Billie Joe interview for Le Monde

[petros]

You guys are clearly missing the point I try to make. Or maybe think what you're saying is proving what I'm saying wrong idk. So you think I accept homophobia and sexism and racism? I assure you I don't. Why do you use these points as arguments? All I'm saying is you have to respect democracy and not call half or more of the people of your nation fascists. You're backing billie up with arguments about how he's great to stand up against homophobia or sexism or whatever and while I agree with that it's just not why I'm complaining about this interview.

[Christian's Inferno!]

I don't believe that Trump should have won. There are a couple of reasons for this

1. Hillary actually got more votes than Trump. Trump only won because he won more electoral colleges than Clinton. Now, I'm not American and this is the first time I've really followed the presidential elections, but I think this is the stupidest way of electing a president of a country. The fact is more people voted for Hillary,it doesn't make sense for Trump to win as a result. And yes, this might be how the elections have been in the US for a long time, but I just think it's wrong.

2. The majority of non-college educated and the old people voted for Trump. I think there should be some requirements for voting so that there aren't fucking ignorant idiots voting for the wrong choice. The majority of the old people who voted for Trump are the racist, homophobic and sexist old people who are still stuck in the past where these things were ok. But in the 21st century, these things are not acceptable anymore and now the US has a president that is all of these things. The majority of college educated and young people voted for Clinton. These old racist, sexist and homophobic people are voting for a future that they are not even going to be apart of. I actually think it's sick! And by the way, this was the exact same for the Brexit vote in the U.K. 

And the reason I care so much about this is because this effects not only people in the US, it effects the rest of the world. Believe me, if I was currently living in the States, I would be moving after the results of this election

[Thatsername]

40 minutes ago, petros said:

You guys are clearly missing the point I try to make. Or maybe think what you're saying is proving what I'm saying wrong idk. So you think I accept homophobia and sexism and racism? I assure you I don't. Why do you use these points as arguments? All I'm saying is you have to respect democracy and not call half or more of the people of your nation fascists. You're backing billie up with arguments about how he's great to stand up against homophobia or sexism or whatever and while I agree with that it's just not why I'm complaining about this interview.

I do get what you mean, but I think your definition of democracy is just wrong (sorry I have to say this although you're obviously from the country that invented democracy in the first place). Democracy doesn't mean that, once the majority has decided, you have to accept everything and stand behind your strong "leader". Just because you don't feel represented by the president (or chancellor or whatever) doesn't mean you're a bad democrat. It's the other way round: Democracy lives from different opinions and speaking them out. And, as I wrote earlier, Billie didn't call all the people who voted for Trump facists. He just called them guilty for the result of the election because they knew who they supported. And that is, as I pointed out in my last post, correct (in my opinion).

[LPbilliejr]

5 hours ago, Hermione said:

I don't think you have to respect voting for a man who is a racist, sexist fascist who has run on a platform of hate. Yes it can be acknowledged that there's other reasons people voted him other than agreeing with him on those things (which I believe Billie has done) and respect their right to have cast their vote for who they wanted but you don't have to respect the choice they made if you disagree with it. A band who literally sells t shirts that say "No racism, no sexism, no homophobia" don't have to respect voting for a man who represents those things, and I don't think it's at all surprising that they don't.

Well if you haven't noticed, a majority of Americans don't agree with you! They don't take countering illegal immigration, bad trade deals, high taxation, or PC culture as any type of phobia or prejudice. The continuance of putting people in the category of guilty of perpetuating "racism, sexism, and homophobia" because of their vote is why Trump is now the President elect, people are sick of it.

 

It's not about respecting the choice/vote or what have you, it's about stopping the bullshit group-think and collectivism that people (like Billie Joe!) pretend is entirely true. Republicans don't all hold the same values, and neither do Democrats! and there's more than two parties of thought.

A portion of the people who voted for Barack Obama now voted for Donald Trump, and oh wait now they're racist and guilty.... nobody's buying it.

 

3 hours ago, MysticManiac said:

I don't believe that Trump should have won. There are a couple of reasons for this

1. Hillary actually got more votes than Trump. Trump only won because he won more electoral colleges than Clinton. Now, I'm not American and this is the first time I've really followed the presidential elections, but I think this is the stupidest way of electing a president of a country. The fact is more people voted for Hillary,it doesn't make sense for Trump to win as a result. And yes, this might be how the elections have been in the US for a long time, but I just think it's wrong.

