutely know that he loved Amanda and she was very important to him, that's obvious. All the more reason that Adrienne is very cool not to not hold it against him that he has as many songs about Amanda as he does her. 😂 There was an Idiot Club interview with Adrienne a few years ago where she got asked about that, unfortunately I don't think it exists anywhere now but she gave a really good answer saying how it absolutely doesn't bother her, that everyone has different people who've meant a lot to them in life and it's part of being an artist to express that and she'd never want to stand in the way of it. Really gave the impression she's 100% for it and isn't bothered by it. Also it's not like he writes songs saying he loves her in the present, it's clear he's writing based on a past experience (which everyone has had), and meanwhile he's written too many love songs for Adrienne to count, so I don't really think it's that remarkable for her to be alright with it. 3 hours ago, neverdone2000 said: Seriously though, the timeline of these relationships confuses me greatly. If you watch the VH1 special about Billie, it makes it sound like Billie talked Adrienne into moving to California on the promise he would marry her. So they had to be more than pen pals when she moved there. Obviously when he was in the intense relationship with Amanda he wasn't with Adrienne, but there is not a great deal of time between him being almost suicidal over Amanda and marrying Adrienne. As I said, it's confusing. I think it was quick when they got back together/married but he didn't promise marriage before she moved there. From what he's said it sounds like a bit after his dramatic breakup he decided to give the relationship with Adrienne another shot and called her and they ended up rekindling the relationship over the phone in a short space of time, and she decided to take the plunge and take him up on the offer of moving out there to be with him. And then they decided to get married after a few weeks together. All very quick but not necessarily that confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 4 hours ago, Hermione said: There was an Idiot Club interview with Adrienne a few years ago where she got asked about that, unfortunately I don't think it exists anywhere now but she gave a really good answer saying how it absolutely doesn't bother her, that everyone has different people who've meant a lot to them in life and it's part of being an artist to express that and she'd never want to stand in the way of it. Really gave the impression she's 100% for it and isn't bothered by it. Also it's not like he writes songs saying he loves her in the present, it's clear he's writing based on a past experience (which everyone has had), and meanwhile he's written too many love songs for Adrienne to count, so I don't really think it's that remarkable for her to be alright with it. I think it was quick when they got back together/married but he didn't promise marriage before she moved there. From what he's said it sounds like a bit after his dramatic breakup he decided to give the relationship with Adrienne another shot and called her and they ended up rekindling the relationship over the phone in a short space of time, and she decided to take the plunge and take him up on the offer of moving out there to be with him. And then they decided to get married after a few weeks together. All very quick but not necessarily that confusing. Moving to the other side of the US, getting married after a couple weeks with a new boyfriend and having a kid??? That might not be confusing but it's one hell of a trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 7 hours ago, neverdone2000 said: Seriously though, the timeline of these relationships confuses me greatly. If you watch the VH1 special about Billie, it makes it sound like Billie talked Adrienne into moving to California on the promise he would marry her. So they had to be more than pen pals when she moved there. Obviously when he was in the intense relationship with Amanda he wasn't with Adrienne, but there is not a great deal of time between him being almost suicidal over Amanda and marrying Adrienne. As I said, it's confusing. Billie is always rewriting history Obviously we know however that when he initially met Adrienne, Billie was in a relationship with Erica whom he'd been with since he was 16 (so it's safe to assume it was fairly serious) and Adrienne was engaged to Billy Bison of Libido Boyz. Following Billie's split with Erica he then began his relationship with Amanda which we know was serious enough to continue inspiring him to the present day and to leave him feeling suicidal so Billie is probably being accurate/truthful now when he describes his relationship with Adrienne as just "penpals" prior to her moving out to California. If Billie was already partly in a relationship with Adrienne, the woman he would marry a few months after splitting with Amanda, then why would he be suicidal over his split?! We also know Adrienne was pregnant when they got married so I guess things just moved really, really fast within a few weeks/months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Joes Eyelids Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: Billie is always rewriting history Obviously we know however that when he initially met Adrienne, Billie was in a relationship with Erica whom he'd been with since he was 16 (so it's safe to assume it was fairly serious) and Adrienne was engaged to Billy Bison of Libido Boyz. Following Billie's split with Erica he then began his relationship with Amanda which we know was serious enough to continue inspiring him to the present day and to leave him feeling suicidal so Billie is probably being accurate/truthful now when he describes his relationship with Adrienne as just "penpals" prior to her moving out to California. If Billie was already partly in a relationship with Adrienne, the woman he would marry a few months after splitting with Amanda, then why would he be suicidal over his split?! We also know Adrienne was pregnant when they got married so I guess things just moved really, really fast within a few weeks/months. Thank you for clarifying the timeline and that Billie and Adrienne's relationship happened very quickly. That's the part that confused me, because it's not exactly how their relationship is presented by interviews, which are probably edited. In the VH1 interview, which is the most in-depth I've seen of the two of them talking about how the met, etc, it is very glossed over. Adrienne does actually say that Billie called her and said "Move out here, I want to marry you". In any case, it obviously sounds like it happened within a matter of months of the breakup with Amanda. It's fascinating to me that what looks like a rebound relationship ended up being so beautiful and solid. What are the chances? How did Billie not see all along that this was the love of his life, and when did he realize it? It's just a very unusual love story and things like that don't normally turn out so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDayTheory Posted June 24, 2017 Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said: Thank you for clarifying the timeline and that Billie and Adrienne's relationship happened very quickly. That's the part that confused me, because it's not exactly how their relationship is presented by interviews, which are probably edited. In the VH1 interview, which is the most in-depth I've seen of the two of them talking about how the met, etc, it is very glossed over. Adrienne does actually say that Billie called her and said "Move out here, I want to marry you". In any case, it obviously sounds like it happened within a matter of months of the breakup with Amanda. It's fascinating to me that what looks like a rebound relationship ended up being so beautiful and solid. What are the chances? How did Billie not see all along that this was the love of his life, and when did he realize it? It's just a very unusual love story and things like that don't normally turn out so well. That happens like Bille clearly needed another one to help him heal his heart so he called Adrienne,Said I want to marry you now,I need someone then He clearly fell in love with Her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Joes Eyelids Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, GreenDayTheory said: That happens like Bille clearly needed another one to help him heal his heart so he called Adrienne,Said I want to marry you now,I need someone then He clearly fell in love with Her People don't normally ask someone to marry them to heal their heart 😂. Maybe go on a few dates first!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDayTheory Posted June 24, 2017 Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 29 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said: People don't normally ask someone to marry them to heal their heart 😂. Maybe go on a few dates first!? Yeah probably Edit:They were already penpals so there's still chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 hours ago, neverdone2000 said: Thank you for clarifying the timeline and that Billie and Adrienne's relationship happened very quickly. That's the part that confused me, because it's not exactly how their relationship is presented by interviews, which are probably edited. In the VH1 interview, which is the most in-depth I've seen of the two of them talking about how the met, etc, it is very glossed over. Adrienne does actually say that Billie called her and said "Move out here, I want to marry you". In any case, it obviously sounds like it happened within a matter of months of the breakup with Amanda. It's fascinating to me that what looks like a rebound relationship ended up being so beautiful and solid. What are the chances? How did Billie not see all along that this was the love of his life, and when did he realize it? It's just a very unusual love story and things like that don't normally turn out so well. I find it unclear too, especially when you consider the fact he got "80" tattooed on his hip around 1990 not long after they met (not to mention the song 80) and he wrote 2000 Light Years Away around 1992 (?) where he sounds like he loves her and misses her badly. They may have been in other relationships all that time but it seemed like he had it bad for Adrienne for a long time they just weren't officially a couple. But he didn't just think of her as just a friend, it seems to me. Can't explain Amanda but considering she was an intense person it seems like it was just an intense relationship with a big dramatic ending. I think there was quite a bit of overlap though, like Amanda was