pacejunkie punk Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 21 minutes ago, moongirl said: A while back I read this interview from 1994 in Spin, here the whole Yohannon/Billie thing is kind of explained, but there definitely must be something more, Platypus is such a hateful song http://www.spin.com/2014/01/green-day-spin-1994-dookie-story-young-loud-snotty/ Thanks for that link. Great article. I love Mike's response to Billie spitting that beer -- rock solid best friend, that's classic Mike. 💚 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moongirl Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 39 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Thanks for that link. Great article. I love Mike's response to Billie spitting that beer -- rock solid best friend, that's classic Mike. 💚 Fuck yeah 💚 loved it too, so full of energy and friendship and 90s thing. Mike is just adorable, those nice and steady Taurean vibes putting up for his quirky Aquarian bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sara_gd Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 On 24/6/2017 at 6:46 PM, neverdone2000 said: Yes! Can you imagine if he'd stayed with Amanda? He probably would have ended up in some third world country. There would have been no Dookie, and probably no Green Day. Thank you Adrienne!! OMFG I only got through the first two pages but someone should make an Excel with all the dates and info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I'm wasting time trying to find audio from Webster Hall of 8th Avenue Serenade but it seems it's mysteriously vanished. Billie covering his tracks. Too late buddy. #ringgateconfirmed Bringing it back  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Truong Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 8 hours ago, Maria Gloria said: heartlikeadartboard on tumblr put together a post on all the songs that are confirmed to be about someone, and one with Billie's quotes about Amanda as well. They're not 100% complete but pretty good. http://heartlikeadartboard.tumblr.com/post/159759591351/green-day-songs-about-other-people http://heartlikeadartboard.tumblr.com/post/153387302788/billie-joe-armstrong-talks-about-his-ex-girlfriend I'm not convinced the Trilogy songs are about her, since he didn't mind disclosing that Amanda is about her at all, but I guess we'll never know for sure. wow! Some of these song about 'other people are" I don't really believed..I didn't know song Redundant Spoiler Redundant is about his wife?..Billie didn't met her until late 90s?..the song written early 90s right?.. and rest of song about "Amanda" I do know..She,She Rebel, S.Roots, Whatsername,Crump..Amanda..(why did he put this song on Triliogy) 9 hours ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: He wasn't living in a house in Oakland when he met Arica, he was 16 and he was still living at home. They met at Gilman Street and she was his first girlfriend. They were together until after Green Day's first tour in 1991. Arica stayed with him in a shitty warehouse when he was homeless. Armitage Shanks is written about Amanda. Billie explained he was suicidal after she broke up with him in 1994. he was homeless?..I thought he just wanted leave and find his own place that is what W.to.P is about?..and thanks.... about A.Shanks gee wizard what did Amanda do to him?..or he do to her??..the way he wrote is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, Caroline Truong said: wow! Some of these song about 'other people are" I don't really believed..I didn't know Hide contents Redundant is about his wife?..Billie didn't met her until late 90s?..the song written early 90s right?.. and rest of song about "Amanda" I do know..She,She Rebel, S.Roots, Whatsername,Crump..Amanda..(why did he put his song on Triliogy) He married Adrienne in 1994 and Redundant was released in 1997. This article explains how it's about his marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Truong Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, Maria Gloria said: He married Adrienne in 1994 and Redundant was released in 1997. This article explains how it's about his marriage. quote:“Redundant”, a track that mirrors his own difficulties with his wife..so the song is they have fight?..man he not good with girls isn't he?..just kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moongirl Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 For all the curious nerds: This may be out of topic but considering how the thread evolved, I wanted to share this amazing article about the 1994 punk-mainstream explosion, what meant to "sell out" in terms of the ethos of punk and such. Thought it may be interesting for the youngsters out there! It's very objective and wonderfully documented - of course talks about Dookie and a lotta other great albums, and it was written by an old school GD fan. http://www.avclub.com/article/1994-rocketed-green-day-and-the-offspring-from-pun-200573 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Truong Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 On 8/12/2017 at 9:54 AM, sara_gd said: OMFG I only got through the first two pages but someone should make an Excel with all the dates and info I could images Billie with Amanda..i mean he is still singing about her the song "She" he still played live from RevRad tour...and Time of Your Life.