2. The majority of non-college educated and the old people voted for Trump. I think there should be some requirements for voting so that there aren't fucking ignorant idiots voting for the wrong choice. The majority of the old people who voted for Trump are the racist, homophobic and sexist old people who are still stuck in the past where these things were ok. But in the 21st century, these things are not acceptable anymore and now the US has a president that is all of these things. The majority of college educated and young people voted for Clinton. These old racist, sexist and homophobic people are voting for a future that they are not even going to be apart of. I actually think it's sick! And by the way, this was the exact same for the Brexit vote in the U.K. 

And the reason I care so much about this is because this effects not only people in the US, it effects the rest of the world. Believe me, if I was currently living in the States, I would be moving after the results of this election

For all those ignoring this....the USA is a democratic Republic, not a majority rules all and makes all the rules system. 

[Hermione]

26 minutes ago, LPbilliejr said:

Well if you haven't noticed, a majority of Americans don't agree with you! They don't take countering illegal immigration, bad trade deals, high taxation, or PC culture as any type of phobia or prejudice. The continuance of putting people in the category of guilty of perpetuating "racism, sexism, and homophobia" because of their vote is why Trump is now the President elect, people are sick of it.

 

It's not about respecting the choice/vote or what have you, it's about stopping the bullshit group-think and collectivism that people (like Billie Joe!) pretend is entirely true. Republicans don't all hold the same values, and neither do Democrats! and there's more than two parties of thought.

A portion of the people who voted for Barack Obama now voted for Donald Trump, and oh wait now they're racist and guilty.... nobody's buying it.

 

For all those ignoring this....the USA is a democratic Republic, not a majority rules all and makes all the rules system. 

You don't think Trump or Pence have demonstrated racism, sexism or homophobia during their campaign? Or any of their supporters? Not at all? Not all people who voted for him did so because they share those views (as acknowledged by Billie and the majority of people on GDC), but they are guilty or responsible or whatever word you choose for bringing him to power.

He's expressing his own opinion on Trump. A majority of Americans, a portion of his fanbase or you are free to disagree but he has every right to say what he thinks. 

[petros]

6 hours ago, MMwhatsername said:

I do get what you mean, but I think your definition of democracy is just wrong (sorry I have to say this although you're obviously from the country that invented democracy in the first place). Democracy doesn't mean that, once the majority has decided, you have to accept everything and stand behind your strong "leader". Just because you don't feel represented by the president (or chancellor or whatever) doesn't mean you're a bad democrat. It's the other way round: Democracy lives from different opinions and speaking them out. And, as I wrote earlier, Billie didn't call all the people who voted for Trump facists. He just called them guilty for the result of the election because they knew who they supported. And that is, as I pointed out in my last post, correct (in my opinion).

Oh my god seriously guys? I give up. I never said any of that. I never said Bilie shouldn't have an opinion or obey the new leader. Democracy in fact is about different opinions. Once again and for the last time. He can attack Trump all he wants he can't attack million of Americans that voted for the dude. It's like John Lydon attacking green day fans for liking green day music while it's not punk. But when Johny Rotten does it is a bitchy old man. When Billie does it is our cute savior with fluffy hair that is always right. Seriously guys you're trying to contradict what I'm saying with arguments that have nothing to do with what I'm saying and I've already stated that enough times in this thread already.

2 hours ago, Hermione said:

You don't think Trump or Pence have demonstrated racism, sexism or homophobia during their campaign? Or any of their supporters? Not at all? Not all people who voted for him did so because they share those views (as acknowledged by Billie and the majority of people on GDC), but they are guilty or responsible or whatever word you choose for bringing him to power.

He's expressing his own opinion on Trump. A majority of Americans, a portion of his fanbase or you are free to disagree but he has every right to say what he thinks. 

I don't disagree with his opinion about trump though. I clearly have stated that so many times. I never commented anything about trump and all you guys do is mention how trump is homophobic or whatever and rep each other out. And I don't agree with you. The discussion I brought up is not about that I don't know why all you fail to understand this.

Ok I'm out now, try to think what I'm telling you and open your mind to different opinions that may harm your idols a little bit It's ok billie has said worse things that this but then there was always the excuse of alcohol or saying shit just to say it. Now he's supposed to be talking serious that's why I'm making such a big deal out of this. Feel free to reply to me with how much Trump sucks and Billie is right to call millions of. maybe misguided. people guilty or fascists! Bye now.

[Christian's Inferno!]

8 minutes ago, petros said:

Oh my god seriously guys? I give up. I never said any of that. I never said Bilie shouldn't have an opinion or obey the new leader. Democracy in fact is about different opinions. Once again and for the last time. He can attack Trump all he wants he can't attack million of Americans that voted for the dude. It's like John Lydon attacking green day fans for liking green day music while it's not punk. But when Johny Rotten does it is a bitchy old man. When Billie does it is our cute savior with fluffy hair that is always right. Seriously guys you're trying to contradict what I'm saying with arguments that have nothing to do with what I'm saying and I've already stated that enough times in this thread already.

I don't disagree with his opinion about trump though. I clearly have stated that so many times. I never commented anything about trump and all you guys do is mention how trump is homophobic or whatever and rep each other out. And I don't agree with you. The discussion I brought up is not about that I don't know why all you fail to understand this.

Ok I'm out now, try to think what I'm telling you and open your mind to different opinions that may harm your idols a little bit It's ok billie has said worse things that this but then there was always the excuse of alcohol or saying shit just to say it. Now he's supposed to be talking serious that's why I'm making such a big deal out of this. Feel free to reply to me with how much Trump sucks and Billie is right to call millions of. maybe misguided. people guilty or fascists! Bye now.

I don't see what the problem is. Everything Billie is saying is right, imo. I'm not exactly sure what your problem is about what he is saying?

[Hermione]

35 minutes ago, petros said:

 

I don't disagree with his opinion about trump though. I clearly have stated that so many times. I never commented anything about trump and all you guys do is mention how trump is homophobic or whatever and rep each other out. And I don't agree with you. The discussion I brought up is not about that I don't know why all you fail to understand this.

 

I wasn't replying to you though, I was replying to LPbilliejunior who stated "They don't take countering illegal immigration, bad trade deals, high taxation, or PC culture as any type of phobia or prejudice" as if to imply that Trump hasn't demonstrated racism, sexism etc in his campaign.

I think we just disagree about what constitutes democracy and respecting democracy. You can respect that people have the right to make their own choice without respecting the choice they made. The choice to vote for Trump because you agree with his bigoted stances (again, this doesn't apply to everyone who voted for Trump because not all of them did so for that reason) deserves to be disrespected.

[Wretched & Divine]

It aggravates me that we are getting this "you must respect it" rhetoric that we so often hear from conservative Christians whose beliefs and religion directly impact on millions of peoples' lives every single day. No, there is not one single person who has to respect that Donald Trump has been elected by the people because guess what? Adolf Hitler was elected by the people, too. This is not a "hur hur, Trump supporters are Nazis" argument, but a mere comparison to support a point in case that isn't clear. I respect democracy just as I respect peoples' right to believe in a flying green pig if they want to, but that doesn't mean anyone is required to like or respect the outcome of it. If you voted for a known Islamophobe, racist, sexist, misogynistic failed businessman who has proudly declared Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers, that pregnancy is an inconvenience and women are dogs, then that was your right and I respect your rights even if you don't respect mine. But respecting the outcome? Fuck that.

[tdlyon]

The "not all Trump supporters are racist/homophobic/xenophobic" argument is entirely irrelevant because those people voted to put into office a man who falls under all of those categories

[petros]

12 hours ago, Wretched & Divine said:

It aggravates me that we are getting this "you must respect it" rhetoric that we so often hear from conservative Christians whose beliefs and religion directly impact on millions of peoples' lives every single day. No, there is not one single person who has to respect that Donald Trump has been elected by the people because guess what? Adolf Hitler was elected by the people, too. This is not a "hur hur, Trump supporters are Nazis" argument, but a mere comparison to support a point in case that isn't clear. I respect democracy just as I respect peoples' right to believe in a flying green pig if they want to, but that doesn't mean anyone is required to like or respect the outcome of it. If you voted for a known Islamophobe, racist, sexist, misogynistic failed businessman who has proudly declared Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers, that pregnancy is an inconvenience and women are dogs, then that was your right and I respect your rights even if you don't respect mine. But respecting the outcome? Fuck that.

I'm sorry but to me that's the immature way of seeing this. To be the better man you have to respect that people voted for something you believe is wrong and if you think that it's so wrong try to educate your people into not believing the same wrong things in the future. It's not the majority of people's fault the world has become what it has become. People are scared and when people are scared are going into extreme measures. I'm not saying the extreme measures are right but it's logical. That happens in my country too with the neo nazis having a say in our parliament. I never support those people but I understand that those who voted for them aren't guilty fascists by majority but scared people that these desperate times we live as a nation made them to go and vote for these pieces of shit. Now you see my point? Or still? A big majority of americans suck and we should burn them alive, call them fascists and spit on their graves?

Look at Mark Hoppus' reaction to this election. Now tell me which seems right? This one or Billie's?

 

[DeJennsitized]

^ Mark's comment (which is to his son) doesn't counter Billie's comments though. You think Billie Joe doesn't want to take his anger and use it for good? That's not what I'm getting. Billie is angry still, and is allowed to express that however the fuck he wants.

By the way, taking every comment agreeing with Billie and turning it into 'close minded sheep following your idol' is a really cheap way of shutting someone's opinion down.

This 'the majority decided!' is also bullshit? Hillary won the popular vote. And I literally can't believe someone tried to deny Trump's racism/sexism/homophobia - Have you ever heard him speak, like at all?

[laurie_black]

6 hours ago, petros said:

I'm sorry but to me that's the immature way of seeing this. To be the better man you have to respect that people voted for something you believe is wrong and if you think that it's so wrong try to educate your people into not believing the same wrong things in the future. It's not the majority of people's fault the world has become what it has become. People are scared and when people are scared are going into extreme measures. I'm not saying the extreme measures are right but it's logical. That happens in my country too with the neo nazis having a say in our parliament. I never support those people but I understand that those who voted for them aren't guilty fascists by majority but scared people that these desperate times we live as a nation made them to go and vote for these pieces of shit. Now you see my point? Or still? A big majority of americans suck and we should burn them alive, call them fascists and spit on their graves?

Look at Mark Hoppus' reaction to this election. Now tell me which seems right? 

I don't get your argument at all. Billie has expressed understanding for Trump voters in various interviews explaining how he thought Trump used people's fears to his ends.  Nowhere has he  insulted Trump voters in general or said those things you're making up (of course, Trump's voters are guilty of voting for him, where is the insult in that?) . Maybe you should read some of his Instagram posts from last night instead of singling out one line from an interview that was translated back and forth between English and French and reading all sort of stuff into that.

By the way, I have the impression Mark's and  Billie's reactions on Instagram were quite similar?

[petros]

1 hour ago, laurie_black said:

I don't get your argument at all. Billie has expressed understanding for Trump voters in various interviews explaining how he thought Trump used people's fears to his ends.  Nowhere has he  insulted Trump voters in general or said those things you're making up (of course, Trump's voters are guilty of voting for him, where is the insult in that?) . Maybe you should read some of his Instagram posts from last night instead of singling out one line from an interview that was translated back and forth between English and French and reading all sort of stuff into that.

By the way, I have the impression Mark's and  Billie's reactions on Instagram were quite similar?

Exactly he did that and I liked that approach. I just judged what he said in this interview after Trump was elected. 

Not that reaction from Mark and Billie's reaction which I thought was the first interview after Trump was elected aren't similar.

[laurie_black]

35 minutes ago, petros said:

Exactly he did that and I liked that approach. I just judged what he said in this interview after Trump was elected. 

Not that reaction from Mark and Billie's reaction which I thought was the first interview after Trump was elected aren't similar.

E. g. you can watch that interview with Konbini (there is a thread for that somewhere around here, too) that showed up at around the same time as this one, I really don't know which came first, but it must have been on the same day. It even starts in the same way, with how he woke up and had 50 text messages instead of 4. My point is in that interview you can hear what he said in his own words and he very eloquently and reasonably explained his opinions. I especially liked how he put it when he said that Trump grew this monster called white supremacy and did not actually call Trump the monster or any person in particular. After I had watched that interview last thing in the evening I went to bed immensely proud being a fan of this band. And if you read his instagram posts, they are all about standing together in these difficult times and not letting hatred and fascism win.

To a girl who asked if he did not want Trump voters like herself at his shows, he replied in the comments offering her tickets and backstage passes. So there is that.

[petros]

8 minutes ago, laurie_black said:

E. g. you can watch that interview with Konbini (there is a thread for that somewhere around here, too) that showed up at around the same time as this one, I really don't know which came first, but it must have been on the same day. It even starts in the same way, with how he woke up and had 50 text messages instead of 4. My point is in that interview you can hear what he said in his own words and he very eloquently and reasonably explained his opinions. I especially liked how he put it when he said that Trump grew this monster called white supremacy and did not actually call Trump the monster or any person in particular. After I had watched that interview last thing in the evening I went to bed immensely proud being a fan of this band. And if you read his instagram posts, they are all about standing together in these difficult times and not letting hatred and fascism win.

To a girl who asked if he did not want Trump voters like herself at his shows, he replied in the comments offering her tickets and backstage passes. So there is that.

Yeah I hope that's his actual approach to the issue and as I said before I don't care about him insulting trump right now. What I've been saying for so many posts is that in that interview on this thread called about 60 million american fascists or guilty. That's what I've been trying to tell and everyone keeps shoving in my face how bad Trump is and how wrong he is. And I get that. I'm just trying to say you can't have that approach about 60 million people. That they are all fascists or guilty which is exactly what he said. But why do I still bother no one cares to listen to what I said because billie is always right. I'm sure if I had the same conversation with him he would understand and actually say he doesn't really think that 60 million of people are guilty or fascists. Anyway lets all move on I guess.

[Christian's Inferno!]

3 minutes ago, petros said:

Yeah I hope that's his actual approach to the issue and as I said before I don't care about him insulting trump right now. What I've been saying for so many posts is that in that interview on this thread called about 60 million american fascists or guilty. That's what I've been trying to tell and everyone keeps shoving in my face how bad Trump is and how wrong he is. And I get that. I'm just trying to say you can't have that approach about 60 million people. That they are all fascists or guilty which is exactly what he said. But why do I still bother no one cares to listen to what I said because billie is always right. I'm sure if I had the same conversation with him he would understand and actually say he doesn't really think that 60 million of people are guilty or fascists. Anyway lets all move on I guess.

I don't understand how him saying they're guilty is an insult. Because they are. They are guilty of giving Trump the power. Maybe responsible is a better word, but that's true. He's not saying that all Trump voters are fascists but they are guilty/responsible for giving Trump the presidency. That's just a fact. So I don't see that as him insulting Trump voters

[petros]

Just now, MysticManiac said:

I don't understand how him saying they're guilty is an insult. Because they are. They are guilty of giving Trump the power. Maybe responsible is a better word, but that's true. He's not saying that all Trump voters are fascists but they are guilty/responsible for giving Trump the presidency. That's just a fact. So I don't see that as him insulting Trump voters

I can't keep doing that in this thread man. People get triggered and don't care to comment on my points only say emotional stuff to win rep from other green day fans. If you really wanna see my point of view and maybe have a genuine conversation about the matter and are open minded enough to actually hear another's person opinion and take it to consideration PM me.  Maybe you will change my mind who knows. I'm open to that unlike most people here. I'm done in this thread it's the longest posts I've ever made in here in a while and as I see it it's almost for nothing. Apart for some people that actually agree with me and pmed me but didn't care enough to post in a thread full of triggered fanboys and fangirls nobody wants to understand that blaming 60 million people like that is not the right approach for a society that needs to stay united and not go against each other.

[laurie_black]

10 minutes ago, petros said:

Yeah I hope that's his actual approach to the issue and as I said before I don't care about him insulting trump right now. What I've been saying for so many posts is that in that interview on this thread called about 60 million american fascists or guilty. That's what I've been trying to tell and everyone keeps shoving in my face how bad Trump is and how wrong he is. And I get that. I'm just trying to say you can't have that approach about 60 million people. That they are all fascists or guilty which is exactly what he said. But why do I still bother no one cares to listen to what I said because billie is always right. I'm sure if I had the same conversation with him he would understand and actually say he doesn't really think that 60 million of people are guilty or fascists. Anyway lets all move on I guess.

Actually, that's exactly what he said in this facebook live event mere minutes ago.

[petros]

Just now, laurie_black said:

Actually, that's exactly what he said in this facebook live event mere minutes ago.

What did he say?

[Hermione]

14 minutes ago, petros said:

Yeah I hope that's his actual approach to the issue and as I said before I don't care about him insulting trump right now. What I've been saying for so many posts is that in that interview on this thread called about 60 million american fascists or guilty. That's what I've been trying to tell and everyone keeps shoving in my face how bad Trump is and how wrong he is. And I get that. I'm just trying to say you can't have that approach about 60 million people. That they are all fascists or guilty which is exactly what he said. But why do I still bother no one cares to listen to what I said because billie is always right. I'm sure if I had the same conversation with him he would understand and actually say he doesn't really think that 60 million of people are guilty or fascists. Anyway lets all move on I guess.

