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A smart thing Spotify does is put all the singles together in one playlist each time a single drops instead of as separate singles. So instead of just going on there and playing Dilemma by itself, it’s grouped with TADIKM and LMNB so you just play them all (and if you’re like me, you play them on repeat)

Here's a bit from the Visions magazine interview (translated from German) that's about Dilemma: Q: Songs like Dilemma sound more personal. Are you still processing your withdrawal from this? BJA: Yes, because abstinence is like a big wave on the sea that you sometimes have to fight through. I'm not perfect, and I don't want to act like I joined a cult, but it's a special time in my life when it's good that I can take care of myself and not make myself sick. Q: You're somewhat questioning the concept of complete abstinence, aren't you? BJA: I don't know. The song is ambiguous. For many people, abstinence is the number one priority because if you relapse you can literally die. I'll put it this way: sometimes I take it seriously, and there are times when I kind of fall off and then try to find my way back - but usually I manage.

The song is now up to ~ 1,500.000 streams on Spotify a week after its release. TADIKM had slightly more streams (~1,7000.000) but I think that’s normal because it was the lead single. It looks like the fans haven’t lost interest after the first two singles, which is a good sign.

Maybe the album was ready but Billie wasn’t.

Had a dream that Billie was this huge 40ft zombie and dressed as Santa. He was stomping through the city with people running away and then his arms fell off

Mike X’d out 1972 in his story! https://www.instagram.com/stories/mikedirnt/3257964379563343914?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=ODhhZWM5NmIwOQ==

This is the only theory that makes sense. It was going to be called 1972 as it fits with the description that is given for the album, but because the album was delayed so much by various means and it wouldn't be their 50th birthdays or what have you, they decided to change it. Unless there is some other reason they decided to change it? Just thought Saviors would fit better? Maybe it is just as simple as that.

Green Day’s latest posts (re Dilemma) https://www.instagram.com/p/C02PVghO1c5/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== https://www.instagram.com/stories/greenday/3257989520287557469?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Bobby Sox sounds like Smash Mouth and N Sync had a baby, and that baby grew up on Bring Me the Horizon and Tim Mcgraw - and then made music completely unrelated to any of that. 😄

The band actually chooses to do this, and it’s very smart!

Yup entirely possible. I know Billie was back into drinking around the time of Foam but at that point it was a new thing that was happening. With the pandemic that probably evolved into an ugly scenario and then things open up with the tour a year later and who knows how that really went behind the scenes. I think the project evolved past what the initial thought or idea was and hence the name changed. I won’t say it’s exactly a C&V situation but they did take their time and chased down something more focused and cohesive.

It makes my heart happy to hear he's in a good place right now. Also I like how open and honest he's being about the whole thing. A far cry from his hell yeah let's party and get shit faced vibe on FOAM.

I also don’t remember seeing as many colored vinyl variants with FOAM or RevRad as they do now. I think they push more vinyl that way with all the “limited editions” they sell. It will be interesting to see if that makes any real difference

Agreed. For the casuals it gives a taste of the album. I am seeing so many positive responses online across several different channels. This has started off to be a great cycle for the band and I expect to see better numbers come January vs the release of Foam and Rev Rad. Am I pushing too hard expecting 100k units in the first week? We should atleast see 80k no?

I also like that the do this because then it seems like my listens of those singles will count toward my overall listening of the album once it comes out (not that it matters atm since Spotify skips December). A lot of times an artist will put the single out separately on Spotify and then that ends up as an outlier stat instead of being included with the rest of the album.

that's just the music video for Fancy Sauce

I expected the same thing but I thought this translation sounded pretty natural. It’s a good one

I have a love/hate relationship with translated interviews because I very much appreciate the access but also read them and am like, “This definitely isn’t how they said this” lol. But there’s some good info in the Visions interview!

Considering rehab was mentioned I assume that must have been a prime reason, the Dilemma teaser we have sounds basically finished and considering according to greenday.fm, the session ended Oct 2022 it's assumed that as well they waited an entire extra year because then having a zombie themed promotion would fit better in October. But yeah what you said is probably the highest candidate.

Green Day’s latest posts about this one https://www.instagram.com/p/C02PVghO1c5/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== https://www.instagram.com/stories/greenday/3257989520287557469?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

welcome back from coma, glad you make it through

I just hope it hits 1. FOAM only got to 4.

Market saturation & changing cultural tastes. People ARE interested in new music, it's just that it's is easier than ever to listen to and there's infinitely more of it than there ever has been. It's harder to cut through. When was the last time a rock band really broke through to become a huge global success? There's a reason all of the biggest bands in the world have been around for 20+ years. 1. What used to be called "alternative" music just isn't as popular amongst younger people as it once was, and 2. The younger people that are into these genres are able to find much more niche artists. I'd guess that major rock artists' listens (and by extension, popularity) are for the most part propped up by people who are 30+.

