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Agreed and I find it really ironic that at a time when everyone (ok, many people) are trying to be open and accepting of everyone else and their lifestyles etc, we are so busy labelling people. Are you Gen Z or X, is this dad rock, etc. As I have got older I cannot believe how quick people are to look at me and make lots of assumptions, it really pisses me off.

Can we please let the term "dad rock" die? I don't care how It's used, the term is so fucking cynical and dismissive of a song's quality. Much like "mumble rap".

Never forget: UNCUT gave American Idiot a 3/10

We haven't even heard the song Father to a Son. Do we even know it's a ballad? The review doesn't mention it as a balld, just as acoustic dad-rock Idk why you're so angry all the time. Every time I see you comment here you're complaining about something or calling other artists shit

Listened to Black Night by Deep Purple and been watching that really fun video by P!nk. Any artist that has a color themed name can use this riff in any way they like, that is the natural order of things. I'm gonna find more.....the Black Crowes? Blue October? White Stripes? I bet White Stripes have used it.

Loved this! Such a good interview.

I think you guys all forget that 90 percent of music critics don't really have any musical education nor are musicians. Just like any music fan, they listen to a lot of different music and have an opinion. But what does that mean? Therefore it's a really weird situation where a musical artist or a band needs good reviews, but at the same time those are given by mostly incompetent people. The same thing is where an average listener can't really perceive music in its entirety in contrast to someone who plays and actually understands music, but at the same time, an artist is making music exactly for those same people (apart for themselves and their passion and love for music). I never cared what any critic had to say about music, because ultimately, I am the best critic for my own taste in music, and so is every other person for theirs. Music critics are only here for the business part of the industry, and it will always be like that.

It’s ageist

Agreed, the term is basically used for every rock band over 40 by now, which is honestly just dumb. As if musicians of a certain age can’t make good music anymore. Every generation has its heroes and music keeps changing all the time but songs aren’t bad or boring just because middle-aged men like them. People call bands like the Beatles or Pink Floyd das rock and act as if these bands didn’t have a massive cultural impact. Just let people enjoy their favorite artists without shaming them for it.

The guy who wrote this probably thinks maroon 5 are great

It's not laziness. I write reviews for various publications and it's all about hitting that deadline. If you're lucky you get the album a few weeks in advance to make your deadline. Sometimes it's only a few days. They want to get these reviews out ideally before the album drops because the week after it comes out they're already moving on to the next thing. It's all about timing, which honestly sucks the fun out of reviews.

UNCUT (music magazine, UK) GREEN DAY, “Saviors” REPRISE 7/10 Ageless punks still letting it rip on 14th studio album Three decades after Green Day's breakthrough LP Dookie and 20 years after the trio upped the ante with the thematic tableau American Idiot, these pop-punk progenitors get back to basics on Saviors. Reconvening with Rob Cavallo, who co-produced their signature records, they unleash 15 compact, primarily pro forma bangers. Along the way, they revel in Billie Joe Armstrong's wry brand of political satire ("The American Dream Is Killing Me", "Strange Days Are Here To Stay"), gleeful self-mockery (*Look Ma, No Brains!" "Dilemma") and nostalgia (1981, "Corvette Summer) before climaxing with the anthemic lullaby "Father To A Son" and the Revolver-esque title track. Green Day's motor, as always, is Tré Cool, who attacks his drumkit with vintage-punk fury and Bonzo-level force. ———————————————————— ROLLING STONE GREEN DAY'S GROWN-UP PUNK The band's 14th album has huge songs and snotty satire for a world on fire By Kory Grow MORE THAN three decades ago, Green Days Billie toe Armstrong was sarcastically singing "Welcome to Paradise." Now at age 51, he's staidly singing, "Welcome to my problems," on "Dilemma," a plaintive, swinging rocker on Green Day's 14th LP, "Saviors,' which owes a debt to Fifties rock and the Ramones. "I was sober, now I'm drunk again," he wails in the chorus. "I'm in trouble and in love again/I don't want to be a dead man walking?" It's one of the album's best songs, and as another pop-punk trio once put it, well, I guess this is growing up. After all, "aging punk band" might be the most oxymoronic phrase in music. But Green Day, much like combat rockers the Clash, long ago figured out the path to mainstream salvation was leaning away from punk and into their big box influences while satirizing the world at large. That approach made the Bay Area trio punk's biggest-ever band, and it's Armstrong's alternating earnestness and sarcasm, combined with some typically hummable tunes, that makes Saviors' something of a return to form for Green Day, who drifted a little too far into pop territory on 2020's Father of All Motherfuckers. Since merry melodies have always been their forte, "1981" is particularly memorable with its chorus - "She's gonna bang her head like 1981" - even if Armstrong's lyrics about slam-dancing in acid rain read, like, totally gnarly. (Armstrong has always had a knack for fluffing up puerile lyrics with smart chord changes.) "Coma City" and "Corvette Summer" are both big rock songs for the sake of big rock. Armstrong's lyrics fall into three categories: songs about growing up ("Dilemma," the acoustic dad-rock ditty "Father to a Son"), silly songs about nothing ("One Eyed Bastard" is a Sopranos- esque goombah rocker that has refrains of "Bada-bing, bada-bing"), and, of course, heaps of social commentary. Some of it is amusing - the conservative satire "The American Dream Is Killing Me," the proud bisexuality of "Bobby Sox," a dig at "assholes in space" bankrupting the planet on "Coma City" But Armstrong misses his target on "Liv-ing in the '20s" when he sounds a little too blithe singing about the deadly 2021 King Soopers mass shooting in Colorado. Still, Green Day have always been less about actual activism and more about laughing while the world around them burns. That atti tude has made them survivors in the hazardous profession of punk rock, and they know it. "Everybody's famous, stupid, and conta-gious," they sing, sending up Nirvana on album closer "Fancy Sauce," "as we all die young someday." But what's impressive about 'Saviors' is how they've gotten (mostly) better with age.

