Cunt Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 26 minutes ago, Wretched & Divine said: Yet again I find myself saying: this hasn't got anything to do with the candidates, but what the voters themselves are okay with. And yeah, sure, deporting Muslims who live legally in the United States (and were even born there) is totes about keeping out illegal immigrants! And a sweeping ban on all Muslim immigration is obviously about "illegal aliens". You're so right! Not remotely discriminatory at all, silly me. ETA: You might want to ask a German how well it actually is working, or someone who lives in Germany. @Kaddi.? @Trotsky? Also, those people are refugees for god sake, do you understand the difference? Oh my god. Your missing the point. If an illegal immigrant breaks the law they will be deported. And where the hell did you get the idea that he's deporting muslims? His plan is to put a temporary ban until we can figure out the problem with isis. That's what happens when you are at war with someone. I dont think anyone was letting in Germans to their country during WW2. Would you say that is a smart thing to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotsky Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Cunt said: That's gay happens when you are at war with someone. What kind of Freudian slip is that? Something you're repressing? Also, while you're on the subject of refugees and WW2, maybe you should look into the boats of Jewish refugees America sent back to Europe, who had to settle in countries like the Netherlands which was then occupied by Nazi Germany and most of those Jews America turned away later died in the Holocaust. More to the point, 99.9% of Muslims aren't ISIS or ISIS sympathetic, and it would be a massive human rights violation to deport every undocumented immigrant from Mexico as well because many of them have children here who are American citizens. Which I suppose fits well with the "pro-life until the child is born and then fuck them" idea that conservatives like so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunt Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, Trotsky said: For Germany taking in so many refugees things have gone very well here. I've met quite a lot of them taking language classes and they're all normal people who are quite like me, not a single Islamic extremist so far. And while we're on the subject of Hillary Clinton's donations, I think that's not nearly as unsettling as Trump saying Saudi Arabia can have nuclear weapons. Yeah. Just a tad bit better than France. I would expect that most of them are normal people. So what does the fact of trump saying something stupid have to do with Hillary taking money from those countries? Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotsky Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Cunt said: Yeah. Just a tad bit better than France. I would expect that most of them are normal people. So what does the fact of trump saying something stupid have to do with Hillary taking money from those countries? Nothing. Because that is how the US has always operated, by looking away as certain countries like Saudi Arabia commit atrocities. So it was with Bush, Obama, so it would have been with Clinton and definitely with Trump - the one who said "you have to take out their families." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wretched & Divine Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, Cunt said: Oh my god. Your missing the point. If an illegal immigrant breaks the law they will be deported. And where the hell did you get the idea that he's deporting muslims? His plan is to put a temporary ban until we can figure out the problem with isis. That's gay happens when you are at war with someone. I dont think anyone was letting in Germans to their country during WW2. Would you say that is a smart thing to do? It's clear you've bought into the media-induced hysteria if you look at Aleppo and you say "nah, fuck these people being bombed to shit, we need to figure out what's going on first". Perhaps Australia should consider banning white American men from entering our country until you figure out what the fuck is going on with all your white men shooting up everything every other week, hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunt Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, Trotsky said: What kind of Freudian slip is that? Something you're repressing? Also, while you're on the subject of refugees and WW2, maybe you should look into the boats of Jewish refugees America sent back to Europe, who had to settle in countries like the Netherlands which was then occupied by Nazi Germany and most of those Jews America turned away later died in the Holocaust. More to the point, 99.9% of Muslims aren't ISIS or ISIS sympathetic, and it would be a massive human rights violation to deport every undocumented immigrant from Mexico as well because many of them have children here who are American citizens. Which I suppose fits well with the "pro-life until the child is born and then fuck them" idea that conservatives like so much. Do you know who sent those Jewish refugees away? The peace loving tolerant democrats/ liberals! Also, do you let in your enemy? In west reality is that a good idea. Like I said. In my earlier post it's impossible to round up the 12 million illegal aliens because of due process so he can't do that. Although, there is nothing bad about sending someone, who is illegal, who breaks the law back. Again. Howvtge hell does the topic of abortion come up when we are talking about something completely different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahd Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I really want to comment on some people, but I think I shouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunt Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, Wretched & Divine said: It's clear you've bought into the media-induced hysteria if you look at Aleppo and you say "nah, fuck these people being bombed to shit, we need to figure out what's going on first". Perhaps Australia should consider banning white American men from entering our country until you figure out what the fuck is going on with all your white men shooting up everything every other week, hm. Yep. It's white people's fault. 