the reality at the time but Adrienne was his ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Joes Eyelids Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 33 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: I find it unclear too, especially when you consider the fact he got "80" tattooed on his hip around 1990 not long after they met (not to mention the song 80) and he wrote 2000 Light Years Away around 1992 (?) where he sounds like he loves her and misses her badly. They may have been in other relationships all that time but it seemed like he had it bad for Adrienne for a long time they just weren't officially a couple. But he didn't just think of her as just a friend, it seems to me. Can't explain Amanda but considering she was an intense person it seems like it was just an intense relationship with a big dramatic ending. I think there was quite a bit of overlap though, like Amanda was the reality at the time but Adrienne was his ideal. Exactly! There are so many examples that indicate Billie & Adrienne were much more than friends between 1990 and 1994, which is why I've always been baffled by the Amanda thing. I guess this triangle (and maybe add Adrienne's ex-fiancé in there), is the perfect example of "It's complicated". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said: Exactly! There are so many examples that indicate Billie & Adrienne were much more than friends between 1990 and 1994, which is why I've always been baffled by the Amanda thing. I guess this triangle (and maybe add Adrienne's ex-fiancé in there), is the perfect example of "It's complicated". Worked out in the end though didn't it? My god she's so perfect for him. If it couldn't be me I'm glad it's Adrienne. 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Joes Eyelids Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 25 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Worked out in the end though didn't it? My god she's so perfect for him. If it couldn't be me I'm glad it's Adrienne. 😊 Yes! Can you imagine if he'd stayed with Amanda? He probably would have ended up in some third world country. There would have been no Dookie, and probably no Green Day. Thank you Adrienne!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I'm glad he met her again though and put some closure on the whole thing, otherwise you'll always wonder about them and what might have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 5 hours ago, neverdone2000 said: Yes! Can you imagine if he'd stayed with Amanda? He probably would have ended up in some third world country. There would have been no Dookie, and probably no Green Day. Thank you Adrienne!! Dookie was released before he was with Adrienne. He was going through his break up with Amanda right before it came out in February. Actually I thank Amanda for inspiring the greatest album ever, American Idiot! She has inspired more amazing songs than any human ever. Who knows what would have happened if Billie had stayed with her lol. It's unfair to say he'd be in a third world country as though she would be a negative influence when clearly she's influenced /inspired his music for decades after they've split. She must have been truly inspirational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montclare Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I've also been interested in the timeline with Erica. It's been presented that they were together from 1988-1991. But there's an interview in 1991 when he said he had just broken up with her after a year and a half. And Paper Lanterns (1990) was about a girl named Jennifer (Sean Hughes' sister? I remember reading he had a crush on her, but forgot her name). And he had 80 tattooed on him by 1991; don't know if it was before or after his break-up with Erica. So that 1988-1991 timeline seems a little odd. Going back to Amanda/Adrienne, I remember an interview during the Warning era where he mentioned he lost touch with Adrienne for about a year. Must have been 1992-1993. Not sure how/why he lost touch with her, but it seems it while he was with Amanda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I think Adrienne has inspired more songs than Amanda. We should make a list and compare. Now I'm curious. I'm guessing it will be Adrienne, Billie has said she's easy to write for. Amanda: Good Riddance, She, She's A Rebel, Amanda, Whatsername.... (help me out here) Adrienne: 80, 2000 Light Years Away, Westbound Sign, Last of the American Girls, Church on Sunday, Extraordinary Girl (?), Wild One, Missing You, Youngblood...(what else) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: I think Adrienne has inspired more songs than Amanda. We should make a list and compare. Now I'm curious. I'm guessing it will be Adrienne, Billie has said she's easy to write for. Amanda: Good Riddance, She, She's A Rebel, Amanda, Whatsername.... (help me out here) Adrienne: 80, 2000 Light Years Away, Westbound Sign, Last of the American Girls, Church on Sunday, Extraordinary Girl (?), Wild One, Missing You, Youngblood...