True but they had plenty of time with the record. When you don't have as much time and need to meet a deadline there's a higher chance you just churn out generic mush that's not saying much.

A lot of people didn’t really “get” American Idiot at first, wasn’t really until BOBD that it started to become a monster. I remember the first month or so after its release it seemed like only a handful of people understood how great it was.

Especially because this will ultimately happen to every generation. Green Day was one of the biggest bands when I was a teenager and that was only 15 years ago. Now I’m almost 30 and people who are younger than me enjoy different stuff (not all of them, obviously, but a majority of them). But in 20 years from now, teenagers probably won’t listen to Taylor Swift or The Weeknd anymore, not because these aren’t good musicians but because they’ll have their own idols. That’s just the way it goes.

It’s gonna sound pretty shitty though over a record store sound system in a crowded room. That’s kind of why I don’t want to be online that week and would rather wait

The “dad rock” comment is weird to me because there’s music people literally categorize as “dad rock,” as in something a dad would listen to (which is dumb), but this song is literally about being a dad, so who knows what the writer even meant by that lol.

I've only been to one in an alternative clothing store. It was for The Murderdolls. They just put on the album in the store while you shopped. They had a contest for some signed goodies and those who entered the store and mentioned they were there for the listening party got two free exclusive posters. I still have both of mine 🙂 they also held a discount for those who mentioned the Murderdolls at checkout.

OEB is growing on me as well, it has some of that East Jesus Nowhere energy although obviously not quite as masterfully crafted. The new mix is really great besides some slightly thin sounding BVs at times - really fun song to turn up loud on a great system, which I've really been missing since 21CB. Hats off to CLA (still not liking the mastering however although it is a little less noticable on this one)

Agreed, gleeful self-mockery is an odd way to describe it. It’s more complicated than that, it’s melancholic, almost desperate at times to me, but handled fairly lightly when you watch the video.

Thanks for posting this! It’s always nice to read positive reviews, even if there’s often quite a big discrepancy between professional critics and fans. But I really hope that this album gets a better reception than FOAM. Btw, calling Dilemma gleeful self-mockery sounds kind of wrong to me. Even if you aren’t aware of Billie‘s struggles with addiction, how is battling alcoholism funny? I get that the video is amusing and sad at the same time but I still think it’s a pretty serious song.

