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I think as big fans, as much as we love them, it’s hard to kind of step back and assess just how popular they are from a mainstream, everyday listener perspective. Personally, I know I take for granted how dang cool they are and how remarkable it is that they had not one, but two separate waves of massive, world-takeover success a decade apart. That is more than most artists can claim. And among the rock bands that are active right now, Green Day is absolutely still one of the biggest and most well-liked. I always feel so proud to see how much people honestly just *like them.* Aside from conservatives who dislike them for their politics, people generally seem to have warm feelings toward this band because of nostalgia, because they can tell that they’re genuinely good guys, and because of how great they are live. Yes, there’s less interest in them now, but shortly after 21CB, the entire rock genre fell off the map and hasn’t recovered. That’s not on any one artist and is quite a hurdle to overcome, and I think it’s made even more difficult by the streaming discussion you’ve all been talking about — the art of the full album experience has been lost, and it’s now very overwhelming if you want to try getting into an established artist because their entire catalog is at your fingertips. My one hope is that young pop artists like Olivia Rodrigo, who are open about their rock influences and are incorporating it into their sound, will help bring it back into the mainstream. Because I don’t think it’s realistic that any older rock band will on their own without the help of a Gen Z push. I’m 30 and it’s very strange to think about how much music has changed since I first discovered Green Day with American Idiot. Back then, my parents played CDs every weekend from a really nice sound system we had. They’d always have rock albums playing in the car. And it was like that my entire childhood up until I was a teenager. Now they don’t even make CD players in cars anymore! 20 years is a long time, but it also isn’t. The rapid evolution of technology since AI came out really altered how we consume music and how music becomes popular.

I also think that buying the physical copy of an album or single was some sort of commitment. You actively had to go to the record store and spend money on a CD or vinyl. You only did that for artists you really cared about. Nowadays, the entire catalogue of a band is just one klick away. That’s super convenient but it can also be overwhelming. There’s too much to chose from. I sometimes feel like there’s so much music I’d like to listen to, but in the end, I end up listening to my favorite records over and over again. So I would say that sometimes less is actually more.

He is looking sooooo cute right now!

People shitting on AI isn't new. There were people at the time, who either didn't like the "new" sound/image, didn't like them speaking about politics/their positions, and this has continued. There's also people who just want to be contrarian. And like it's been said, rock just isn't the big thing now. I'd love for them to chart on the Billboard 100 again, but unless there's a shift, don't see it happening. As long as they keep doing well in the rock charts, I'm happy. It does concern me a bit that they went down in the hot rock/alternative/rock alternative charts this week, but they haven't really been promoting it this past week since they've been sick. Hopefully they'll start doing real interviews and going on talk shows and things will improve.

Hope we get some instrumental breakdowns on this record like Welcome to Paradise, ending of Blvd, and Too Dumb to Die.

My favourite Green Day song since Bang Bang. It's just got all the energy that a Green Day song should have.

Honestly, I've always just considered the Golden Age of Green Day to be Dookie-21CB but I might have to throw the trilogy in to that Golden Age. And ik a lot of people would really disagree with me there, I've always acknowledged how flawed the trilogy is but there are so many songs on there that are just straight up fire. It's not as consistent as the 94-09 stuff but a trilogy can't really be that consistent. I'm overall really happy with how the trilogy turned out and think it's the best thing they've done post-21CB. It's better than RevRad, it's better than Longshot, it's for sure better than FOAMF and the new Network album imo. I won't be surprised if I end up preferring the trilogy to Saviors, I hope that's not the case but I think the trilogy is genuinely pretty great Talking of people not listening to albums anymore, instead just popular songs. I can't stand the fact that people are hearing Longview without hearing Chump before it. Or Brain Stew without Jaded. And not even just songs that transition. But when I hear Basket Case on its own, I immediately expect to hear She. When I listen to Panic Song, I can just hear the bass intro to Stuart and the Ave.. Playlists and just picking and choosing songs can be great but I can't imagine not listening to albums. A 9/10 album is so much more impactful than a playlist full of 10/10 songs that don't connect to each other imo

We shouldn’t forget that these guys had an incredible run between Dookie and 21CBD. All of their albums, even those that were considered commercial failures at the time, sold millions of copies worldwide. Dookie and AI were obviously massive, but all of their other releases were successful too. And the songs from these albums are still very popular. They have a lot of monthly listeners on Spotify, more than most of their contemporaries, and they still have the ability to fill stadiums with their music. That tells me that they’re definitely not irrelevant or unpopular. It’s true that there’s less interest in their new material but that has nothing to do with the quality of the songs. It’s not like no one will listen to the new record. Even FOAM debuted at #1 in various countries. I obviously want the band to do well, but I also think we’re kind of spoiled. Additionally, I feel like they don’t even want to be the center of attention anymore. Billie isn’t like Dave Grohl who gives like 30 interviews a day. I mean look at the Foo Fighters, they even had their own horror movie last year. That’s just something that Green Day wouldn’t do, and I’m kind of happy about that. They don’t do collaborations, they don’t appear on TV that often and while I’d sometimes love to see more of them, I also understand this approach. They have nothing to prove anymore, why not take it easy?