Why does it matter if it's 60 million people so much? A number of them are fascists/agree with Trump's fascist stances, so deserve to be called fascists, and the rest are guilty of bringing Trump to power which he sees as a bad thing. I don't see what's so outrageous about it. He doesn't have to pretend to like everyone or like everything that everyone does. I guess we won't agree though lol.

[laurie_black]

5 minutes ago, petros said:

What did he say?

He said that he thinks that most Trump voters are not racists, but desensitized by that racist rhetoric. 

[petros]

17 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Why does it matter if it's 60 million people so much? A number of them are fascists/agree with Trump's fascist stances, so deserve to be called fascists, and the rest are guilty of bringing Trump to power which he sees as a bad thing. I don't see what's so outrageous about it. He doesn't have to pretend to like everyone or like everything that everyone does. I guess we won't agree though lol.

8 hours ago, petros said:

To be the better man you have to respect that people voted for something you believe is wrong and if you think that it's so wrong try to educate your people into not believing the same wrong things in the future. It's not the majority of people's fault the world has become what it has become. People are scared and when people are scared are going into extreme measures. I'm not saying the extreme measures are right but it's logical. That happens in my country too with the neo nazis having a say in our parliament. I never support those people but I understand that those who voted for them aren't guilty fascists by majority but scared people that these desperate times we live as a nation made them to go and vote for these pieces of shit

America as a nation needs to stay united. It's a country. This is 2016 we don't go to the streets and start beating each other up if our opinions are different. So at the same time we don't consider these people guilty or fascists. Yeah of course some of them were fascists but in 60 million people I don't think even 1 million of them are really fascists. So were dealing with at least 59 million people here that you must not approach them as guilty for the shit our country is supposed to face. It's 59 million people that for maybe the wrong reasons have turned into someone that promotes homophobia, racism, sexism and everything else bad you guys have been telling me about. You have to understand why these people are scared and as I said try to get some sense back into them. Make them understand that promoting homophobia and all that is wrong. Just saying they are guilty is the easy approach but there is so much deep into it in our fucked up society that made these people say yes to sexism or racism. So instead of accusing these people maybe you need to show that you understand and respect these people but they need to understand that what they did was wrong too.

Billie Joe of course isn't a politician and neither anyone of us here. But if you make a serious comment about the voters and want to be taken seriously you can't just go and say "60 million people voted for him? Ahh yeah fuck them they are fascists or guilty for what we the educated ones will have to face"

I really don't know what else to say. I think I perfectly described what I've been trying to say with all these posts now I hope some of you at least understand me now  

[DeJennsitized]

37 minutes ago, petros said:

I can't keep doing that in this thread man. People get triggered and don't care to comment on my points only say emotional stuff to win rep from other green day fans. If you really wanna see my point of view and maybe have a genuine conversation about the matter and are open minded enough to actually hear another's person opinion and take it to consideration PM me.  Maybe you will change my mind who knows. I'm open to that unlike most people here. I'm done in this thread it's the longest posts I've ever made in here in a while and as I see it it's almost for nothing. Apart for some people that actually agree with me and pmed me but didn't care enough to post in a thread full of triggered fanboys and fangirls nobody wants to understand that blaming 60 million people like that is not the right approach for a society that needs to stay united and not go against each other.

Can you not refer to people who agree with Billie as 'triggered fanboys and fangirls' who just want to win rep? Believe it or not some people are actually fearing for their lives under a Trump presidency and belitting people just because their views match Billie Joe's is kinda shitty. 

60 million people are guilty of electing a fascist into the white house. Sorry if that hurts their feelings, but I actually give less of a shit about that than I do about the minorities who are now in danger because a Trump win has validated the views of his supporters, in their minds. 

[petros]

Just now, Jenn. said:

Can you not refer to people who agree with Billie as 'triggered fanboys and fangirls' who just want to win rep? Believe it or not some people are actually fearing for their lives under a Trump presidency and belitting people just because their views match Billie Joe's is kinda shitty. 

60 million people are guilty of electing a fascist into the white house. Sorry if that hurts their feelings, but I actually give less of a shit about that than I do about the minorities who are now in danger because a Trump win has validated the views of his supporters, in their minds. 

Maybe try to read my last post and get back to me. I think I perfectly explain why imo it's wrong to use the world guilty.