(what else) To add to your list... Amanda: Sassafras Roots, Stuart & The Ave, Extraordinary Girl, Armatage Shanks Adrienne: Last Night on Earth, Redundant, Sweet 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: I think Adrienne has inspired more songs than Amanda. We should make a list and compare. Now I'm curious. I'm guessing it will be Adrienne, Billie has said she's easy to write for. Amanda: Good Riddance, She, She's A Rebel, Amanda, Whatsername.... (help me out here) Adrienne: 80, 2000 Light Years Away, Westbound Sign, Last of the American Girls, Church on Sunday, Extraordinary Girl (?), Wild One, Missing You, Youngblood...(what else) Extraordinary Girl is under the Amanda list and unless I'm missing something Wild One is one of the unknown songs of the trilogy era. There are many from then that are clearly not about Adrienne but it's unclear who they are about eg Drama Queen, Stay The Night, Troublemaker etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 40 minutes ago, Montclare said: I've also been interested in the timeline with Erica. It's been presented that they were together from 1988-1991. But there's an interview in 1991 when he said he had just broken up with her after a year and a half. And Paper Lanterns (1990) was about a girl named Jennifer (Sean Hughes' sister? I remember reading he had a crush on her, but forgot her name). And he had 80 tattooed on him by 1991; don't know if it was before or after his break-up with Erica. So that 1988-1991 timeline seems a little odd. Going back to Amanda/Adrienne, I remember an interview during the Warning era where he mentioned he lost touch with Adrienne for about a year. Must have been 1992-1993. Not sure how/why he lost touch with her, but it seems it while he was with Amanda. Erica was Billie's first proper girlfriend and they met in Gilman and were a couple from when Billie was 16 until after the tour in 1991. She was interviewed in a Green Day book and is credited as a photographer in some of their discographies. She was known as the first Green Day fan because she used to listen to their first ever demos. She's the sister of Mike Pelino who was their touring guitarist during American Idiot tour and she's the sister-in-law of Janna White, Jason's wife! Back when she was dating Billie he wrote Christie Road for her and when Billie was 17 and homeless she also used to stay in the warehouse with him above the brothel which inspired Welcome To Paradise. This is another interesting fact which was backed up by Bill Schneider in the book and makes sense because Billie was living in a warehouse at 17/18. However he lived in various houses after that including the "house o toast" with Aaron Cometbus and now claims that he and Adrienne were only penpals until she moved to california after the release of Dookie. Oddly however he has claimed Adrienne visited him in the warehouse. Wtf?! She would have had to have known him aged 17. It's impossible. I don't get why he says this stuff. Clearly it was Erica who stayed with him in the warehouse. She and Bill said it and the timeline makes sense. I swear Billie talks so much shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Wow now I'm really confused. On a related topic, as long as we're playing the game of who was this written for, judging by some of the songs in the trilogy (Stay the Night, Stray Heart, etc.) and how f**ked up he was by that point, do you think he ever cheated on her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyChunks Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 20 hours ago, Hermione said: There was an Idiot Club interview with Adrienne a few years ago where she got asked about that, unfortunately I don't think it exists anywhere now but she gave a really good answer saying how it absolutely doesn't bother her, that everyone has different people who've meant a lot to them in life and it's part of being an artist to express that and she'd never want to stand in the way of it. Really gave the impression she's 100% for it and isn't bothered by it. Also it's not like he writes songs saying he loves her in the present, it's clear he's writing based on a past experience (which everyone has had), and meanwhile he's written too many love songs for Adrienne to count, so I don't really think it's that remarkable for her to be alright with it. I think it was quick when they got back together/married but he didn't promise marriage before she moved there. From what he's said it sounds like a bit after his dramatic breakup he decided to give the relationship with Adrienne another shot and called her and they ended up rekindling the relationship over the phone in a short space of time, and she decided to take the plunge and take him up on the offer of moving out there to be with him. And then they decided to get married after a few weeks together. All very quick but not necessarily that confusing. Adrienne is a magnificent human being and of course she would have given such a perfect answer to this question. I know her relatively low profile is what she's chosen and I totally respect her choice given how amazing she is, but if she had chosen to be more outspoken and visible she would blow so many people away with her intelligence, tactfulness, and thoughtfulness. It'd be natural for fans to say "wow, how lucky it must be to be Billie's wife" but I honestly think that despite his mega stardom she's a balancing force of nature in her own right and they were meant for each other. I've met a few major thought leaders and politicians and a conversation with her is on par with anyone I've ever spoken with. I did have a chance to ask her about how cool it was to