8 minutes ago, Trotsky said: Because that is how the US has always operated, by looking away as certain countries like Saudi Arabia commit atrocities. So it was with Bush, Obama, so it would have been with Clinton and definitely with Trump - the one who said "you have to take out their families." And I agree with you. The US foreign policy has been a disaster for 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotsky Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Cunt said: Do you know who sent those Jewish refugees away? The peace loving tolerant democrats/ liberals! Also, do you let in your enemy? In west reality is that a good idea. Like I said. In my earlier post it's impossible to round up the 12 million illegal aliens because of due process so he can't do that. Although, there is nothing bad about sending someone, who is illegal, who breaks the law back. Again. Howvtge hell does the topic of abortion come up when we are talking about something completely different? Xenophobic and fearful people sent them away, I don't know or care what their political party was. Do you think I'm unaware of human rights violations under Democratic Presidents? My only concern is the current President-elect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunt Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Trotsky said: Xenophobic and fearful people sent them away, I don't know or care what their political party was. Do you think I'm unaware of human rights violations under Democratic Presidents? My only concern is the current President-elect. I believe that it was wrong to send them away considering that we werent at war with them. When someone or a group is your actual enemy it's a very different idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wretched & Divine Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 11 minutes ago, Cunt said: Yep. It's white people's fault. lol you'd be surprised how much is white peoples' fault. Including the formation of ISIS and Al-Qaeda, as well as the Pakistani Taliban. Oops. Probably others, too, but I don't know enough about those. Anyway, you're pretty clearly stuck in your us vs them mentality, so I'm done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunt Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, Wretched & Divine said: lol you'd be surprised how much is white peoples' fault. Including the formation of ISIS and Al-Qaeda, as well as the Pakistani Taliban. Oops. Probably others, too, but I don't know enough about those. Anyway, you're pretty clearly stuck in your us vs them mentality, so I'm done here. Actually it was the Obama administration that was arming ISIS. Even Hillary is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaddi. Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Wretched & Divine said: Yet again I find myself saying: this hasn't got anything to do with the candidates, but what the voters themselves are okay with. And yeah, sure, deporting Muslims who live legally in the United States (and were even born there) is totes about keeping out illegal immigrants! And a sweeping ban on all Muslim immigration is obviously about "illegal aliens". You're so right! Not remotely discriminatory at all, silly me. ETA: You might want to ask a German how well it actually is working, or someone who lives in Germany. @Kaddi.? @Trotsky? Also, those people are refugees for god sake, do you understand the difference? @Cunt Obviously, there has been some uproar in the media about refugees and right wing parties are fuelling people's fears in order to gain more power. Truth is, I haven't even noticed much of the new refugees who all came here last year. I don't live in a big city, but I think it's not much different there. I understand why people are scared, but they need to realize that refugees are only people too. I'm all in for them having to learn our language and try to fit in with our culture, but we all have to help them make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunt Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 7 hours ago, Kaddi. said: @Cunt Obviously, there has been some uproar in the media about refugees and right wing parties are fuelling people's fears in order to gain more power. Truth is, I haven't even noticed much of the new refugees who all came here last year. I don't live in a big city, but I think it's not much different there. I understand why people are scared, but they need to realize that refugees are only people too. I'm all in for them having to learn our language and try to fit in with our culture, but we all have to help them make it work. I understand the want to help people and we should. Here's the deal though. They are piling in all over and most are great people I'm sure. It's not hard to send in isis soldiers with those refugees. On the other hand there are groups of refugees coming in that are just men. No women, no children, just men. Now there's bad things happening right now all over the world, but its going to get worse because nobody is doing anything about it to fix it. You wait for it. They are flooding in all over Europe right now. They are in the US. They are in Asia. If you look at it terrorism has steadily got worse each year. Whether you want to believe it or not it isis is a very real thing and a real threat. I've said it before. Were there Germans or Japenese refugees coming to the US during WW2? No. It's called being smart. What do we do when it gets too bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeJennsitized Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 33 minutes ago, Cunt said: I understand the want to help people and we should. Here's the deal though. They are piling in all over and most are great people I'm sure. It's not hard to send in isis soldiers with those refugees. On the other hand there are groups of refugees coming in that are just men. No women, no children, just men. Now there's bad things happening right now all over the world, but its going to get worse because nobody is doing anything about it to fix it. You wait for it. They are flooding in all over Europe right now. They are in the US. They are in Asia. If you look at it terrorism has steadily got worse each year. Whether you want to believe it or not it isis is a very real thing and a real threat. I've said it before. Were there Germans or Japenese refugees coming to the US during WW2? No. It's called being smart. What do we do when it gets too bad? I read this in Trump's voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunt Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 21 minutes ago, Jenn. said: I read this in Trump's voice Ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 17 hours ago, Wretched & Divine said: Honestly, I don't know what to say to you if your only response to very valid grievances and concerns for the rights of human beings is "you're disappointing me for not taking the high road". People who voted Trump spat in the faces of everyone who isn't a straight white man, whether that was their intention or not. This is not the time for being the bigger person and if you can't understand that, there is no point in furthering this discussion. So this is the time to accuse each other and start a war? Understand what you're saying and what I'm saying people. God damn. I'm talking about not blaming each other and making the better in a position that want it or not those people are all in and you're responding to me with "yeah let's bitch and blame those people". I