Billie says he's part Canadian now. Said his son (Joey?) married a girl from Toronto.

I was listening to American dream on Spotify in the car there's alot of bass on tre's kick drum it really sounds good

So these appear to be from yesterday. They look fine which is good to see, in fact they look better than fine, Billie looks gorgeous and the eyeliner is on point! https://www.instagram.com/p/Czw5Pd1u_gW/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Obviously with streaming it's quick convenient, and you can create your own playlists and listen to them wherever you are. Could you say it's killing the listeners ability to fully know a band inside out. Maybe I'm old school, but going to record store picking up a 12" vinyl into the sound booth, headphones on, shut your eyes, fuck everything else, just listen. The excitement, the rush when I first heard Kerplunk and found my new love when I listened to PHGP just because of the name. Even CD singles, the last one was Bang, Bang, which as always with GD included live tracks, the latter you can't stream, it just ain't the same.

While I personally prefer RevRad over the trilogy, I can definitely understand why some fans think that the trilogy is better. It definitely deserves a critical reassessment because I think it didn’t deserve the hate it got from some critics and fans. While it’s officially three separate albums, I always saw the trilogy as one project, and if you take all three records into account, the good definitely outweighs the bad. I sometimes find it hard to look past some of the mediocre or even bad songs (and lyrics) and the overall sound of the production. But realistically speaking, you cannot expect 30+ perfect songs for a project like this. So while I think that the trilogy isn’t as good as their output between 94 und 09, it’s still an ambitious project that grew on me over the years. I think I almost exclusively listened to albums before Spotify became a thing. There’s definitely an appeal to creating your own playlists but it’s just not the same as listening to one of your favorite albums from front to back. I don’t know if an album like AI would have as big of an impact if it came out now. Probably not. The big hits would end up on playlists but songs like JOS or Homecoming would probably get killed by the Spotify algorithm.

I think this is the false image that airplay charts create. It’s a tactic achieved by record labels to get the songs heard, but it’s not enough on its own. The people then have to respond by buying and streaming it themselves in the millions to make an actual chart impact that matters. If the response is meh, the song slides down the airplay chart and that’s it. It’s possible it could take time to grow, and I agree some promotion on TV and elsewhere would help that.

Reading this as I'm eating Taco Bell...

Fun but disappointing. People need to stop asking them about old stories and ask about something new, like the new album maybe!

According to the Italian billboard article that leaked fancy sauce rides out with a pretty long instrumental

I remember those days, the joy of finding all sorts of music in the library (it’s where I found Dr Feelgood), record shops letting you hang out and listen and the rush of buying a new album… then CD. But, moving them all, particularly vinyl, was a nightmare and we moved regularly so CDs felt like a huge boon. I still like to buy physical copies, probably always will but I think there is a huge loss in streaming songs and not listening to a well crafted album.

Imagine if they put out 1981 as a single on New Year's Day? They can promote it by posting something clever like, "She's gonna bang her head like 2024!! Happy New Year everyone!!! Our new single, 1981 is out now!!!!!!!!!"

I feel this. At $10-15 for one record buying music was a decision and a risk. Often I ended up with albums in my collection where I liked a couple singles but the rest was crap. I tried to keep to a rule where I had to know at least three songs to make the purchase worth it if it was a new band or I only bought albums from certain “reliable” favorites. That’s where taping became really useful, we’d record our albums or mix tapes and share them to hear more without breaking the bank.

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Am I the only one who truly believes there's no deeper meaning behind "tiktok and taxes" at all? I think it's just a random line he once came up with that sounds good because of the "tick, tock, tack" sound, and he decided to use it for this song because it fits the overall theme.

I mean back in the early days of streaming where the most convenient way of hearing music online was through YouTube, I'd get why it'd be harder for people to listen to a band fully or listen through their albums in order. That's sort of how I listened to Green Day at first. I knew most of the songs off of American Idiot but most of the songs I heard after that I just discovered through listening to Green Day songs on YouTube, seeing new songs in the recommended section and I didn't know what album these songs were on when I heard them because they were mostly lyric videos. If anything, with streaming services like Spotify and Apple Music, it should be easier to know a band inside out since you have their entire discography in front of you. It also should be easier for you to listen to albums. I think people just don't want to. I think it's much easier for people to just listen to the top 10 for a band, save the songs they like and move onto the next band's top 10

You think Billie is in the Network?

Honestly, probably not. They just stream popular songs. TikTok attention spans are prevalent in a lot of spaces. It's like asking if people still read newspapers vs. consuming news on social media.

The 8 millionth retelling of the sleepy story. And I wish they had all answered the worst tattoo questions. It's one that I always wanted asked in an interview. But love seeing Billie happy.

It was interesting when he mentioned the album making process and then said “sometimes you think you’re inspired and you’re not…” The interviewers should have chased this comment down but I wonder if that’s what happened with FOAM

People who think American Idiot is just average clearly haven't heard it in a long time and are letting their current views of the band influence their opinion on it. Every time I listen to that record start to finish, I'm impressed by how amazing it is. It truly is a masterpiece, no matter what people say.

really? How do you know? That is unfortunately low for such great video. The part where Billie screams SAY and climbs on the car and plays solo is just EPIC

I think that "TikTok and taxes" fits very well because this part of the verse is written from a republican-conservative perspective. They hate immigation, tiktok and taxes. And the following part is sort of the answer from people who sleep in broken glass because the american dream didn't care for them. In addition the whole song reminds me about the line in JOS "in a land of make believe, that don't believe in me".

Saw it twice during SEC Nation this morning

He seemed to pop up out of nowhere (was that him in the background at the very start?) and not really have a chair. I thought Tre asked him if he wanted a chair and he said no he was fine. Loved the bit at the end where the guys says he was wondering who was under the table though, so maybe he was there all along, I remember Billie hiding at the beginning if a 21CBD interview I think.

I could for sure see Jesus of Suburbia and Homecoming being broken up into 10 tracks if it were released today. Would probably get much more streams as a whole even if less people end up listening to them. If they still sounded the same and transitioned into each other as they currently do, then it would still make for a great listen but it for sure hits better when they're taken as 2 long songs rather than 10 really short ones

We need a Green Day FM Radio in GTA VI

I'm convinced people who listen to the pure garbage on the mainstream radio charts eat their own poop and truly enjoy it

I really liked the overall relaxed conversational energy of the interviewers and the band in this one.

I don’t know how anyone can listen to American Idiot and not admit it’s an impressive album, even if the music isn’t your thing. Rewarding listen start to finish. Do people even listen to albums that way anymore? Maybe the fact that the singles were overplayed to death made people lose sight of how great these songs are.

Billie with his ADHD: “Yeah so anyway I was… is that a UFO?” (Crouches down and starts doing squats)

This doesn't surprise me. They're an old rock band in an era where only what's new in pop and hip hop really blow up. As long as they're comfortable being popular only among what is now a niche, I think it's okay. Kinda sad, but it's the reality right now.

The 3 who did the interview with them were more exciting and into the band than Amazon. They didn‘t do a bad job tbh. Sure they could have ask them about the upcoming album but like mentioned before we don‘t know when the interview was shot. For me a good interview is when the band enjoys the questions or the interview and they did. Sure we didn‘t learn anything but they made me feel good and was great to listen (except the landing UFO 😂).

Worth it just to see Billie doing squats 😜 But I wanted them all to answer the question about their worst tattoo. Finally a good question and they cut it. Tre’s answer was gold though

Ok that was disappointing 😑 Come on, they barely even mentioned the new album... Also i wanted to hear about Billie Joe and Mike´s worst tattoos instead of the Clash lol

and him playing around on the chair made me smile.

...at least Billie looks cute

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Weird to use the line “I ain’t got no brains” to sell your product

I'm sorry but "Billie loves his son" would absolutely not make it acceptable for Billie to publicly release a pro-Joey song at this point. Nobody is asking or expecting him to hate or disown his own son, he can fawn over Joey in private all he wants, but to publicly release a song praising him on the first GD album after the issue was revealed after not addressing or calling out his son's behaviour at all would not only be tone deaf but also downright insulting to Lydia and other victims of grooming/coercion/child abuse. It'd be a complete slap in the face to fans who have unfortunately had to experience something like that, especially since Billie/GD have presented themselves as supporters of women and victims their entire career. I'm really not expecting the song to be about Joey, mainly because I don't think anyone involved in this project would be dumb enough and/or outright cruel enough to let that happen, but on the off chance it does turn out to be, that will be me done with this band.

I watch music discussion on youtube for the same reason I come here. I love talkig music, and part of that, a huge part of meaningful conversation - is disagreement. Anthony isn't a fan of Green Day, he likes more avante gard stuff like Death Grips. And the narrative of Idiot? I'm definitely one of those people. I walk around thinking about it all the time. I can and do talk about it often. I won't ramble, but at it's simplest, it's a breakup album. At it's most complex, I could and very well might write a book, 😄 I started an American Idiot novel several times, but it never worked out. Especially now that I'm a ten-a-penny YouTuber. 😉 While I enjoy critisism of things I love, the never ending hate of certain albums does bum me out sometimes.