100k or even 80k is very unlikely imo. RevRad got 95k units (90k from album sales) but that was 7 years ago. Since that time, album sales have only got less over time. I'm honestly not expecting the album to do that much better than FOAMF in terms of first week sales (which got 48k units including 42k sales). Like I think 65k is probably the max I would be expecting tbh. Blink got 125k units but that's very rare for a rock band nowadays and really only happened because of the return of Tom and the success of those first 2 singles from the album, Edging and One More Time (whose success can also be attributed to the return of Tom). Paramore's most recent album got 64k units first week and Paramore is a band who's been more commercially successful than Green Day in recent times. After Laughter was a commercially successful album for them, not their biggest album ever but still successful. The lead single This Is Why reached no. 8 ln the Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart and a decent amount of spotify streams (75 million), as does the whole album (with every track at least above 11 million). Fall Out Boy's recent album also got 64k first week units with their first true rock album since before their hiatus. Foo Fighters' most recent album only got 62k album units and that seems to be a pretty acclaimed album by fans and critics. The only rock band still around that can still consistently get good first week numbers is Metallica and that's because they release 1 album like every 8 years. 72 seasons got 146k units first week I think it's going to end up being listened to more than TADIKM. Still Breathing wasn't the lead single and ended up being the more streamed track and I don't see TADIKM being a fan favourite track in the band's discography in the future tbh, at least not as much as Dilemma

Huh? How do you know how it sounds?

It wouldn’t surprise me if eventually it comes out Spotify even is reporting less streams for rock bands in general. But maybe after FOAM older fans just gave up listening to them. People seem to like it, but it doesn’t a lot of people have heard it at all. More promotion could help with that. There are some bands, some that aren’t that well known have released some of their better songs recently, but yet the listens just died pretty early on. Maybe it’s more just less people are interested in new music in general. Unless the music is produced perfectly or is more dynamically different/experimental, I think it’s difficult to get many listens. Stuff that’s very pop or at the very top of the charts is most likely pretty much all that popular cause of getting on playlists or by getting popular shows/movies or through being played out in public malls and other places for instance. The industry doesn’t want to learn that it needs more committed/passionate fans. When Taylor Swift is the most popular artist (while not terrible), you know something is wrong. Actually extremely talented artist/bands know they can make a living being more artistic and experimental without trying to be mega stars. It’s just not worth it anymore. There are artists who would be making a lot more money now if the industry operated like it did a long time ago. Some are pretty well off, but it’s difficult to be a mega star if you play rock music now. The industry pretty much doesn’t allow it.

Well not the entire thing. Letterbomb was a C&V song but yeah I get the idea. I think their initial concepts and ideas were most likely challenged by Rob. In the sense that Rob pushed to hear more songs such as TADIKM which probably would have been overlooked if this was self produced or produced by Butch.

Pretty sure the 21stcb leak was intentionnal

When the OEB demo leaked, did they not learn anything from when the 21CB demo leaked?

It's definitely not a C&V situation because that entire album was scrapped, and the original teasers featured clips of Look Ma No Brains, 1981, and Dilemma

I just read it on the discord. I can’t host photos here but there are scans if anyone else can copy and share them. Good interview. They did confirm that Billie and Tre both had Covid in London.

And they started teasing it as if release was imminent!!!

True but on the Angus credits Kevin Army is also listed as engineer if it was from Dookie Neil King would’ve been listed as engineer plus one of the soundtrack producers said GD was off tour and was working on an album and they did a quick recording but who knows not really a huge deal

Im on the mission. I miss times when Green day used to get tons of views. Kinda feels weird seeing how Dilemma still hasn't hit million views even though you can tell a lot of effort was put into making it.

Song has grown on me a lot too. Which is good news. It has a lot of replay value and stuff going on to notice.

For years it's been known that JAR was written around the Dookie years but based off the engineering team for JAR we know it recorded during the Insomniac sessions. They probably just chose to include it with Dookie because that's when it was originally written and the albums were recorded pretty close together anyway

Too bad it's censored- "sick boy and I shit the bed" is just so perfect for a Taco Bell ad

This article seems to refer to another interview. https://www.indonewyork.com/lifestyle/green-day-frontman-billie-joe-armstrong-that-s-why-he-liked-football-h101492.html

The Armstrong’s, If There Was Ever A Time came on my playlist and Billie sounds so good in that song. Not sure if it’s partly the contrast between Tim and him but his voice just rings. Much as I love growls Billie, I hope for a track that sounds like pure Billie.

If it's not from the FOAMF sessions then it certainly sounds like it is. For that reason it's a hard pass.

Here it is again for anyone who wants to hear how it sounds: