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I agree, but it's hard to see how Cavallo wasn't somewhat of a yes man during the trilogy too. Personally, I think everyone got a little too carried away after the huge success of american Idiot and relative success of 21CB and to be honest, I can totally understand why. Green Day were huge at the time, they even made it on to broadway for god's sake. But as a result, standards clearly slipped and Cavallo, although he could have and should have, did not put his foot down for the most obvious decision of them all, which was that the trilogy should never have been a trilogy in the first place. It's easy to see things in black and white terms looking back, but the trilogy, in truth, is neither particularly good nor bad. In my view, it had a lot of potential but also fell short of their previous work. I think both better production decisions (heavier and more raw guitar sound & fewer vocal filters, see Demolicious for what I mean) and cutting everything down to a single album would have made a HUGE difference. In the context of Saviors though (at least what we've heard so far) it seems having Cavallo back indeed leads to better and more complete song-writing, besides the obvious better production choices too. CLA mixing is the icing on the cake. I'm confident this is gonna be a great record, perhaps my favourite since 21CB.

I’m having some good radio vibes today. Just came back from the movies. Short ten minute drive. On the way there I listened to one station — they announced the Saviors tour and a ticket giveaway they’re doing this week. On the way back I listened to another station. Soon as I turned it on TADIKM played and then they announced the tour too. This thing is blanketing local radio stations

Spotify streams for TADIKM Day 1 - 248k Day 2 - 487k (+239k) Day 3 - 663k (+176k) Day 4 - 1,078k (+415k) Day 5 - 1,313k (+235k) Day 6 - 1,495k (+182k) Day 7 - 1,718k (+223k) Day 8 - 1,911k (+193k) Day 9 - 2,085k (+174k) Day 10 - 2,336k (+251k) Day 11 - 2,534k (+198k) Day 12 - 2,669k (+135k) Day 13 - 2,788k (+119k) Day 14 - 2,927k (+139k) Day 15 - 3,074k (+147k) Day 16 - 3,218k (+144k) Day 17 - 3,346k (+128k) Day 18 - 3,478k (+132k) Spotify streams for LMNB Day 1 - 137k Day 2 - 469k (+332k) Day 3 - 636k (+167k) Day 4 - 770k (+134k) Day 5 - 930k (+160k) Day 6 - 1,089k (+159k) Day 7 - 1,241k (+152k) Day 8 - 1,371k (+130k) Day 9 - 1,479k (+108k)

I think American Idiot was both a blessing and a curse for Green Day for a long time. It proved that they could evolve their sound into something grander, and that it would be incredibly well received. But then, once interviews about 21CB started rolling around, there was just this intense feeling of anxiety coming from them. I think it was less about feeling on top of the world and more about thinking, well shit, where do we go from here? How do we keep improving from American Idiot? First, they tried it with 21CB (which I personally love more than AI, but I don’t think came close to reaching the heights of AI to the general public). I think they kinda started driving themselves mad thinking about how they could keep doing more more more, to the point that it was unhealthy and the trilogy was born. They didn’t quit that mindset until they were literally forced to, and then they came back fresh with RevRad, an excellent album (I think, at least) that embraced their varied sounds and felt authentic. It finally wasn’t trying to prove anything or be anything it wasn’t. It was just a solid, honest album. I don’t think they were freed from the expectations set by American Idiot until that time. And while I’m sure they’d love to capture lightning in a bottle again, I don’t get the sense that they’re so deeply concerned about doing so as they were pre-RevRad. From what little we know of Saviors, I get the idea it will be similar to RevRad. The two singles, to me, already do a great job of incorporating two unique sounds that are different from one another but are both distinctly Green Day.

The Network album was a much more successful experimental effort than FOAM. With MM2020pt2 you don’t even need FOAM. Where I think FOAM might have been more successful with Rob or Vig isn’t necessarily with the production or sound itself, they still would have gotten the sound Billie wanted, but rather Rob or Vig would have pushed the guys to complete the songs, fill them out, add more parts, more lyrics, etc. Those guys have the ability to stand up to Billie and tell him the truth and make him better in the process. Without that you get FOAM. Walker was just a yes man.

As far as I'm concerned we have Crush Management to thank for the whole shitfest

Same here, getting quite a lot of radio play, talk about shows and tour. Feels pretty positive.