can't get you at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wretched & Divine Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, petros said: So this is the time to accuse each other and start a war? Understand what you're saying and what I'm saying people. God damn. I'm talking about not blaming each other and making the better in a position that want it or not those people are all in and you're responding to me with "yeah let's bitch and blame those people". I can't get you at all. It is the fault of voters, though. Doesn't matter if it was the intention or not, this is sure not a situation where no one is responsible for the mess that has been made. There's nothing wrong with blaming the people who are the reason something had happened, no matter what hoops you might be trying to backflip through to absolve them of guilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, Wretched & Divine said: It is the fault of voters, though. Doesn't matter if it was the intention or not, this is sure not a situation where no one is responsible for the mess that has been made. There's nothing wrong with blaming the people who are the reason something had happened, no matter what hoops you might be trying to backflip through to absolve them of guilt. It is their fault if you wanna say it like that but statements like "those people are guilty or fascists" help the situation somehow now? That's all I've been trying to explain for so long. The nation needs to stay united right? I think we both agree on that. So if everyone that didn't vote for Trump has the same logic as billie and says shit like this in this interview what do we get? A divided nation. A war. Is this right? No. That's what I'm saying about taking the high road. You still think it's wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 19 minutes ago, petros said: So this is the time to accuse each other and start a war? Understand what you're saying and what I'm saying people. God damn. I'm talking about not blaming each other and making the better in a position that want it or not those people are all in and you're responding to me with "yeah let's bitch and blame those people". I can't get you at all. There's a difference between talking on a forum about how the voters are guilty for bringing Trump to power and starting a war. I mean, it is their fault. Trump is the president now though, so we need to just give him the chance to show us that he can be a good president. I'm willing to give him that chance, but it's fair to say I don't think he'll do a good job at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Just now, MysticManiac said: There's a difference between talking on a forum about how the voters are guilty for bringing Trump to power and starting a war. I mean, it is their fault. Trump is the president now though, so we need to just give him the chance to show us that he can be a good president. I'm willing to give him that chance, but it's fair to say I don't think he'll do a good job at all That's exactly my point. Shit happened. Everybody needs to stop saying shit like they are guilty or stuff like that and need to give the guy a chance. There is no other option after all. The people voted. That's what I meant by respecting democracy. See? Now that some time has passed since the dramma and all that I think you people are closer to what I've been trying to say since day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian's Inferno! Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, petros said: That's exactly my point. Shit happened. Everybody needs to stop saying shit like they are guilty or stuff like that and need to give the guy a chance. There is no other option after all. The people voted. That's what I meant by respecting democracy. See? Now that some time has passed since the dramma and all that I think you people are closer to what I've been trying to say since day one. Yeah I do think we need to give him a chance. But I still think his voters are guilty/responsible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wretched & Divine Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, petros said: It is their fault if you wanna say it like that but statements like "those people are guilty or fascists" help the situation somehow now? That's all I've been trying to explain for so long. The nation needs to stay united right? I think we both agree on that. So if everyone that didn't vote for Trump has the same logic as billie and says shit like this in this interview what do we get? A divided nation. A war. Is this right? No. That's what I'm saying about taking the high road. You still think it's wrong? I understand your point, but at the end of the day it really doesn't change the facts of the situation And anyways, my beef wasn't with branding voters guilty or innocent, but with being demanded to respect the outcome of the democratic process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Just now, MysticManiac said: Yeah I do think we need to give him a chance. But I still think his voters are guilty/responsible Yeah but as I said to a post above responding to Wretched & Divine saying stuff like that doesn't help anything and only makes people turn against each other. Isn't that true too? That's also what I meant when I said the nation needs to stay united and statements like that don't help the situation. See now where having an actual conversation. Days before I was saying the same stuff and people were so angry at me because they were angry at the result of the elections and couldn't listen to anything that wasn't "trump sucks, he will fail". And I never commented anything about trump actually. I stated a lot of times people probably voted him for the wrong reasons and we need to win those people back not blame them and turn people against each other. Just now, Wretched & Divine said: I understand your point, but at the end of the day it really doesn't change the facts of the situation And anyways, my beef wasn't with branding voters guilty or innocent, but with being demanded to respect the outcome of the democratic process. Yeah but if you don't respect the outcome what are you gonna do? Start a riot? That's not how a civilized society works. I don't mean respect trump. Not the reasons some people voted for him. But respect the fact he's been voted move on and try to make the world a better place and don't blame each other. That's what I meant by respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunt Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 28 minutes ago, MysticManiac said: Trump is the president now though, so we need to just give him the chance to show us that he can be a good president. I'm willing to give him that chance, but it's fair to say I don't think he'll do a good job at all Exactly how I feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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