After a few listens , OEB is pretty good. 2nd fav so far after LMNB. Btw do you guys think the bonus track Fever will be the same as the snippet we've heard or are we getting Saviors version ??

stores will be streaming the album from a one time use digital stream (or at least that's how the store near me is doing)

All musician in western music have the same twelve semitones to work with. Of course there are similarities over the years. Ed Sheeran once said in an interview with Zane Lowe that songwriters don't sue other songwriters that often because they all know that. And maybe to be save Green Day sent the song to Pink to clear it and she said that's it okay.

Yeah it's not a different mix, just a different experience on vinyl Hence why vinyl is so popular now

For me it's just okay, BUT I know it's going to be fucking awesome to hear live.

Also dismissive and derogatory of fathers.

I think this is not the main RS review, they have both a main one giving stars (also published online), and then other journalists giving shorter reviews like this. I remember the same happened for FOAM and RevRad.

Did rolling stone stop doing away with giving stars in reviews?

Considering going to the one in Brisbane, if I can be bothered on the day

Billie and chris robinson preformed together at the cover ups show on new years

Kory grow has been there since 2014, not exactly rookie but the way he reviewed this was very amateur no credible music journalist should use the term "dad rock"

Ohh, I misread your past comment. I thought you meant "The guy who wrote this comment probably thinks Maroon 5 are great."

Not sure where you came to that conclusion. Moves Like Jagger is okay, but I don't care for them much otherwise. I say this more from the standpoint of a Gen Z guy who just hates that music in general has to be stigmatized. I highly respect the artists who made rap the phenomenon it is today, and keep it going strong to this day, and hate that boomers stigmatize it, etc.

Why can't we get a full track by track album review? These music journalists are lazy as fk! Anyone who describes an acoustic ballad as dad rock is a fkn tool!

It seems like each place is just doing their own thing. I see that some people that are going to other places just signed up and got a ticket right away. For Oslo you can sign up at three different sites for some reason and they will announce who got tickets next week. I don't understand why we got a listening party and no tour date though.

For the event in Oslo it says that they will collect your phone. I guess people will have to be more creative with recording it. 😅

God I fucking love how chunky the bass on this is. And I could listen to the ending over and over again.

I think it will be updated similar to what they did with one eyed bastard

Listened to this quite a few times now(didn’t listen to leak more than once or twice) and this is the first song where I’m really hearing what they’ve been saying about this album being influenced by all there other records. I’m hearing Misery, Youngblood, numerous angry, snarling Billie’s. Will need to listen more to get all the references but it’s very cool.

In New Zealand it has charted #25 on a top songs chart or something similar to that maybe this will start charting in other places now

An introvert’s dream 😊 Be alone together

I'm just gonna sit and be like fuck my life has changed so much since the last green day album

Maybe it's a very dumb question but when I read that Rob Cavallo, Chris Lord-Alge and Ted Jensen are reunited with Green Day, I thought that the production of Saviors would be just breathtaking, because 21st Century Breakdown and the Trilogy (yes, I love the production of the Trilogy) were already so good at that time. But although we have 10-15 years of technological progress and progress of all their skills between these two albums and Saviors, the songs on Saviors don't really sound better. I mean, they sound really good but I would still say that 21stCB is their best sounding album although it's almost 15 years old. So why is that? Is nowadays sound quality already so good that we don't hear improvement anymore on "regular" headphones and speakers?

Hopefully they really signed the cards and not printed on 😂

Who’s going to NL Delft? They shared the info on their FB page. Time is 18:00 till 20:30 and you have to register with the google form

A record mailer arrived at my house today and I was so excited. I thought somehow a copy of Saviors had arrived a couple of weeks early! Ripped it open and it was AP Magazine. Stlll cool but...

Audio CD is a digital format. It contains nothing but 1s and 0s. If you want to call it analog-digital for the reason that the original master tapes or whatever they used to record that album are analog format, then you should call MP3s, Spotify or almost any other contemporary medium of that album "analog-digital".

The music industry has never protected musicians with regards to substances, they’ve provided and encouraged it as part of the lifestyle and to endure the demands of touring etc. But I don’t know if I would call the Post Malone thing promotion, you have to give Billie some responsibility for his choices there. There’s no evidence he was “used” in any way. Personally I put greater responsibility on management and label for the use of cocaine imagery in their advertising.

So cute😍 https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz4rpAUOIJf/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=ODhhZWM5NmIwOQ==