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 On 8/12/2017 at 7:43 PM, Caroline Truong said: Reveal hidden contents Redundant he was homeless?..I thought he just wanted leave and find his own place that is what W.to.P is about?..and thanks.... Yes, he was homeless. He has spoken about it numerous times. In a Dookie documentary he talkes about being thrown out of his home at 17 years old and living in a warehouse with 20 other people and rats everywhere but finding beauty in the freedom. (it's on YouTube) In Howard Stern he even talked about shitting in cat litter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Was it really thrown out? Other times I've seen him say that it was just that his mother was going to start charging him rent and living in a cheaply rented (not even squatted) warehouse with his friends was cheaper and able to be sustained just by playing in the band. I don't know if he was ever truly homeless in that he had no other possible option, more that it was the option he had if he wanted to live away from home without a "proper" full time job. But I don't know, he hasn't been particularly consistent when he's talked about it so it's hard to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unextraordinarygirl Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 On 8/12/2017 at 1:43 PM, Caroline Truong said: wow! Some of these song about 'other people are" I don't really believed..I didn't know song Redundant Hide contents Redundant is about his wife?..Billie didn't met her until late 90s?..the song written early 90s right? Billie met Adrienne in 1990 on their first tour. They played at a place in Minnesota and he met her there. 7 minutes ago, Hermione said: Was it really thrown out? Other times I've seen him say that it was just that his mother was going to start charging him rent and living in a cheaply rented (not even squatted) warehouse with his friends was cheaper and able to be sustained just by playing in the band. I don't know if he was ever truly homeless in that he had no other possible option, more that it was the option he had if he wanted to live away from home without a "proper" full time job. But I don't know, he hasn't been particularly consistent when he's talked about it so it's hard to tell. Billie isn't consistant with any story. It's really hard to follow a timeline or any story because they keep changing and I wonder if sometimes they are made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, Hermione said: Was it really thrown out? Other times I've seen him say that it was just that his mother was going to start charging him rent and living in a cheaply rented (not even squatted) warehouse with his friends was cheaper and able to be sustained just by playing in the band. I don't know if he was ever truly homeless in that he had no other possible option, more that it was the option he had if he wanted to live away from home without a "proper" full time job. But I don't know, he hasn't been particularly consistent when he's talked about it so it's hard to tell. He said "thrown out of my home". It's at 2.55 I also know he lived in squats with Cometbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: He said "thrown out of my home". It's at 2.55 Oh yeah not doubting he's said it. Just saying he's described it other ways too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I think it was move out or get a job/pay rent and he didn't want to do anything but music full time. One thing I read said he still kept his stuff at his mom's house while he roamed around staying on friend's couches or the warehouse or wherever until Mike finished school and they went on tour (sleeping on couches or wherever). ETA: Didn't his mother also remarry and the kids hated their stepdad? Whether the stepdad wanted this loser burnout kid out of the house or it was a case of his mother's "tough love", I'm sure it wasn't an easy thing to do for anyone. They could have pushed him out but he was all too ready to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, Hermione said: Oh yeah not doubting he's said it. Just saying he's described it other ways too. Billie has never had just one version of how anything happened. The question is do you believe the version he told originally, the revised version some 20 years later or no versions as he keeps changing his stories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 50 minutes ago, unextraordinarygirl said: Billie isn't consistant with any story. It's really hard to follow a timeline or any story because they keep changing and I wonder if sometimes they are made up. This. He probably just likes telling stories and repeating the same story over and over would be boring - so he changes it up once in a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 59 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: Billie has never had just one version of how anything happened. The question is do you believe the version he told originally, the revised version some 20 years later or no versions as he keeps changing his stories? Ehh I think there were probably several contributing factors and he probably lived in a variety of different situations during that time, plus he has a tendency to exaggerate/make things sound slightly more impressive a little bit (like when he described he and Adrienne having a baby aged 23 and 25 as "teenage sex" for example ). We still have a pretty good overall description of the time even if it's not exact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 31 minutes ago, Hermione said: Ehhh I think there were probably several contributing factors and he probably lived in a variety of different situations during that time, plus he has a tendency to exaggerate/make things sound slightly more impressive a little bit (like when he described he and Adrienne having a baby aged 23 and 25 as "teenage sex" for example ). We still have a pretty good overall description of the time even if it's not exact. Well being ridiculous (calling a 25 year old a teenager) is not the same as changing the facts surrounding an event. Billie did live in a variety of different situations. He lived in squats, he lived in very cheap housing that were almost squats (the Ashby house Tre lived in with him for example and the House of Toast he lived in with Aaron) however he only could have left home for the first time once and how it came about is what he has changed his story about. Either he left by choice because he didn't want to pay rent or he was "thrown out". One is a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 20 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: Well being ridiculous (calling a 25 year old a teenager) is not the same as changing the facts surrounding an event. Billie did live in a variety of different situations. He lived in squats, he lived in very cheap housing that were almost squats (the Ashby house Tre lived in with him for example and the House of Toast he lived in with