have so many amazing songs written about herself (mentioning Westbound, 80, LNOE, etc.) and she gave the perfect response (paraphrasing)- it's great, it's all Billie and how he expresses himself, I'm happy to be part of our life together and it's been an amazing journey. It's something that we've been lucky to experience and he's an amazing talent who can put it into song beautifully. The whole Amanda thing never came up in conversation but the interview cited by Hermione sounds exactly like how she would have answered. I can't do it justice here but she really is impressive. I'd hope she'd run for politics or something someday but honestly she's too good for that nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Joes Eyelids Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 2 hours ago, TimmyChunks said: Adrienne is a magnificent human being and of course she would have given such a perfect answer to this question. I know her relatively low profile is what she's chosen and I totally respect her choice given how amazing she is, but if she had chosen to be more outspoken and visible she would blow so many people away with her intelligence, tactfulness, and thoughtfulness. It'd be natural for fans to say "wow, how lucky it must be to be Billie's wife" but I honestly think that despite his mega stardom she's a balancing force of nature in her own right and they were meant for each other. I've met a few major thought leaders and politicians and a conversation with her is on par with anyone I've ever spoken with. I did have a chance to ask her about how cool it was to have so many amazing songs written about herself (mentioning Westbound, 80, LNOE, etc.) and she gave the perfect response (paraphrasing)- it's great, it's all Billie and how he expresses himself, I'm happy to be part of our life together and it's been an amazing journey. It's something that we've been lucky to experience and he's an amazing talent who can put it into song beautifully. The whole Amanda thing never came up in conversation but the interview cited by Hermione sounds exactly like how she would have answered. I can't do it justice here but she really is impressive. I'd hope she'd run for politics or something someday but honestly she's too good for that nonsense. So just out of curiosity, how is it that you know Adrienne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Truong Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 7 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: Dookie was released before he was with Adrienne. He was going through his break up with Amanda right before it came out in February. Actually I thank Amanda for inspiring the greatest album ever, American Idiot! She has inspired more amazing songs than any human ever. Who knows what would have happened if Billie had stayed with her lol. It's unfair to say he'd be in a third world country as though she would be a negative influence when clearly she's influenced /inspired his music for decades after they've split. She must have been truly inspirational. Yeah, I read some where too American Idiot album and Magical is about relationship between Amanda and Billie I always thought that Billie/Amanda ship is more romantic and interesting, from most of songs that heard Billie wrote about her, then his wife i am sure if Billie ending up with Amanda it would be wonderful..well it is my expression because he still sing about her in concert from song: SHE and Good Riddance from RevRad tour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyChunks Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 21 hours ago, neverdone2000 said: So just out of curiosity, how is it that you know Adrienne? Unfortunately for me, I don't "know" her, I've just had a chance to interact through overlapping charity involvement. I've been lucky to spend quality time with her and she is close with a couple people I know. She's someone I've spent time with before and hope to do so again, but I'm not in the inner circle by any means. But I feel I've spent enough time to know what she's about- and it's all really good and impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDayTheory Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 Didn't actually expect this thread to be a Debate On June 24, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Amanda said: I was on my period, things got messy. It happens. Reveal hidden contents Sorry, GreenDayTheory, for the TMI. Stick around this place for an education par excellence. What do you mean?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Truong Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 On 6/24/2017 at 6:40 PM, pacejunkie punk said: Wow now I'm really confused. On a related topic, as long as we're playing the game of who was this written for, judging by some of the songs in the trilogy (Stay the Night, Stray Heart, etc.) and how f**ked up he was by that point, do you think he ever cheated on her? I think the song Stay the Night is about "one night stand" thingy, and Stray Heart as well. Who know,.. who he is talking about? maybe Lady Cobra?..I heard or read few that he have something going on with her. That is reason why he wrote the song "Lady Cobra" Fuck time!..and Nightlife..etc..from Dos cd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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