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The release of American Idiot 20th Anniversary has spawned tons of new Cigarettes & Valentines speculation, and since it's (atleast to some of us) always is a very fun and interesting subject I feel it would be great to have a whole thread dedicated to it. That way people who think it's pointless nonsense can easily stay away from it, too. My gripe with Reddit and similar styled forums is that the discussion get so spread out and it's very hard to get a good overview what's been said in the matter. Also alot of interesting threads are archived and can therefore not be continued with new posts. To contribute, I can begin with includng a post I recently made in reponse to people still thinking End of the World would be "Roshambo" (The Network). Which is not what I personally believe (in that case the "Edge of the World" part from Forever Now would more likely to me, but that's a entirely different discussion). But I added some additional thoughts beyond this. I'm also including the now "legendary" John Rocker B-side disc photo as it ended up being a vital part of the Cigarettes & Valentines legacy - so to speak. --- (my post in response to End of the World/Roshambo speculation:) I have lot of theories about songs myself, that many very openly have discarded (sometimes perhaps rightfully so, other times without reasonable basis) -- but this particular one I can't really understand why so many people would believe. Just take a look at the B-Side CD on the photo above. The date is clear, it's from july 2004. Roshambo was officially released almost a year (!) prior - 9 months to be exacty) as a The Network song. In september 2003. Since that was what they chose to do with the song, why would they send the supposed Green Day version of it for mastering nearly a year later? Does it seem likely at all it would be released anytime soon? While this is true, the only thing that contradicts my own reasoning here - is that "Lately (One More Year), which most of us believe is a further developed version of Just Another Year, is on this B-side compilation too. And yeah, obviously that part actually made it to the final American Idiot album, as an intro for Homecoming. But perhaps they saw that as a different thing and would've been willing to release it as such, down the line. But then, at the other hand - if that song made it unto this B-side disc, why not Lowlife or Everyone's Breaking Down? Then one could also begin to wonder... Is this photo even legit or just some trolling by John Roecker, backed up by his friend in the band? Isn't it suspicious that he soon after deleted it? He knows Green Day, wouldn't he ask them beforehand for their approval? If so, we'd obviously have to reconsider everything we've seen here... Rock Against Bush Vol 2, which Favorite Son is on, was released just a few weeks after that date on the John Roecker photo. Doesn't that seem a bit... tight, time wise? Did they wait for Green Day to deliver the very last song that was supposed to be on the record, and then started to print it? As I said - it sounds very tight, doesn't it? (unless it's a different master, there'a specific guy mentioned in the Rock Against Bush Vol 02 CD credits shared on discogs. perhaps he mastered the whole compilation, obviously that's usually the case. But is there any audible difference between the version on that album and the one on Japanese American Idiot/21 Guns single?) It's perhaps even a little bit weird that it says "Japanese Bonus" on it too. Why would that be of any importance for the masterer? To make it sound closer to the other American Songs? Well, perhaps. But yeah, I don't know exactly what to think of it all. -- With that out of the way - let your Cigarettes & Valentines findings, insights and pure speculation go wild! Obviously theories that's serious, well thought out and actually makes sense especially appreciated.