Aaron) however he only could have left home for the first time once and how it came about is what he has changed his story about. Either he left by choice because he didn't want to pay rent or he was "thrown out". One is a lie. I think it could be more of a grey area than that, charging rent could've been framed in such a way that it really meant "I want you out", arguments could happen where it basically feels like being thrown out even if it's not "officially" that, he might've been in and out more than once before leaving for good with different things happening and the exact moment that counted as fully leaving not certain, he might've wanted to leave but also felt pressure to, sometimes he might've felt like describing the situation more kindly than others etc, it could've been a mixture of things happening and there might be more than one way of looking at it. I know he's not always consistent and it wouldn't surprise me if "thrown out" was somewhat of an exaggeration but I don't know enough to call it an out and out lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, Hermione said: I think it could be more of a grey area than that, charging rent could've been framed in such a way that it really meant "I want you out", arguments could happen where it basically feels like being thrown out even if it's not "officially" that, he might've been in and out more than once before leaving for good with different things happening and the exact moment that counted as fully leaving not certain, he might've wanted to leave but also felt pressure to, sometimes he might've felt like describing the situation more kindly than others etc, it could've been a mixture of things happening and there might be more than one way of looking at it. I know he's not always consistent and it wouldn't surprise me if "thrown out" was somewhat of an exaggeration but I don't know enough to call it an out and out lie. Well call it creative rearrangement of the truth then Whatever it's called Billie is good at it. It most likely suited his situation as a young punk to say he was thrown out by his mum and forced to live in a warehouse as it sounded a lot cooler than saying he didn't fancy paying rent at home. However in his mid 40's with a mum in her 80's it's hardly cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 32 minutes ago, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: Well call it creative rearrangement of the truth then Whatever it's called Billie is good at it. It most likely suited his situation as a young punk to say he was thrown out by his mum and forced to live in a warehouse as it sounded a lot cooler than saying he didn't fancy paying rent at home. However in his mid 40's with a mum in her 80's it's hardly cool. Maybe with the benefit of maturity and hindsight "thrown out" spoken at 22 becomes "I left home" at 38 (when he explained the song WMUWSE to Michael Mayer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 On 24/06/2017 at 2:50 AM, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: Billie told Howard Stern (when he also explained that WICA isn't about Adrienne) that he didn't begin a relationship with Adrienne until she moved to California. He described them as sort of penpals. There is a Spin magazine article in which Billie explains that he was suicidal after his split with Amanda (she dumped him) and it inspired Armitage Shanks. This happened, according to Billie, right before Dookie came out in 1994. If he felt suicidal during/following the split he obviously loved Amanda, she wasn't just some girl he was dating. Just saying. edit. Found the quote Though Armstrong's melodies are as bubblicious as ever, and Insomniac sounds even leaner than it's predecessor, the growing pains of the past couple of years are felt throughout. Take "Armitage Shanks" for example, the opening track on Insomniac. "When I wrote that song", says Armstrong, "It was right before Dookie came out and I was really at odds with myself. I was like man do I really want to do this? A lot of time I was thinking about suicide, how it's so easy to kill yourself, but it's so hard to stay alive. I was in a break-up with my then girlfriend, a total, raving punk rocker who didn't approve of me being on a major label. She moved down to Ecuador saying she couldn't live in a world with McDonald's and such. It was fucking me up pretty bad." On 12/08/2017 at 7:43 PM, Caroline Truong said: about A.Shanks gee wizard what did Amanda do to him?..or he do to her??..the way he wrote is Sorry I'm lazy and rather than type out the entire quote from Billie again I just quoted myself from a few months ago I hope it answers your question. Billie says Amanda didn't approve of him signing to a major label as she was a very hard core punk so she dumped him, leaving him obviously heartbroken and even feeling suicidal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arica Pelino Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 On 8/11/2017 at 5:11 PM, moongirl said: Arica and Erica are the same person! Actually Arica is just misspelled. Its Erica. 🙃 Hello... I am Arica Pelino and I see you guys are talking about me. A lot of confused details floating around out there. Can I help? On 6/26/2017 at 6:09 PM, Montclare said: There's also a Rolling Stones song, Miss Amanda Jones. Possible connection? Just pulled out the book- Erica said first she went to Europe and then Nicaragua. So it's a pattern that when someone breaks up with Billie that they go to Central America. Hello... I am Arica Pelino and I see you guys are talking about me. A lot of confused details floating around out there. Can I help? On 6/26/2017 at 6:08 PM, neverdone2000 said: You're an amazing source of info! How did you find all of this about Erica? Hello... I am Arica Pelino and I see you guys are talking about me. A lot of confused details floating around out there. Can I help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Hoe Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 I never thought I'd encounter a bot dedicated to some woman Billie dated in his teens lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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