I really like the structure of the songs we've heard so far - nothing too crazy, but still interesting. TADIKM got this third verse after the solo that always gives me a "I'm not done yet"-feeling, perfectly accompanied by the lines about whitewashed-America and suicide in there. LMNB starts with two verses and only has two choruses in total, I don't know if I have ever heard such structure before. 1981 starts with the chorus, both verses differentiate from each other and has this short but noticeably different outro.

I agree. And as far as I’m concerned, they have every right to do this “effective touring“ if they don’t feel like playing 100+ shows per tour. However, I wish they would make sure that’s it’s also somewhat effective for the fans. We all know that Ticketmaster sucks and that prices are going up but I still believe that there are ways to make the tickets a little more affordable. Especially for a band like Green Day that always took pride in their working class background. While I’m not necessarily a fan of stadium tours, I think that the band should do what they’re most comfortable with. But right now, these shows just aren’t affordable for many fans, and that’s sad.

I have shared the two songs with my son who is 5 and my dad who is 62. They both like it, although my son can understand the words and my dad cannot. My son's been singing the title of "American Dream" and a whole bunch of lines from "Look Ma"..... hopefully he won't get himself in trouble with this, haha! He loves the terminal vertigo part - I did have to stop him from TRYING to give himself vertigo. Lots of vocabulary building with these tunes. Green Day, making Gen Alpha smarter, woo-hoo! I'M WITH STUPID AND I'M ALL BY MYSELF I'M SPECIAL AND I DON'T NEED YOU HELP DON'T PANIC, DON'T PANIC

While they’ll always do small secret shows, I think as they get older, if they could possibly fill stadiums, they’ll continue to do stadium shows because it allows them to play for more people with fewer shows per tour. I just don’t see them going back to 100 shows a year anymore

But I want to see my favorite baaaaaaand! 😭

You predicted right. https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/green-day-american-dream-is-killing-me-tops-rock-alternative-airplay-chart-1235469014/

I think billie was so out of his mind during uno dos tre era rob just wanted to get the albums done and move on. Foam bombed because the song writing and billie's vocals sound terrible his worst performance on record extending the songs wouldn't make them suck any less

Did all the articles/posts about the Italy press conference vanish?? Or am I crazy 😜

I dont think it changes the album being incomplete. Sure there are cool parts or concepts there but really no cohesiveness to the effort. It was just slapped together to support a big tour. Id rather have a cohesive 4 song ep than whatever foam was. Either way it led to the band focusing on this one and so far with Saviors I hear something that’s got potential to be a focused album. The difference between Warning and Foam is one is a successful experiment and the other is a failed experiment. They both give the band new ideas to work with going forward. Although, The Network album wasn’t all bad itself. Take the 1-2 good songs from foam and mix them with the better tracks of The Network’s new album and it’s a decent collection of new songs.

I do believe Green Day wanted to do stadium tours. I don't think that was Crush's decision. But I in no way believe Green Day wanted to tour with FOB and Weezer. That I think was entirely Crush. I mean they're all managed by Crush. I never believed the for a second when they said we always wanted to play with these guys. I will say at least the lineup makes more sense this tour even if I hate it.

Bouncing of the Wall is two verses followed by two choruses too. LMNB works much better though.

Some deep cuts with massive streaming numbers: Give Me Novacaine / She's a Rebel - 63.3 Million Last Night on Earth - 52 Million Are We the Waiting / St. Jimmy - 51.6 Million Burnout - 51 Million

Spotify streams for TADIKM Day 1 - 248k Day 2 - 487k (+239k) Day 3 - 663k (+176k) Day 4 - 1,078k (+415k) Day 5 - 1,313k (+235k) Day 6 - 1,495k (+182k) Day 7 - 1,718k (+223k) Day 8 - 1,911k (+193k) Day 9 - 2,085k (+174k) Day 10 - 2,336k (+251k) Day 11 - 2,534k (+198k) Day 12 - 2,669k (+135k) Day 13 - 2,788k (+119k) Day 14 - 2,927k (+139k) Day 15 - 3,074k (+147k) Day 16 - 3,218k (+144k) Day 17 - 3,346k (+128k) Day 18 - 3,478k (+132k) Spotify streams for LMNB Day 1 - 137k Day 2 - 469k (+332k) Day 3 - 636k (+167k) Day 4 - 770k (+134k) Day 5 - 930k (+160k) Day 6 - 1,089k (+159k) Day 7 - 1,241k (+152k) Day 8 - 1,371k (+130k) Day 9 - 1,479k (+108k)

Holy Toledo is a banger. The best song of the entire era. Here Comes The Shock is an embarrassment.

Fink can handle getting less than ONE MINUTE on stage. He'd make the most of it instead of whining. We ain't got time to listen to him do that. What's strange is that any of the Network people could be at Green Day shows and we'd never know it. I believe Fink and Van are male, but really we have no idea. Doesn't look like any of them are featured on Saviors which stinks. I hope they are all doing alright. I hear one of them recently got sick but is expected to bounce back quickly.

16 years from now, will we get an album where it's the Saviors cover with ketchup squirted on it? I hope so. Album 19's gonna by UGLY.

Just glad the guys seem passionate about their new music. Playing the new songs a lot and Billie even posted on IG an acoustic LMNB. They seem passionate and genuinely excited unlike FOAM or even RevRad.

I love reviews like this as teases. Reminds me of the a magazine in 2009 (can’t remember the name but I still have it somewhere) that did a listen to the first half of 21CB and wrote up descriptions. I remember buying that magazine issue just for that and getting hyped.

Honestly, even though I don't particularly dislike Fantano, I just can't take anything of what he says about Green Day seriously, because he's basically a caricature of a 35 year old Dookie fan. Even in this video, it's quite amazing to see him admitting that he hasn't revisited their discography for this tier list and is just going by his personal biases at the time. He talks about how many hidden gems there are in Kerplunk that are hindered by the production, and says that he usually likes low-fi production, but not on this one particularly, for no reason. Talks about how Dookie marked his childhood and how it felt like a breath of fresh air at the time, but doesn't even go deeper on the topics and lyrics, and how revolutionary they were at the time for the mainstream, like he just remembers them as catchy bangers. Then later shits on Insomniac for being basic, says the bass and guitar chords and drum beats are forgettable and the writing is bland, even though the exact opposite is usually said by purists (that's how you can really tell his age by this time). With Nimrod, he talks about it being great because it combined their catchiness with a more mature approach (which I totally agree). Then he calls Warning a step too far from pop-punk and almost a power-pop project, which by his standards is a Bad Thing. When we get to American Idiot, he talks about how during this year he was into underground punk, and by comparison, the album is politically shallow and gimmicky, completely overlooking how the political points are just a backdrop and how narratively Jesus of Suburbia is a reflection of aimless teenage rebellion, and by the end of the album he is called out as a loser without a cause in tracks like Letterbomb and Homecoming (again, you can tell his age by his comments in this record). 21CB comes in, and of course he absolutely hates it, because it doubles down on the "pretentiousness" and takes out all the fun "redeemable" aspects of the band. It gets reaaaaally funny when he talks about the Trilogy being a sort of "return to form" to what he expects of Green Day: catchy, silly tunes. I mean, I'm a huge trilogy apologist, but it says a lot of what he thinks of the band that he goes to bat for this particular project, and even goes as far as saying it should have a critical reassesment. Then it gets boring again with him complaining about RevRad being boring and FOAM being the worst thing that has ever happened to humanity since the atomic bomb, basically. So yeah, pretty predictable, not very insightful since he's only talking from what he remembers from each album, which is not a lot, and overall a low hanging fruit review of the band imo

I fixed my post. Pre-dookie stand out's include Going to Pasalblahblahblabarnhoppiewhatklsssdkdkdkddhfhgfhfhd48473hdh and At The Library. And I'm sure the song called "Green Day" gets a lot of plays because people are curious as to what it sounds like, haha. Something else that stands out to me in their streaming numbers is Rev Rad. That album is did some big business.

I had a very similar experience with my gf. She was still getting into Green Day back then, so it was very embarrassing to be all excited about new music and then turn on the TV to watch and hear THAT.

Idk where you're getting that 2000LYA is one of the most streamed. It only has 14 million streams on spotify. Yes, it's the most streamed on Kerplunk by far, largely due to its inclusion on God's Favorite Band, but the pre-Dookie albums don't do well in the streaming department.

That’s interesting to me! I would have guessed something like St Jimmy as being up there. Burnout and 2000LYA makes sense as they’re album openers. I’m also so pleased Burnout seems to be on the setlist because it’s one of my favourites.

Well Give Me Novacaine/She's A Rebel since they're combined. Whatsername is also up there with 62 million streams. Last Night on Earth started getting a lot more streams in the past year or so. It used to be around the same as East Jesus Nowhere in terms of streams

I agree with you here.

I know that but part of the reason I don't keep up with this stuff anymore is because it's 50% bullshit. As for management doing what the band wants! Obviously you're entitled to believe whatever you like but so am I

They literally said it in their interviews for the Hella Mega tour. They told Crush the one thing they hadn’t done yet was a stadium tour. That was what they asked for. Crush made it happen for them. Management does what the artist wants. They mentioned wanting to tour more effectively going forward. That’s what this looks like.

