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[Goofygoldfish]

Just now, luketrebilliemike said:

Am I right in thinking that you believe we shouldn't know about his harassing behaviour, because of evidence or because it's private ? 

This is hard to explain, so I'm going to do it in a slightly odd way... 

 

Imagine a situation (I AM NOT SAYING THE JEFF KALIE ONE)  

A relationship breaks down, for whatever reason, and whoever is at fault isn't known. 

Person 1 publicly has a go at person 2, then later apologises 

Person 2 is either sad at the end of the relationship, or mad at the previous incident and wants revenge, or some other unknown reason, so goes public to plead their case. Maybe this doesn't go to plan, so they create evidence believable to social media... Rename a number in their phone as person 1 and engineer a load of missed calls using said number. Send a load of messages to own phone. Screen shot and share. Neither of these would be admissable in a court of law without proof of where they came from. 

Let me reiterate.... I am absolutely NOT saying kalie did this. 

I am saying we should be careful not to get caught up in speculating and should let the professionals deal with it. 

I have also said that if Jeff is in the wrong, he should be held to account. That also, if Kalie is in the wrong, she should be held to account.  

My point all along, has been that we don't know and should not be unkind to either one of them. I said a while back that I hope they both find peace and move on. 

 

I hope this explains my point. 

Abuse is never OK. 

[luketrebilliemike]

30 minutes ago, Goofygoldfish said:

 

A relationship breaks down, for whatever reason, and whoever is at fault isn't known. 

Person 1 publicly has a go at person 2, then later apologises 

Person 2 is either sad at the end of the relationship, or mad at the previous incident and wants revenge, or some other unknown reason, so goes public to plead their case. Maybe this doesn't go to plan, so they create evidence believable to social media... Rename a number in their phone as person 1 and engineer a load of missed calls using said number. Send a load of messages to own phone. Screen shot and share. 

 should let the professionals deal with it. 

 

Yes, I bloody hate false claims, and understand the importance to be aware of it.  

 

But I do hope the fans attacking her stops, and Jeff moves on or something, maybe even consider seeing a therapist to talk about his anger 

Then again im just a guy on the internet, false claims can hurt people and so can online social justice, I recommend ” so you been publicly shamed ” by Ron Johnson. 

 

Let's hope everything goes back to normal for both 

Edited January 3, 2019 by luketrebilliemike
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[Billie Joes Eyelids]

28 minutes ago, Goofygoldfish said:

This is hard to explain, so I'm going to do it in a slightly odd way... 

 

Imagine a situation (I AM NOT SAYING THE JEFF KALIE ONE)  

A relationship breaks down, for whatever reason, and whoever is at fault isn't known. 

Person 1 publicly has a go at person 2, then later apologises 

Person 2 is either sad at the end of the relationship, or mad at the previous incident and wants revenge, or some other unknown reason, so goes public to plead their case. Maybe this doesn't go to plan, so they create evidence believable to social media... Rename a number in their phone as person 1 and engineer a load of missed calls using said number. Send a load of messages to own phone. Screen shot and share. Neither of these would be admissable in a court of law without proof of where they came from. 

Let me reiterate.... I am absolutely NOT saying kalie did this. 

I am saying we should be careful not to get caught up in speculating and should let the professionals deal with it. 

I have also said that if Jeff is in the wrong, he should be held to account. That also, if Kalie is in the wrong, she should be held to account.  

My point all along, has been that we don't know and should not be unkind to either one of them. I said a while back that I hope they both find peace and move on. 

 

I hope this explains my point. 

Abuse is never OK. 

Bravo. And very rational. 

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

1 hour ago, Signe said:

She should warn everyone. His behaviour is dangerous. 

I think this is reaching a bit. I highly doubt anyone at a Green Day show or in the general public is at risk because Jeff is acting unstable because his girlfriend (supposedly) cheated on him. It’s a very personal issue and I wish it could have just been left as that.   

I don’t get why grown adults have to air their issues on social media like this. Do either of them actually think this will make things better? 

[maryjanewhatsername]

3 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

I think this is reaching a bit. I highly doubt anyone at a Green Day show or in the general public is at risk because Jeff is acting unstable because his girlfriend (supposedly) cheated on him. It’s a very personal issue and I wish it could have just been left as that.   

I don’t get why grown adults have to air their issues on social media like this. Do either of them actually think this will make things better? 

Hit right on the money. We may not agree with either one of their actions, we may not agree with Jeff's neurotic behavior and obsessive tendencies, but that in no way means he is a danger to Green Day fans. However, his position should be considered if these things did happen because in that case justice does need to happen. 

[Virginia Lot Lizard]

There is documented proof that he started the bullying and harassment and acted like a nut. I very much believe Kalie. The “there’s two sides to every story” theory is so basic. Although it is true but there is usually a right and a wrong. I only saw the one side and it was frightening. You have to have been empathetic and care about victims and victim blaming or victim bashing or have been like a situation this yourself to really feel how wrong it was for Jeff to do all that in the first place. I hope the best for Kalie and I hope he is held accountable for his actions and that this doesn’t get swept under the rug. Obsessive, irrational and encouraging Green Day fans to hate on a young hairdresser and mother is so gross no matter what she does to “retaliate” or try to protect herself and her family.

The “two-sides-to-every-story” works on the kindergarten playground when someone won’t let you share their toy. This is a girl who is scared and feels threatened for the safety of herself and her son and maybe her friends and family. People get killed over shit like this. I’m not saying it’s that extreme because I don’t know but I understand her fear and it’s a legitimate concern even if in some far fetched universe she’s photoshopping screen shots or her phone or whatever theories there are out there. 

His behavior over the holidays and encouraging Green Day fans to hate on her was abhorrent. That’s it. That’s the end. I will never feel comfortable going to a Green Day or Longshot show if he’s in the band and the members of Green Day think he’s ok. This is not ok. I can’t support it and I don’t want to support a band that ignores a problem where a member acts like this and uses their fans as a way to intimidate someone. I don’t think this is a band that stands for that type of behavior and I would be very surprised and disappointed if there are no consequences in that regard. I believe and will support victims.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Virginia Lot Lizzard

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

8 minutes ago, Virginia Lot Lizzard said:

The “there’s two sides to every story” theory is so basic. Although it is true but there is usually a right and a wrong. I only saw the one side and it was frightening.

Again, what you “saw” on the one side was just some Internet postings from people you don’t even know. Nobody knows the totality of what was going on except those involved. 

Life isn’t black-and-white, “one person is right, one person is wrong.” If only it was that simple. I’m not saying Jeff’s actions make sense or are defensible by any means, but if he hadn’t apparently rallied fans online to harass her, and only posted about being cheated on, for example, everyone might be rushing to his defense and calling him the victim when bullying could still be happening behind the scenes.

I highly doubt a nasty breakup that got aired online is going to jeopardize someone’s position as a Green Day touring guitarist most people have never heard of and it amazes me that anyone would feel personally at risk from it. 

[Virginia Lot Lizard]

8 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

it amazes me that anyone would feel personally at risk from it. 

Who said they’d feel personally at risk? I’m talking about ethics and doing the right thing and what I said was “I will never feel comfortable going to a Green Day or Longshot show if he’s in the band and the members of Green Day think he’s ok.”

 

When he encouraged Green Day fans to hate on her that was it for me. 

Edited January 3, 2019 by Virginia Lot Lizzard

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

1 minute ago, Virginia Lot Lizzard said:

Who said they’d feel personally at risk? I’m talking about ethics and doing the right thing and what I said was “I will never feel comfortable going to a Green Day or Longshot show if he’s in the band and the members of Green Day think he’s ok.”

Above, I quoted someone saying he was behaving dangerously and everyone needed to be warned. 

I guess ethics will never be something everyone can agree on, but I’m not going to judge anyone (or call for their removal from their career) before knowing all the facts. I mean are we to assume all the band members’ breakups and divorces have been pleasant? It’s just not something I really think is worth speculating over, I guess, but with social media it’s inevitable. It’s just really unfortunate and I hope both of them can find some closure regarding this and whatever other issues they may be dealing with. 

[Signe]

34 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

I think this is reaching a bit. I highly doubt anyone at a Green Day show or in the general public is at risk because Jeff is acting unstable because his girlfriend (supposedly) cheated on him. It’s a very personal issue and I wish it could have just been left as that.   

I don’t get why grown adults have to air their issues on social media like this. Do either of them actually think this will make things better? 

Nah, it's not. He is an asshole and of course it should be said. He stepped over the line.

Does that mean he is a danger to me? You? Green Day fans in general? Of course not, we don't know him or will hardly ever meet him, hopefully, but - that's not the issue. But when it comes to image in general... this bullshit behaviour doesn't fly anymore.  Kick him out. 

And please, HE aired it. She responded. HE is responsible. C'mon. 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

11 minutes ago, Signe said:

Nah, it's not. He is an asshole and of course it should be said. He stepped over the line.

Does that mean he is a danger to me? You? Green Day fans in general? Of course not, we don't know him or will hardly ever meet him, hopefully, but - that's not the issue. But when it comes to image in general... this bullshit behaviour doesn't fly anymore.  Kick him out. 

And please, HE aired it. She responded. HE is responsible. C'mon. 

This is mob mentality, no better than what happened to Kalie. 

[Signe]

Just now, neverdone2000 said:

This is mob mentality, no better than what happened to Kalie. 

Oh please. 

[WhiteTim]

Wow... some of y’all really need to take a chill pill... 

[WhiteTim]

Frankly none of this should be for the public... 

we don’t know the story we have Jeff’s side Kalie’s side and then there’s the truth Jeff shouldn’t have posted any of this on his social media page and neither should she if she doesn’t want contact change the number and then file a report... 

saying don’t feel safe at GD shows and trying to imply that Jeff is going to be a murderer cause of calling someone repeatedly well as someone who has multiple friends actually been MURDERED is highly off putting to me... 

Bottom line Jeff’s an douche who should move on Kalie should file a report and both need to lay off social media about all of this 

 

[nopride84]

This was def worth 6 pages.

[Billie Hoe]

I don't think he poses a threat for Green Day fans at a show and I don't think anybody intended to paint him personally as a murderer, but I have to say I understand where the thought is coming from.

Do I think he would kill Kalie? No.

Am I hearing stories every other day about emotional, jealous men who kill women because they have been rejected or broken up with after showing stalkerish behavior and terrorizing them online or on the phone, and trying to sabotage their relationships, as Kalie said he does? Yeah. I'm not surprised this has been brought up.

And as I said, she hasn't given me, personally, a reason to mistrust her, while my trust in him is deminishingly little.

The idea itself is not as crazy or unheard of at it may sound. Its a dangerous world for women out there. It's very late so idk if I'm getting my point across, so let me phrase it like this. Jeff is not a killer, I do not think he will kill Kalie, I'm not expecting it to happen, but IF it did happen, I can't say I would be surprised. I probably sound crazy but yeah. Men be killing.

[maryjanewhatsername]

37 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said:

I don't think he poses a threat for Green Day fans at a show and I don't think anybody intended to paint him personally as a murderer, but I have to say I understand where the thought is coming from.

Do I think he would kill Kalie? No.

Am I hearing stories every other day about emotional, jealous men who kill women because they have been rejected or broken up with after showing stalkerish behavior and terrorizing them online or on the phone, and trying to sabotage their relationships, as Kalie said he does? Yeah. I'm not surprised this has been brought up.

And as I said, she hasn't given me, personally, a reason to mistrust her, while my trust in him is deminishingly little.

The idea itself is not as crazy or unheard of at it may sound. Its a dangerous world for women out there. It's very late so idk if I'm getting my point across, so let me phrase it like this. Jeff is not a killer, I do not think he will kill Kalie, I'm not expecting it to happen, but IF it did happen, I can't say I would be surprised. I probably sound crazy but yeah. Men be killing.

THIS. This is a wonderfully thought out opinion. And I can see this, too. I can see where the concern is, and the importance of needing the facts AND believing Kalie. Well said. 

*Random* can I also say how awesome it is that even if not all of us agree we can have adult, intelligent conversations?? God I love this community. 

[Hermione]

4 hours ago, neverdone2000 said:

This is mob mentality, no better than what happened to Kalie. 

Are you familiar with false equivalency? He's a public figure who chose to air this publicly and who is clearly harassing her as shown by both of their posts. He is 100% responsible for this being out in the open. He's also deleted most of his apologies. She isn't a public figure and is defending herself from what he chose to post publicly and from harassment. Harassing someone vs being harassed and making it known. People saying a 47 year old guy who is behaving in a shitty way towards a woman shouldn't be in a band that is all about empowering and respecting woman vs people sending death threats to a 24 year old with a young child. Yeah totally equal.

I do agree it would be foolish to think we can take the info they've posted and know everything about their relationship and motivations from it. But it seems fair to react to publicly posted info by saying this is shitty behaviour, that's mostly what's happened here as far as I can see.

[Billie Hoe]

Jeff seems to have deactivated his twitter & Instagram profiles

[WhiteTim]

13 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said:

Jeff seems to have deactivated his twitter & Instagram profiles

That’s a good thing maybe the time away from the net wakes him up 

[WhiteTim]

While I’ve never really been a fan of Jeff I mean he does his job well he has always struck me as kind of pretentious (perhaps there’s a better word Im looking for but can’t think of any will replace when I remember a more suitable word) douchey type from the few videos I’ve seen of him off stage and on Twitter but I don’t know him could be the nicest guy in real life who knows but hopefully this was a one time situation and he takes this break away from social media and goes and talk to a professional to handle breaking up a whole lot better or at worse if this is a repeated occurrence (which for all intent isn’t Kalie can’t been the only relationship he has had since social media been around the last 10 years this is the first I think we are seeing of this so hopefully this isn’t a repeat thing) but if it is a repeated thing then as stated hope he takes this break and goes and talk to a professional and get the help he may need 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

4 hours ago, Hermione said:

Are you familiar with false equivalency? He's a public figure who chose to air this publicly and who is clearly harassing her as shown by both of their posts. He is 100% responsible for this being out in the open. He's also deleted most of his apologies. She isn't a public figure and is defending herself from what he chose to post publicly and from harassment. Harassing someone vs being harassed and making it known. People saying a 47 year old guy who is behaving in a shitty way towards a woman shouldn't be in a band that is all about empowering and respecting woman vs people sending death threats to a 24 year old with a young child. Yeah totally equal.

I do agree it would be foolish to think we can take the info they've posted and know everything about their relationship and motivations from it. But it seems fair to react to publicly posted info by saying this is shitty behaviour, that's mostly what's happened here as far as I can see.

Of course I’m familiar with false equivalency. And I’m sure you’ve heard of social media mob justice. Did you read Signe’s post? She is assuming that everything Kalie said on that video, including that he has threatened her and her family, is true. There is no evidence of this. There is evidence that he acted like an idiot and inappropriately dragged her on social media, and recklessly called others to do the same.  But assuming that he has actually stalked and threatened her based on 7 unanswered calls and a string of texts begging her to contact him, and then calling for not only his dismissal from GD but also that everyone should be “warned” about how “dangerous” he is, is ridiculous at this point. Kalie’s accusations should be taken seriously, Jeff should be banned from contacting her & face the consequences if he does, and an investigation should happen. But it is not up to us to decide if the very serious allegations she makes in that video are true. We do NOT have evidence of stalking, contacting friends and family, and threats. Yet. If the evidence emerges, then it’s a completely different situation. There is a world of difference between being an asshole (inappropriate social media posts that puts your ex at risk), and actual criminal behavior. Y’all need to get a grip until all the facts come out, if they do.

[Hermione]

27 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said:

Of course I’m familiar with false equivalency. And I’m sure you’ve heard of social media mob justice. Did you read Signe’s post? She is assuming that everything Kalie said on that video, including that he has threatened her and her family, is true. There is no evidence of this. There is evidence that he acted like an idiot and inappropriately dragged her on social media, and recklessly called others to do the same.  But assuming that he has actually stalked and threatened her based on 7 unanswered calls and a string of texts begging her to contact him, and then calling for not only his dismissal from GD but also that everyone should be “warned” about how “dangerous” he is, is ridiculous at this point. Kalie’s accusations should be taken seriously, Jeff should be banned from contacting her & face the consequences if he does, and an investigation should happen. But it is not up to us to decide if the very serious allegations she makes in that video are true. We do NOT have evidence of stalking, contacting friends and family, and threats. Yet. If the evidence emerges, then it’s a completely different situation. There is a world of difference between being an asshole (inappropriate social media posts that puts your ex at risk), and actual criminal behavior. Y’all need to get a grip until all the facts come out, if they do.

Yeah I agree that details that only come from one side should be taken with a grain of salt unless there's proof. That Jeff has dragged this in public and harassed/caused others to harass her is clear though, so I think it's fair to say he's behaved in a shitty way and is the one at fault here at this point. Or to say that someone who behaves like that, including trying to use Green Day fans to give this non famous woman half his age shit (bearing in mind the only reason people follow him/give a fuck about him is his GD connection so when he posts that's who he's talking to) probably doesn't belong in a band like Green Day. If all the other stuff is true there should be consequences but I do agree it should be investigated first. Doesn't mean we can't say his behaviour is bad before that based just on what we do know though.

[Billie Hoe]

27 minutes ago, neverdone2000 said:

7 unanswered calls

A day? That's a lot. Like, obsessive. Try 20 unanswered calls in 6 days. What do you think the numbers behind the name stand for? And those were only the ones that fit into the screenshot...

[DeJennsitized]

20 unsolicited calls in less an a week is harassment.