I'm sorry but I'm afraid we'll just have to disagree on that one

Got tickets the other day! Not sure who I am going to take with me. My son went with me last time. This will be my 10th Green Day concert.

Just noticed a couple others that were missing. Here are all the Billboard charts it's charted on- Alternative Airplay- 3 Mainstream Rock Airplay- 5 Rock and Alternative Airplay- 2 Adult Alternative Airplay- 34 Hot Rock Songs- 17 Hot Alternative Songs- 12 Canada Rock- 2 (which is up one from last week; others won't update til next week)

When I think of this Era, I always get this weird feeling about where the band was at during that time. I never really bought into the theories about them just trying to get out of their contract or whatever, but it felt like a big ole mid-life crisis. I especially thought it was weird how Billie's style changed (mainly wearing sunglasses during some indoor performances) and how he was ditching the guitar during some songs (Ex: Revolution Radio). None of it fully felt like GREEN DAY to me, and I think thats why I always have odd feelings about this album and era as a whole. I still listen to Oh Yeah and Graffitia from time to time, but thats about it for me.

He’s been sober again since the end of the Hella Mega Europe tour (August 2022) (The songs for Saviors would have been written during his five year off the wagon period from 2018-2022)

Maybe it's ironic egotism. Can we get all the lyrics already? Makes for better sing alongs at shows.

I don’t hate FOAM completely, but the fact that multiple songs have a viable claim for this award says a lot (Oh Yeah is unlistenable to me)

Father To Son seems like it’s a masterpiece

I mean, he was very open about the fact that he was drinking again during the FOAM era. In interviews he was basically like “I’m not sober anymore but I’m fine, let the good times roll!” He was also very drunk at a number of side project shows. I actually took a break from them during that time because it just seemed like things weren’t…great. But I’ve noticed in recent months that he appears to be sticking to non-alcoholic stuff and that makes me really happy. I know, he’s a grown man and I don’t know him and it’s his business, but I just really enjoy seeing him clear and sharp and healthy, and he seems like all those things right now. TL;DR I’m not surprised he’s talking about struggling with addiction on this album due to the vibes surrounding FOAM, but I’m also not presently worried about it because he seems to be doing well.

I got my tickets!

Im exremely happy because I have been able to buy 4 Tickets for the golden circle in Berlin 🙂 Usually I never succeed with Ticketmaster that site is just aweful. But this time I was redirected right away at 09:30 GMT and everything went smooth. Im so glad I did it because it will be my first Green Day concert after beeing a fan for 30 years. Unfortunatelly I missed them so many times. ...BUT NOT THIS TIME...

I miss epic and experimental Green Day, a la 2000-2009; incredible decade of music. Maybe Saviors will match that description but based on the four songs we've heard, with the exception of "The American Dream is Killing Me", I don't think that will be the case. Happy and hoping to be proven wrong!

Youtube is filled with cool green day archives

Just listened to Father of All in full to contrast it to Saviors (well, what we have so far). a few thoughts: 1) God, the production is abysmal. It's badly mixed, muffled vocals, all kinds of unnecessary bits and bobs, weird guitar tones etc. etc. There's so much wrong with it, it's hard to list everything. Listening to the two recent singles (TADIKM and LMNB) demonstrates just what a difference it makes to have Cavallo and CLA back on the team. Song-writing is one thing, but the difference in production is also just night and day. 2) Whilst most songs on the album make me physically nervous/twitchy and I sit there watching the clock in the hope that it will finally end and put me out of my misery, Graffitia is actually a really solid song. I remember thinking this back in 2020 and I still do. Really glad they played it in Vegas a few weeks ago, here's hoping it sees the light of day at other shows too

OH NO: He says nice things about Nimrod.....and wait.....actually says nice things about TRILOGY!!!!!!!!!! WOO HOO!!!!!!!! Wait, kind of a backhanded compliment. He'd rather them fail miserably over 36 songs than to try and preach to us on Rock Operas????......oooooooh. Hahahahahaha

I know why Raj left. He looks too much like Mike Dirnt and you can't have two guys that look alike, especially in a trio. All about looks, very sad. Raj, John and Sean should form a band called John's Green Day or Raj's Green Day, etc. But I bet they are all too busy in The Network, pretending to be Green Day pretending to be the Network! That's why Raj mentioned a missing album....